What is your ideology?

[Maula Jatt]

Islam, my identity my religion, my ideology, my everything has Islam leading the way... Countries are created and destroyed, so does borders but Islam pre-exists, Islam exists and Islam will exists long after Pakistan, UK , America or any other country will cease to exists.

World is fast becoming irreligious though...

 

[Goritoes]

World is fast becoming irreligious though...

So what? I am gonna answer for myself, not for the world... in that great gathering everyone for himself.

 

[Maula Jatt]

So what? I am gonna answer for myself, not for the world... in that great gathering everyone for himself.

Nah I meant it in a scope of a nation state, that with rise in irrelgiousity around the globe how should or would nation state adjust Thier identity/thinking
Ofcourse personal identity is one's own choice/opinion

 

[Goritoes]

Nah I meant it in a scope of a nation state, that with rise in irrelgiousity around the globe how should or would nation state adjust Thier identity/thinking
Ofcourse personal identity is one's own choice/opinion

For a nation the process would be different, Plus I believe that this notion of world becoming more and more intolerant of religions, and religion itself becoming unimportant is part of the plan from God, everything has its time and course, Allah gave Muslims time and best man to follow but he also sends Fitna's as this life and world is a test, we think that Allah will not test us, we expect that just because we are good Muslims there won't be any calamities befalling on us, thing is that we failed, we are failing and we will keep failing until things comes to a breaking point. For people in their individual capacity they must not forget that everything else is temporary, borders and countries... specially the system through which a society run itself, the values for which a society is seen as progressive, in a 100 years that same society will look backwards. Without a Objective moral conduct prescribed by a higher power without altercation the society will keep " Progressing " but towards a more darker and weirder path, we think everything that shine is gold but that's not always the case. Whoever stood firm in his/her believe will have the reward, but it will all come down to having faith, a strong unmoved concrete faith.

 

[Sayfullah]

What is "Ahmadism"? Kindly define it.

Kufr
Pan Islamism should be the ideology of every Muslim.
Islamic nationalism doesn’t exist
Communism is a failed concept
Secularism means putting the law of people above the law of Allah in other words kufr

 

[Maula Jatt]

Kufr
Pan Islamism should be the ideology of every Muslim.
Islamic nationalism doesn’t exist
Communism is a failed concept
Secularism means putting the law of people above the law of Allah in other words kufr

What does your pan-islamism entails with in the frame work of modern world and nation state
Cause ofcourse we can't be caliphate can we?

This isalmic nationalsim was a term used by Iqbal and he wrote books on it
@CatSultan even shared a pic of it

 

[Sayfullah]

What does your pan-islamism entails with in the frame work of modern world and nation state

A caliphate at the moment wouldn’t be possible so best thing at the moment is a Muslim NATO and Muslim EU. We have the same currency and a grand military alliance with visa free entry to every country. But the ultimate goal is a grand caliphate but that isn’t possible right now because of our situation and how divided we are.

 

[tower9]

I don’t have one. I am a practical person. I think once you confine yourself to a rigid ideology, you will start making serious mistakes.

 

[PakAlp]

If such an order existed, it would be easier for the West to penetrate Islam. Because instead of investing in dozens of different fake sheikhs or wing leaders in dozens of states, they should have bought fewer people with much less resources.

In short, the caliph you're talking about can kiss my ***. Because he'll probably be kissing the *** of an English queen, or a communist party leader, a bear, or at best, a Zionist.

Separate religion and state affairs and keep the sheikhs or mullahs away from politics. This is the best way...

Caliphate which is the Islamic way of governance will be making a come back, Its the signs of the end of time. The Caliph can be called a president, Ameer etc. EU style was suggested because certain Islamic political parties are working to destroy all Muslim countries, destroy the armies, flags etc and then form a one state but obviously its a ploy to destroy the Muslims. If they were sincere then they would call for a EU/Nato type of alliance between Muslim states. Issue with OIC is that its united on paper only.

Mullahs/Sheiks are different from the real ulema. The ulema spend their lives studying islam and working to make the people/state stronger. The caliph/Ameer doesn't have to be a mullah or sheikh.

 

[dBSPL]

Caliphate which is the Islamic way of governance will be making a come back, Its the signs of the end of time. The Caliph can be called a president, Ameer etc. EU style was suggested because certain Islamic political parties are working to destroy all Muslim countries, destroy the armies, flags etc and then form a one state but obviously its a ploy to destroy the Muslims. If they were sincere then they would call for a EU/Nato type of alliance between Muslim states. Issue with OIC is that its united on paper only.

Mullahs/Sheiks are different from the real ulema. The ulema spend their lives studying islam and working to make the people/state stronger. The caliph/Ameer doesn't have to be a mullah or sheikh.

My first question is, where will the center of this caliphate office be?

My second question is there are 57 muslim countries and at least 20 countries with a serious muslim minority. Will the caliphate authority have the ability to direct these countries? Where there is politics, there is contention, how will you isolate the office of the Caliphate from being a place of political contention?

 

[SecularNationalist]

Just look at my username that's my ideology. I guess I don't to vote for that poll.

 

[jamahir]

"Religion is the opium of the masses" - Karl Marx

Sorry for the late reply but I did not get alert for your quoting me. Maybe you quoted me post after your quoted others and the forum algorithm merged my reply with the previous ones and did not generate an alert for me.

