Vietnam's Su-27s mount first Spratly patrols from Phu Cat

[ahfatzia]

Good job Vietnam, sky patrol for the Spratlys.

If we can get more closer military ties, maybe you can also use the Phil airstrip on Pag-asa island.

Once the affairs are settled, I'm sure the future when Spratlys becomes a zone of peace and friendship amongst multinationals will come true.

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By looking at the map around Pag-asa island area, it's pretty sure the next naval war involving 4 players, namely China, Taiwan, Vietnam and Philippines, will occur here. The islands are too close together to sustain so much naval activities. Malaysia and Brunei will probably stay on the sideline watching.

If VN and PI join forces and take the initiatives now they might have a chance, however slight, to force China out of this area but the longer they wait the less chance they have. In 5 years any chance will be gone. Don't forget if there a war winner takes all in situation like this.

 

[Beast]

You China can't even free small Taiwan from US, so how could you help us to defeat US in South VN ??

US soliders never dare to venture into North Vietnam just bcz they're scared of nuclear war may happen if Soviet sent soem nuke warhead to VN. US even dare to rob your Taiwan so let alone your'protection' to North VN

Don't kid yourselves. Soviet nuke?? Haha.... Why Soviet risk a nuke war with US over a small Vietnam? They don't even bother to send troops to support you when in 1979 and 1988 Spratly island clash.

US is trying to avoid another Korea War disaster when mighty US scramble back to South Korea from North Korea after taking a beating from PVC forces.

Vietnam owes China. Everybody knows that. The food your dad and mother ate plus the weapon used during Vietnam war against Mighty American were supply by China. Chinese blood is inside you.

 

[NiceGuy]

Don't kid yourselves. Soviet nuke?? Haha.... Why Soviet risk a nuke war with US over a small Vietnam? They don't even bother to send troops to support you when in 1979 and 1988 Spratly island clash.

US is trying to avoid another Korea War disaster when mighty US scramble back to South Korea from North Korea after taking a beating from PVC forces.
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Dude, read again why US backed off from Korean war, they didn't care about your Chinese damn poor idiot soldiers, they just worry about nuke war may happen.

This direct Soviet participation is a casus belli that the UN Command deliberately overlooked, lest the war for the Korean peninsula expand, as the US initially feared, to include three communist countries—North Korea, the Soviet Union, and China—and so escalate to atomic warfare.[198]
Korean War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Vietnam owes China. Everybody knows that. The food your dad and mother ate plus the weapon used during Vietnam war against Mighty American were supply by China. Chinese blood is inside you

And you owe Communist block during Long march, Everybody knows that too.

 

[EastSea]

Don't kid yourselves. Soviet nuke?? Haha.... Why Soviet risk a nuke war with US over a small Vietnam? They don't even bother to send troops to support you when in 1979 and 1988 Spratly island clash.

US is trying to avoid another Korea War disaster when mighty US scramble back to South Korea from North Korea after taking a beating from PVC forces.

Vietnam owes China. Everybody knows that. The food your dad and mother ate plus the weapon used during Vietnam war against Mighty American were supply by China. Chinese blood is inside you.

Chinese blood inside of invasion 1979 with backed by US. Deng and Carter shaked hands in Washington to do that. Dirty aggressors you are.

 

[kalu_miah]

By looking at the map around Pag-asa island area, it's pretty sure the next naval war involving 4 players, namely China, Taiwan, Vietnam and Philippines, will occur here. The islands are too close together to sustain so much naval activities. Malaysia and Brunei will probably stay on the sideline watching.

If VN and PI join forces and take the initiatives now they might have a chance, however slight, to force China out of this area but the longer they wait the less chance they have. In 5 years any chance will be gone. Don't forget if there a war winner takes all in situation like this.

This idea makes sense, as China's ability is increasing sharply. The sooner the better for VN+PI.

What role do you think the US will play in this conflict?

