Vietnam's Su-27s mount first Spratly patrols from Phu Cat

[faithfulguy]

Oh man, with the range of 550km, it's enough to keep your cheap La Fayette class frigate away from SCS(east sea) elready.

We even have Radar to detect stealth air craft, so detecting your warships is just a piece of cake.

US never support you bcz US soliders don't wanna die in VN war again. China coward never dare to attack us if having No US-Russia's support.

Really, what kind of radar is that? Maybe you should sell that radar to the Russians and they need radar to detect stealth aircraft.

As for this shaddock missile, its a very old platform that has a very high trajectory with only Mach 0.9 speed. It would be target practice for any modern AA system.

Also, why do you call la Fayette class frigate cheap? Vietnam does not have anything close to it. You are an idiot.

China has never controlled the Spratly Islands. In 1988, she used force to invade few coral reefs in Spratlys from Vietnam.
About Taiwan, Taipei only began occupying an island in the archipelago since 1946, following Japan surrendered to Allies. In 1938, Japan invaded Spratlys islands from Vietnam.
Based on the power to require the territory of other countries is not consistent with the world today.

You need to study up on your history. Vietnam didn't exist in 1938. Also, read up on Potsdam declaration. ROC, the current government of Taiwan, was one of the big 3 in Potsdam and Cairo conference. Naturally, it would secure its core interest above everything else, which include Paracel and Spratly island groups.

 

[NiceGuy]

Really, what kind of radar is that? Maybe you should sell that radar to the Russians and they need radar to detect stealth aircraft.

Oh man, you don't even know what kind of this radar ??

Vostok D/E Mobile 2-Dimensional Metric Band Surveillance Radar




The KB Radar (Agat) Vostok D/E is an entirely new 2D VHF radar design, using a unique wideband "Kharchenko" square ring radiating element design, in a diamond lattice pattern (all images KB Radar).

Developed recently by Agat/KB Radar in Byelorussia, the Vostok is an intended replacement for the P-18 Spoon Rest series. It is a digital solid state design, operating in the VHF band. While detailed specifications have been disclosed, design details have not, especially in relation to the internal architecture of the design.

The manufacturer claims a detection range of ~40 nautical miles against the F-117A Nighthawk, or other types with similar VHF band RCS, in a jammed environment, and 190 nautical miles in an unjammed environment, with an overall 30 to 40% improvement in range performance against the Spoon Rest D/E. Two demonstrators were built and displayed at the Milex 2007 industry expo in Minsk.

A technical white paper and concurrent discussion paper reveal some interesting details, although not as much as has been disclosed on competing Russian designs like the Nebo SVU.

Taiwan simply has No chance to match with our arms force

 

[faithfulguy]

Oh man, you don't even know what kind of this radar ??

Taiwan simply has No chance to match with our arms force

So it worked against old 70s technology. But it would be useless against F-22 or F-35. Also, does this thing go on ships?

And your assertion is wrong. Taiwan is more than a match for Vietcong.

 

[NiceGuy]

So it worked against old 70s technology. But it would be useless against F-22 or F-35. Also, does this thing go on ships?

And your assertion is wrong. Taiwan is more than a match for Vietcong.

Hehe, then how about this one ??

Updated at: 9:19 AM, 06/04/2012
During the war in Yugoslavia is not prevention, Tamara (the previous generation of VERA) has contributed to detect and shoot down U.S. F-117 makes surprise.
(DVO) According to sources from the Ministry of Defence Czech Republic (Czech), in the recent visit to Vietnam by Defense Minister Vondra, the two sides discussed the provision of a passive monitoring system advanced VERA-E. To provide sufficient information to readers, Vietnamese Land has an article about passive surveillance system VERA-E which Vietnam can buy this.


VERA passive radar system (the Czech Republic known as Vera), or more accurately called passive monitoring system (PSS) VERA ERA Technical Company of the Czech Republic made. system allows measuring the difference time difference (TDOA) of the electromagnetic pulse emitted by the target to four stations on the ground sensors to detect and track objects emitting in the air, at sea and on land. Thereby calculations, determine the coordinates of the target distance, azimuth, elevation to link with the fire control system of missiles proceed to destroy targets, including all types of machines advanced stealth aircraft such as B-2, F-117 and even F-22, F-35, let alone to J-20. VERA works as a source of collecting independent information on every move activities, the movement of all airborne targets, sea and land to make the task of monitoring and support for the radar system of the Center for Monitoring the Czech Republic airspace.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...uper-radar-vietnam-can-buy.html#ixzz1yIzfQkgn

 

[Moazam Khan]

China has never controlled the Spratly Islands. In 1988, she used force to invade few coral reefs in Spratlys from Vietnam.
About Taiwan, Taipei only began occupying an island in the archipelago since 1946, following Japan surrendered to Allies. In 1938, Japan invaded Spratlys islands from Vietnam.
Based on the power to require the territory of other countries is not consistent with the world today.

