How Bangladeshis view Pakistanis today?

[Jf Thunder]

I believe your argument is misplaced -

1- If he was biased toward BDesh, he would have never chosen Pakistan at his country, knowing the fact how much hostile common pakistanis would be against east pakistanis after 71 fiasco.

2- Even if he was biased, he would have never chose to come up with a report as aggressive against army as it was, knowing that his loyalties would be questioned.

3- He would never be trusted as Chief Justice if there was an iota of doubt over his credential and loyalty toward Pakistan. It would be much easier to sack him once Bengalis revolted and no one would have questioned.

The fact is - he was loyal toward pakistan and his allegiance was totally toward pakistan. Thats why despite of all odds and danger, he spoke the harsh truth.

His son has been CJ of IHC, not sure if he is now.

1)No one was hostile to the EPs living here, Nur Ul Amin is an example
2)his job was to come up with an aggressive report against the Army
3)he was CJ before the separation of East Pakistan, hence i doubt there was mych idea that EP would be geting so much out of hand in 1968

 

[tahsin]

West Pakistanis were minority, but they were educated and wealthy. Thats why they had high positions in all sectors. 71 our literacy was around 15% and no business magnets who could run the country. But today we have many rich people and literacy rate has also increased. We did a good thing by breaking away.




Bangladesh/EP was created for Muslims only but your country was created for all religions so you must have high rank people from minorities. Your non Hindu means many things but where is the majority minority Muslims. Our non Muslims mean Hindu, Cht hill people and some buddhist, Christians. We have still some negotiations going on with the hill people. Though Hindus arent in top positions but 10 out of 1 they can be seen among 3 in 1 important positions in every important sectors. BD is improving from dirt poor. And our friendly Muslim countries helped us a lot. But what did you do for our Hindus as large Hindu country in the world. Other than taking our talented people did you try to invest in BD or given them job opportunities so that they can live well in BD not migrate to India.

You are right, Bangladesh has made a lot of progress over the last 10-15 years. I think our GDP is most likely around the $200bn figure now. Bangladesh breaking away from Pakistan, and forming its own nation, was the best thing that could have happened. However, all this will be wasted if we, as the current govt. seems to be doing, then allow India to have increasing influence. We must remain steadfast in our conviction to be the most developed South Asian country. We are only part way there.

 

[asad71]

1. BD and Pakistan are vitally linked by geo-strategic compulsions. No wonder many in India now say they have created two Pakistans out of the '71 War. What they mean is that The Two Nation Theory is very much alive and kicking. The ideology floated by our Bengali fathers like Nawab Abdul Latif saw our leaders like Sher e Bangla,Suhrowardy, Khwaja Nazimuddin, Maulavi Tamizuddin, Abul Hashim,Maulana Akram Khan and Sheikh Mujib struggle for it under the leadership of ML/Jinnah.The attitude of the state of India and the Hindu leader ship have proved again and again how correct they were.

2. Being Muslims, being pitted against a common ideological threat, having struggled together to fulfill the vision of The Two Nation Theory, having a common history of economic prosperity, the need of survival against a massive power and the common desire of retrieving Islamic glory in SA are factors that will gradually convince both to overcome the trauma of '71 to move forward.

 

[bongbang]

You are right, Bangladesh has made a lot of progress over the last 10-15 years. I think our GDP is most likely around the $200bn figure now. Bangladesh breaking away from Pakistan, and forming its own nation, was the best thing that could have happened. However, all this will be wasted if we, as the current govt. seems to be doing, then allow India to have increasing influence. We must remain steadfast in our conviction to be the most developed South Asian country. We are only part way there.

What present gov is doing? What is Indian influence? any BD gov will secure a separate strong BD. Simple logic.

 

[PoKeMon]

1)No one was hostile to the EPs living here, Nur Ul Amin is an example
2)his job was to come up with an aggressive report against the Army
3)he was CJ before the separation of East Pakistan, hence i doubt there was mych idea that EP would be geting so much out of hand in 1968

1- First you are saying there are no doubts on EPs and same time casting doubts on Rahman.
2- Was he briefed to come up heavily on army? No. It was his genuine findings.
3- Cant comprehend what are you trying to convey in point 3. I am not talking about 68 but after 71. Pakistan can then chose to sack him if his loyalties were misplaced or biased. There was no love lost between Pak and Bengalis then.

We are going in circles, no point continuing from here.

Cheers.

 

[Jf Thunder]

1- First you are saying there are no doubts on EPs and same time casting doubts on Rahman.
2- Was he briefed to come up heavily on army? No. It was his genuine findings.
3- Cant comprehend what are you trying to convey in point 3. I am not talking about 68 but after 71. Pakistan can then chose to sack him if his loyalties were misplaced or biased. There was no love lost between Pak and Bengalis then.

We are going in circles, no point continuing from here.

Cheers.

im enjoying this

1)i am not casting doubts, i am saying he gave a very good analysis, given he was EP and was bound by many limitations.
2)Yes he was only allowed to look at the Millitary aspect of the defeat
3)im saying, they wouldn't have made him CJ, if they didnt trust the EPs

 

[mb444]

http://sticerd.lse.ac.uk/dps/case/cr/CASEreport60.pdf
According to this, Sikhs are the second most wealthiest community in the UK after the Jews

For households with a Jewish household reference person it is £422,000.
For Sikh households it is £229,000.
For Christian households it is £223,000.
For Hindu households it is £206,000.
For Muslim households it is £42,000.
For those with any other religion it is £161,000.
For those with no religious affiliation it is £138,000.