So first VN+PI will try to remove China and then Taiwan from the area? or they go will for Taiwan first?

What about other ASEAN states, will they play any role?

 

[NiceGuy]

This idea makes sense, as China's ability is increasing sharply. The sooner the better for VN+PI.

What role do you think the US will play in this conflict?

So first VN+PI will try to remove China and then Taiwan from the area? or they go will for Taiwan first?

Yeah, we prefer to snack Itu-aba -a biggest isl in Spratly from Taiwan bcz she's small and powerless and that isl also is surrounded by PI+ VN's shoals, she can't do Nothing there without US's support.

pls check Itu-aba isl on this map

What about other ASEAN states, will they play any role?

Cambodia-Laos are VN's special friends, they will support VN+PI at all cost.

 

[ahfatzia]

This idea makes sense, as China's ability is increasing sharply. The sooner the better for VN+PI.

What role do you think the US will play in this conflict?

So first VN+PI will try to remove China and then Taiwan from the area? or they go will for Taiwan first?

What about other ASEAN states, will they play any role?

The US will not intervene in the territorial disputes on the behalf of VN and PI, especially if China is not the aggressor and China won't be one. All China has to do is to hold the present status quo and in a few years the SCS will be swarmed with Chinese warships, by then it'll to late for anyone, including the US (not worthwhile) to put up a fight.

For now the PI has no wherewithal to be the aggressor, so any offensive moves will be by VN's alone and she definitely will pick on Taiwan's Taiping Island. Unless VN makes a lightning sneak attack Taiwan will the survivor of the two with superior air capabilities. But the big problem is while VN is in a sea struggle with Taiwan, China will position her naval arsenals nearby to pick off VN's remaining ships one by one and as well as her SCS possessions.

The other ASEAN nations will stay neutral because they know well enough China's not the aggressor, despite the forummer here make her to be, and willing to work with anyone that's involved and frankly they probably trust and depend on China much more than VN.

China is willing to solve the Huangyan dispute with PI peacefully otherwise she could've blown the PI warship out of the water a few months ago. What's her plans for the 40 shoals that VN occupies is anyone's guess. My take is she'll leave them as dispute area and let the future generations to deal with them so VN should be so lucky and keep her netizens quiet. One never knows what happen if he keeps stepping on the tiger's tail, so to speak.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Dude, ingratitude is inherrent in Viets.
Even before the Vietnam war China backed the Viets in their decisive victory at Dien Bien Phu - the heavy artillery that smashed the French were captured by PVA soldiers from the USA and given to Vietnam. We gave them rice, guns, soldiers while we ourselves were poor. But it would be too much to ask the Viets for gratitude.

You need China help to defeat the mighty American. Ho Chin Minh trail to support supply from China into South and North Vietnam. It was the gurantee of China that US soliders never dare to venture into North Vietnam and Hanoi and they stay in South Vietnam only.

Thank you China!!!

1st, China supported Vietnam the wars against French and Americans, for the benefit of Chinese first. China wanted to push French and Americans far away from china's borders, to establish a safety area for the southern border of China, then China will encroach upon easily territory of Vietnam. Chinese government had declared famously: "China will fight against the American until the last Vietnamese"

2nd, China's support to Vietnam to fight the French and Americans, this doesn't support the greed claims of Chinese over the territory of Vietnam.
You shouldn't expect us to sacrifice VN's territory to repay the assistance of China.

3rd, let's look at Sino-Soviet relations: In1950s-1960s, Soviet Union helped China to set the foundation for the military industry of China. But then China attacked Soviet border in 1969. It is the "ingratitude", Isn't it?
If following logic of the chinese members, why didn't China cede the disputed territory to show gratitude to the Soviet Union?