In 1933, French claimed the Spartly Islands but it acknowledged the presence of Chinese fishermen there as well. However after the revolution of 1949 in China, she retreated from that Islands. Anyhow the area is disputed and should be resolved peacefully otherwise the big gun 'US' will come and nobody will get even its legitimate share

 

[NiceGuy]

In 1933, French claimed the Spartly Islands but it acknowledged the presence of Chinese fishermen there as well. However after the revolution of 1949 in China, she retreated from that Islands. Anyhow the area is disputed and should be resolved peacefully otherwise the big gun 'US' will come and nobody will get even its legitimate share

Don't worry , US won't have a chance to get involve . China's leaders are coward, they only think about themselves and their own families , China army doesn't know how to fight without US-Russia's support. we will kick lonely China out of SCS(east sea) ,so conflict in SCS(east sea)will be over and soon.

 

[NiceGuy]

From BBC Vietnam

TQ lên án máy bay VN tuần tiễu Trường Sa


Trung Quốc phản đối Việt Nam đưa máy bay chiến đấu ra tuần tiễu tại quần đảo Trường Sa, gọi đây là "xâm phạm nghiêm trọng chủ quyền".

Người phát ngôn của Bắc Kinh, Hồng Lỗi, nói tại cuộc họp báo ngày 19/6: "Máy bay chiến đấu của không quân Việt Nam tiến hành cái gọi là hành động 'tuần sát' tại quần đảo Nam Sa, đã xâm phạm nghiêm trọng chủ quyền của Trung Quốc."

"Trung Quốc bày tỏ bất bình mạnh mẽ về việc này. Trung Quốc yêu cầu Việt Nam thiết thực tuân thủ nhận thức chung Trung-Việt và tinh thần 'Tuyên bố về ứng xử của các bên ở Nam Hải'," ông Hồng Lỗi tuyên bố.
BBC Vietnamese - Viê?t Nam - TQ lên án máy bay VN tu?n ti?u Tr??ng Sa

Translate to English

China condemns VN aircraft patrolling Spratlys

Update: 21:29 GMT - Tuesday, 19 June 6, 2012

China opposes Vietnam fighters put out patrols in the Spratly Islands, calling it "seriously violated the sovereignty."
Beijing's spokesman, Hong Lei, said at a press conference on 19/6: "Combat aircraft of the Vietnamese air force carried out the action-called 'closely patrol' in the Nansha Islands, had violated serious Chinese sovereignty. "

"China expressed strong indignation about this. China Vietnam practical requirements to comply with the Sino-Vietnamese general awareness and spirituality 'Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South Sea'," Hong Lei said.

China: I'm so angry with you now, VietNam !!!! >"<.
VietNam: Oh, really, so what else can you do except tons of vebar warning ?? do your army knows how to fight without Russia-US's support ??
China: ............

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

You need to study up on your history. Vietnam didn't exist in 1938. Also, read up on Potsdam declaration. ROC, the current government of Taiwan, was one of the big 3 in Potsdam and Cairo conference. Naturally, it would secure its core interest above everything else, which include Paracel and Spratly island groups.

Why can you stupid statement like so?
I tired to explain repeated this problem with you. Rereading what I have explained in the following topics:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/177996-taiwan-no-tie-up-china-disputed-sea.html

History of Vietnam:

The history of Vietnam is one of the longest continuous histories in the world, with the oldest archaeological findings showing that people have been living there as far back as over a half million years ago.[1] Ancient Vietnam was home to some of the world's earliest civilizations, with a cultural history of over 20,000 years - making them one of the world's first peoples who practiced agriculture.[2][3] The Red River valley forms a natural geographic and economic unit, bounded to the north and west by mountains and jungles, to the east by the sea and to the south by the Red River Delta. The needs to have a single authority to prevent floods of the Red River, cooperation in constructing hydraulic systems, trade exchange, and fight against invaders, led to the creation of the first Vietnamese states in 2879 BC.[4] The first truly influential part of history in Vietnam occurred during the Bronze Age, when the &#272;ông S&#417;n culture was in Vietnam, dramatically advancing their level of civilization. Vietnam's peculiar geography made it a difficult country to attack, which is why Vietnam under Hùng V&#432;&#417;ng was for so long an independent and self-contained state. The Âns and Qins were among the earliest foreign aggressions of Vietnam, but the ancient Vietnamese regained control of their country soon after their invasions.

Vietnam Navy:

In Lý-Tr&#7847;n Dynasty era, the problems of construction the naval base, set up the naval forces were in place. Specially, the Van Don port has an important role to protect the northeast sea of Vietnam. In 1077, the Vietnamese Navy fought the Battle of C&#7847;u River against the Chinese Song Dynasty forces. This was the final battle China's Song Dynasty would fight on Vietnamese land or waters. The battle lasted for several months, and ended with the victory of the Vietnamese Navy and the loss of many Song's (Chinese) sailors. This victory demonstrated the successful tactics of war and active defense of the famous Admiral Lý Th&#432;&#7901;ng Ki&#7879;t who faced a naval force several times larger than his own.[2] The Song Dynasty lost a total of 80,000 soldiers/sailors and 5,19 million ounces of gold, including all costs of the war.[3]
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One of the greatest victories in Vietnamese Naval history was the Battle of R&#7841;ch G&#7847;m-Xoài Mút in Tay Son dynasty, during which Nguy&#7877;n Hu&#7879; (Emperor Quang Trung) defeated the Siamese (Thai) naval force. The battle occurred in present-day Ti&#7873;n Giang Province on January 19, 1785. Nguy&#7877;n Hu&#7879;'s forces completely destroyed over 50,000 Siamese sailors and 300 warships.[6]