You have not read the report fully. The sample population was too low and the age composition of the respondent too skewed to draw meaningful comparison. All the authors have stated is the median values in each subset, they have not drawn any conclusion from it.

 

[Neemo neemo]

Yes there was so before the Central Asians and the Brits there were many many countries which you can't say was now just India and pl spare me your dharmic Bull.

Oh wise scholar, please elaborate and enlighten us.

Ok now seriously, food being common between Bangladeshis/Indians or Pakistanis/Indians? That would mean food being common between Hindus and Muslims (since India is 80% Hindu, whereas both Bangladesh & Pakistan are 80% - 98% Muslim).

Now you do realize that Muslim cuisine is very rich in meat (Beef, Mutton, Chicken etc. etc)?

How could that be common between say India/Pakistan or India/Bangladesh? Please elaborate.

Because last time I checked, Hindus don't eat meat in general and beef in particular.

Which country do you find most similar in cuisine with Bangladesh? Be precise.

 

[coffee_cup]

Oh wise scholar, please elaborate and enlighten us.


Which country do you find most similar in cuisine with Bangladesh? Be precise.

You claimed it, so tell me, how does the Indian (read Hindu) food and Bangladeshi/Pakistan (read Muslim) food is similar? Taking into consideration that it is very rich in meat (beef, mutton, chicken).

Go on, enlighten us.

 

[Neemo neemo]

You claimed it, so tell me, how does the Indian (read Hindu) food and Bangladeshi/Pakistan (read Muslim) food is similar? Taking into consideration that it is very rich in meat (beef, mutton, chicken).

Go on, enlighten us.

Jab explain karna na aaye to bevajah ungli nahi karni chahiye.

 

[coffee_cup]

Jab explain karna na aaye to bevajah ungli nahi karni chahiye.

So nothing common in food then?

 

[damiendehorn]

So nothing common in food then?

Forget food, there is nothing in common at all apart from skin colour. They keep harping on about this fictious common culture but cant show a single thing thats common when you ask indians about it.

 

[MilSpec]

1. BD and Pakistan are vitally linked by geo-strategic compulsions. No wonder many in India now say they have created two Pakistans out of the '71 War. What they mean is that The Two Nation Theory is very much alive and kicking. The ideology floated by our Bengali fathers like Nawab Abdul Latif saw our leaders like Sher e Bangla,Suhrowardy, Khwaja Nazimuddin, Maulavi Tamizuddin, Abul Hashim,Maulana Akram Khan and Sheikh Mujib struggle for it under the leadership of ML/Jinnah.The attitude of the state of India and the Hindu leader ship have proved again and again how correct they were.

2. Being Muslims, being pitted against a common ideological threat, having struggled together to fulfill the vision of The Two Nation Theory, having a common history of economic prosperity, the need of survival against a massive power and the common desire of retrieving Islamic glory in SA are factors that will gradually convince both to overcome the trauma of '71 to move forward.

1. Simple question, If Islam as a religious entity was enough to make a separate nation, why is it that more muslims are killed by muslims in muslims nations than in any part of the world. As far as Indian leadership is concerned, look what happened to the India and pakistan as nations, one broken in to two.... Although I am a big supporter of two nation system but not the bogus theory propunded for it. The bottom lime is AIML did not have the kahones to win elections and come to power with seperate electorate even in punjab in pre-partition, thus they wanted a nation for themselves, where they wouldn't be out classed by INC and like, hus comes Pakistan..... Btw did ideology floated by Bengali fathers envisage Operation Searchlight by any chance?

2. We dont need to fight people who are foaming at the mouth to kill their own people. Retrieving what glory now? are you revisiting the niazi corridor now?

 

[khair_ctg]

West Pakistanis were minority, but they were educated and wealthy. Thats why they had high positions in all sectors. 71 our literacy was around 15% and no business magnets who could run the country. But today we have many rich people and literacy rate has also increased. We did a good thing by breaking away.

especially Muslims who lived outside Bengal before 1947 were more educated and wealthy compared to Muslims who lived inside Bengal before 1947.

Muslims were not dominated by other religious groups outside Bengal as much as Muslims were dominated in Bengal.

that is why Punjab-based Muslims, Muhajirs who migrated to both Punjab and Sindh, and Muhajirs who migrated to East Bengal all had more physical and human capital than Bengal Muslims. not surprisingly they had higher representation in various sectors relative to their population size in the nation of United Pakistan.

after 1947, Bengali Muslims should have felt happy that Muslims were finally governing their own selves. and we were glad. but post-1971 Indian-controlled narrative teaches us different thing.

Bengali Muslims (and also many East Pakistani non-Muslims) made important strides in various sectors from 1947 to 1971. this was despite Bengali anti-Muslim politics like suppressing practice of Urdu among Bengalis and other things.

you are correct except the last sentence. we did a good thing by breaking away from non-Muslim-majority India in 1947.

End of yopic over here. I think we should proceed ahead. Unfair treatment was done by west to east pakistan and then Indian aggravated that and maligned west Pakistan to devastating limit summary of 1947-1971. Instead of discussing and fighting on past. We should think for future.

some of the "unfair treatment" were a result of some Bengali politicians' own Indian-backed ethnocentric politics. and some "unfair treatment" were a result of some Bengali politicians' smoking on some potent stuff supplied by India

 

[bongbang]

you are correct except the last sentence. we did a good thing by breaking away from non-Muslim-majority India in 1947.

If breaking away from India is justified breaking away from Pakistan also justified.