On March 2, 1969, a group of Chinese troops ambushed Soviet border guards on Zhenbao Island. The Soviets suffered 59 dead, including a senior colonel, and 94 wounded. They retaliated on March 15 by bombarding Chinese troop concentrations on the Chinese bank of the Ussuri and by storming Zhenbao Island. The Soviets sent four then-secret T-62 tanks to attack the Chinese patrols on the island from the other side of the river. One of the leading tanks was hit and the tank commander was killed. On March 16, 1969, the Soviets entered the island to collect their dead, the Chinese held their fire. On March 17, 1969, the Soviets tried to recover the disabled tank, but their effort was repelled by the Chinese artillery. On March 21, the Soviets sent a demolition team attempting to destroy the tank. The Chinese opened fire and thwarted the Soviets. With the help of divers of the Chinese navy, the PLA pulled the T-62 tank onshore. The tank was later given to the Chinese Military Museum.
On March 15, 1969, the Chinese troops were repelled from Zhenbao Island (Damansky Island) with significant losses and did not return until September of that year, when Soviet border guards received the order to not open fire against them.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_border_conflict

 

[NiceGuy]

The other ASEAN nations will stay neutral because they know well enough China's not the aggressor, despite the forummer here make her to be, and willing to work with anyone that's involved and frankly they probably trust and depend on China much more than VN.

China is willing to solve the Huangyan dispute with PI peacefully otherwise she could've blown the PI warship out of the water a few months ago. What's her plans for the 40 shoals that VN occupies is anyone's guess. My take is she'll leave them as dispute area and let the future generations to deal with them so VN should be so lucky and keep her netizens quiet. One never knows what happen if he keeps stepping on the tiger's tail, so to speak.

Just bcz your're Chinese-Singaporean then you're bias toward China. China's claim in SCS(east sea) is ridiculous and unsubstantiated.
Here is our claim from Nguyen dynasty in 1838

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/u-s-de...ates-china-south-china-sea.html#ixzz1yU2NMsdm

And here is China map during Quing dynasty .People can't see Scarobours shoal or any isl from China map.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/u-s-de...ates-china-south-china-sea.html#ixzz1yU2SK339

Once day, China will say: Singapore belong to China just bcz the biggest ethnic is Chinese living there too

 

[ahfatzia]

@ Nice Guy?

I'm just stating my opinions and my analysis of the situations in SCS because some one asked me. I'll be respectful to your disagreements.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

The US will not intervene in the territorial disputes on the behalf of VN and PI, especially if China is not the aggressor and China won't be one. All China has to do is to hold the present status quo and in a few years the SCS will be swarmed with Chinese warships, by then it'll to late for anyone, including the US (not worthwhile) to put up a fight.

For now the PI has no wherewithal to be the aggressor, so any offensive moves will be by VN's alone and she definitely will pick on Taiwan's Taiping Island. Unless VN makes a lightning sneak attack Taiwan will the survivor of the two with superior air capabilities. But the big problem is while VN is in a sea struggle with Taiwan, China will position her naval arsenals nearby to pick off VN's remaining ships one by one and as well as her SCS possessions.

The other ASEAN nations will stay neutral because they know well enough China's not the aggressor, despite the forummer here make her to be, and willing to work with anyone that's involved and frankly they probably trust and depend on China much more than VN.

China is willing to solve the Huangyan dispute with PI peacefully otherwise she could've blown the PI warship out of the water a few months ago. What's her plans for the 40 shoals that VN occupies is anyone's guess. My take is she'll leave them as dispute area and let the future generations to deal with them so VN should be so lucky and keep her netizens quiet. One never knows what happen if he keeps stepping on the tiger's tail, so to speak.

Right, the US will not participate in war for disputed SCS. Instead, she will strengthen presence in the Western Pacific in general and SCS in particular, to ensure that all disputes in the region will be settled through diplomatic solutions. The most modern 4 high-speed warships go to Singapore, the increased presence in the Philippines, Thailand... well for that purpose.
Normally, the bully will pee his pants when he saw the US 7th Fleet.

VN will never attack the island which is being occupied illegally by Taiwan. Any attacking would also complicate the situation and break an opportunity to resolve disputes peacefully.