 

[Moazam Khan]

Don't worry , US won't have a chance to get involve . China's leaders are coward, they only think about themselves and their own families , China army doesn't know how to fight without US-Russia's support. we will kick lonely China out of SCS(east sea) ,so conflict in SCS(east sea)will be over and soon.

ok then what about 1979 Sino-Veitnamese war when Russia was on Vietnam's side but due to China's pressure she couldnot help Vietnamese.

 

[EastSea]

Islands belong to Vietnam from long time in the past, it is stating clearly in old map of Vietnam, we will take back all of them.

ok then what about 1979 Sino-Veitnamese war when Russia was on Vietnam's side but due to China's pressure she couldnot help Vietnamese.

1979, only Viet army is enough to stop idiot chinese.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

In 1933, French claimed the Spartly Islands but it acknowledged the presence of Chinese fishermen there as well. However after the revolution of 1949 in China, she retreated from that Islands. Anyhow the area is disputed and should be resolved peacefully otherwise the big gun 'US' will come and nobody will get even its legitimate share

France is not the first control the Spratlys and Paracels. Vietnam feudal state has managed the two islands from the 15th century. In 1857-1858 the French began to invade a part of Vietnam. By 1887 the French invaded all Vietnam, including two islands, VN became a French colony. So France on behalf of VN control 2 islands until 1938, then in 1938 Japan invaded 2 islands from Vietnam, a French colony.
Therefore, Vietnam is the country's first and only legal have ownership Paracels and the Spratlys islands.
Of course, fishermen in the region are still common fishing in South China Sea for thousands of years now.

ok then what about 1979 Sino-Veitnamese war when Russia was on Vietnam's side but due to China's pressure she couldnot help Vietnamese.

If you don't know anything, please find out through the independent documents on the internet. Don't turn yourself into a stupid lapdog of Chinese...

 

[faithfulguy]

France is not the first control the Spratlys and Paracels. Vietnam feudal state has managed the two islands from the 15th century. In 1857-1858 the French began to invade a part of Vietnam. By 1887 the French invaded all Vietnam, including two islands, VN became a French colony. So France on behalf of VN control 2 islands until 1938, then in 1938 Japan invaded 2 islands from Vietnam, a French colony.
Therefore, Vietnam is the country's first and only legal have ownership Paracels and the Spratlys islands.
Of course, fishermen in the region are still common fishing in South China Sea for thousands of years now.



If you don't know anything, please find out through the independent documents on the internet. Don't turn yourself into a stupid lapdog of Chinese...

If Japan invaded the 2 islands in 1938, then Japan must recognize those islands as Chinese islands as Japan was at war with China at the time but not with your former master, the French. Thanks for doing the research.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

If Japan invaded the 2 islands in 1938, then Japan must recognize those islands as Chinese islands as Japan was at war with China at the time but not with your former master, the French. Thanks for doing the research.

No, Japan invaded two islands of Vietnam and all Vietnam, and many other countries in Southeast Asia and Asia. Then she just surrendered after the US and Soviet defeat her. Remember that without the US and Soviet Union, China cannot defeat Japan.
After Japan surrendered to the Allies, the occupied territories by Japan to return to the previous national ownership.

 

[Moazam Khan]

France is not the first control the Spratlys and Paracels. Vietnam feudal state has managed the two islands from the 15th century. In 1857-1858 the French began to invade a part of Vietnam. By 1887 the French invaded all Vietnam, including two islands, VN became a French colony. So France on behalf of VN control 2 islands until 1938, then in 1938 Japan invaded 2 islands from Vietnam, a French colony.
All i am saying is that the area is disputed as China has also maps showing it her territory, So both adamant sides should find any diplomatic solution for this.
Therefore, Vietnam is the country's first and only legal have ownership Paracels and the Spratlys islands.
Of course, fishermen in the region are still common fishing in South China Sea for thousands of years now.



If you don't know anything, please find out through the independent documents on the internet. Don't turn yourself into a stupid lapdog of Chinese...

Well i think you are oblivious of some facts .. please read Sino-Vietnamese War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well i think you are oblivious of some facts .. please read Sino-Vietnamese War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All i am saying is that the area is disputed as China has also maps showing it her territory, So both adamant sides should find any diplomatic solution for this.

 

[EastSea]

Well i think you are oblivious of some facts .. please read Sino-Vietnamese War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


All i am saying is that the area is disputed as China has also maps showing it her territory, So both adamant sides should find any diplomatic solution for this.

Quing dynastry of China collaped in 1911, but Total Map of Quing Dynatrty didn't included such Islands belong to Vietnam.