About China's claims, she claims "nine dotted lines" over 80% SCS, Even, it is located very very very close to the coast of Malaysia, Brunei, Philipines.
The "nine dotted lines" appeared first in 1948, it is absolutely ridiculous, unfounded, violating international law. Anyone with a clear conscience can easily recognize that.

About Paracels and the Spratlys, China had never controlled any island before WW2.
Taiwan occupied only some islands in the chaos of after WW2,
China only occupied illegally some of them after used force to rob islands from Vietnam in 1974 and 1988.
Therefore, China doesn't have any legitimate reason to claim the two archipelagos...

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Just bcz your're Chinese-Singaporean then you're bias toward China. China's claim in SCS(east sea) is ridiculous and unsubstantiated.
Here is our claim from Nguyen dynasty in 1838

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/u-s-de...ates-china-south-china-sea.html#ixzz1yU2NMsdm

And here is China map during Quing dynasty .People can't see Scarobours shoal or any isl from China map.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/u-s-de...ates-china-south-china-sea.html#ixzz1yU2SK339

Once day, China will say: Singapore belong to China just bcz the biggest ethnic is Chinese living there too

Well, the blood made she doesn't see any truth and justice, even though she lives in a civilized country and the rule of law of top.
And this is the odd claims of China from 1948:

Chinese Nine-dotted line:

The nine-dotted line, U-shape line, or nine-dash map (Chinese: 南海九段线; pinyin: nánhǎi jiǔduàn xiàn; literally "Nine division lines of the South China Sea"; Vietnamese: Đường lưỡi bò; literally: "ox's tongue line") refers to the demarcation line used by the government of the People's Republic of China for its claim in the South China Sea, an area including the Paracel Islands (occupied by China but claimed by Vietnam and Taiwan) and Spratly Islands disputed by the Philippines, China, Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan and Vietnam, who each either claim all or part of the Spratlys, which are believed to sit on vast mineral resources, including oil.[1] According to Chinese sources the line first appeared in February 1948 as an eleven-dotted U-shape line in a map appearing in a private publication in the Republic of China.[2]

 

[ahfatzia]

Right, the US will not participate in war for disputed SCS. Instead, she will strengthen presence in the Western Pacific in general and SCS in particular, to ensure that all disputes in the region will be settled through diplomatic solutions. The most modern 4 high-speed warships go to Singapore, the increased presence in the Philippines, Thailand... well for that purpose.
Normally, the bully will pee his pants when he saw the US 7th Fleet.

VN will never attack the island which is being occupied illegally by Taiwan. Any attacking would also complicate the situation and break an opportunity to resolve disputes peacefully.

About China's claims, she claims "nine dotted lines" over 80% SCS, Even, it is located very very very close to the coast of Malaysia, Brunei, Philipines.
The "nine dotted lines" appeared first in 1948, it is absolutely ridiculous, unfounded, violating international law. Anyone with a clear conscience can easily recognize that.

About Paracels and the Spratlys, China had never controlled any island before WW2.
Taiwan occupied only some islands in the chaos of after WW2,
China only occupied illegally some of them after used force to rob islands from Vietnam in 1974 and 1988.
Therefore, China doesn't have any legitimate reason to claim the two archipelagos...

I see your point. However I just opine the geopolitical situations in SCS as best as I can analyst it.

The present of US naval force in this area won't help you guys much because China, I believe, has no intentions of taking any military actions. What it does is strengthening China's resolves to build up her naval capabilities as she haven't done so already.

 

[Rechoice]

The country of An Nam (Vietnam today) with its Great East Sea in Chinese book of maps “Hai Do Quoc Chi). In the past China accepted that the Sea and Islands belong to Vietnam. No where isn't nine dash.

 

[SinoChallenger]

Vietnam government is collapsing from domestic unrest. That's why all these Viets are on PDF shrieking like monkeys. But PLA is ready to give these monkeys some agent orange medicine they love so much.