Maybe Marx produced that statement in context of ritualistic religion where there are priests who hijack even a simple, progressive religion like Islam and make it in cooperation with the Capitalists who enable the survival of the priests and then the commoners who don't question the oppressive system maintained by the priests and the Capitalists. If Marx had lived until the 1940s he would have seen the studies of Islamic scholars like these who understood the similarity between his thinking of modern Communism and with Islam :

During the same period (1920s-30s), another (though lesser known) Islamic scholar in undivided India got smitten by the 1917 Russian revolution and Marxism.

Hafiz Rahman Sihwarwl saw Islam and Marxism sharing five elements in common: (1) prohibition of the accumulation of wealth in the hands of the privileged classes (2) organisation of the economic structure of the state to ensure social welfare (3) equality of opportunity for all human beings (4) priority of collective social interest over individual privilege and (5) prevention of the permanentising of class structure through social revolution.

The motivations for many of these themes he drew from the Qur’an, which he understood as seeking to create an economic order in which the rich pay excessive, though voluntary taxes (Zakat) to minimise differences in living standards.

In the areas that Sihwarwl saw Islam and communism diverge were Islam’s sanction of private ownership within certain limits, and in its refusal to recognise an absolutely classless basis of society.

He suggested that Islam, with its prohibition of the accumulation of wealth, is able to control the class structure through equality of opportunity.

Basically, both Sindhi and Sihwarwl had stumbled upon an Islamic concept of the social democratic welfare state.

Building upon the initial thoughts of Sindhi and Sihwarwl were perhaps South Asia’s two most ardent and articulate supporters and theoreticians of Islamic Socilaism: Ghulam Ahmed Parvez and Dr. Khalifa Abdul Hakim.

Parvez was a prominent ‘Quranist’, or an Islamic scholar who insisted that for the Muslims to make progress in the modern world, Islamic thought and laws should be entirely based on the modern interpretations of the Qu’ran and on the complete rejection of the hadith (sayings of the Prophet and his companions based on hearsay and compiled over a 100 years after the Prophet’s demise).

After studying traditional Muslim texts, as well as Sufism, Parvez claimed that almost all hadiths were fabrications by those who wanted Islam to seem like an intolerant faith and by ancient Muslim kings who used these hadiths to give divine legitimacy to their tyrannical rules.

Parvez also insisted that Muslims should spend more time studying the modern sciences instead of wasting their energies on fighting out ancient sectarian conflicts or ignoring the true egalitarian and enlightening spirit of the Qu’ran by indulging in multiple rituals handed down to them by ancient ulema, clerics and compilers of the hadith.

Understandably, Parvez was right away attacked by conservative Islamic scholars and political outfits.

But this didn’t stop famous Muslim philosopher and poet, Muhammad Iqbal, to befriend the young scholar and then introduce him to the future founder of Pakistan, Muhammad Ali Jinnah.

Jinnah appointed Parvez to edit a magazine, Talu-e-Islam. It was set-up to propagate the creation of a separate Muslim country and to also answer the attacks that Jinnah’s All India Muslim League had begun to face from conservative Islamic parties and ulemawho accused the League of being a pseudo-Muslim organisation and Jinnah for being too westernised and ‘lacking correct Islamic behavior.’

Apart from continuing to author books and commentaries on the Qu’ran, Parvez wrote a series of articles in Talu-e-Islam that propagated a more socialistic view of the holy book.

In a series of essays for the magazine he used verses from the Qu’ran, incidents from the faith’s history and insights from the writings of Muhammad Iqbal to claim:

The clergy and conservative ulema have hijacked Islam.

They are agents of the rich people and promoters of uncontrolled Capitalism.

Socialism best enforces Qur’anic dictums on property, justice and distribution of wealth.

Islam’s main mission was the eradication of all injustices and cruelties from society. It was a socio-economic movement, and the Prophet was a leader seeking to put an end to the capitalist exploitation of the Quraysh merchants and the corrupt bureaucracy of Byzantium and Persia.

According to the Qur’an, Muslims have three main responsibilities: seeing, hearing and sensing through the agency of the mind. Consequently, real knowledge is based on empirically verifiable observation, or through the role of science.

Poverty is the punishment of God and deserved by those who ignore science.

In Muslim/Islamic societies, science, as well as agrarian reform should play leading roles in developing an industrialised economy.

A socialist path is a correction of the medieval distortion of Islam through Shari’a.

The islamist parties are mostly hijacked by the west agencies or they are just jahil. Otherwise the outcome of their plan will not lead to the destruction of the ummah ie like Yemen, Syria, Libya.

Separate religion and state affairs and keep the sheikhs or mullahs away from politics. This is the best way...

our Mullahs are the most vile hypocrites alive and i really want 90% of such bastards to be hanged!

bastards sit on the throne of madrasas like kings and all they do is create braindead sheeps who follow their rules/laws and not rules/laws of Islam!

Agreed.

Women empowerment comes in the form of education and healthcare.

Women empowerment through education must be through a system where empathy, humanism and progressivism are taught, the same as for males, otherwise we will end up like in India and Pakistan where there are "educated" right-wing, irrational females - the Hindutvadis and the Jamia Hafsa / Haya March crowd, respectively.

Respectism
Decencysm
Pragmatism
LearnMoreism
EatMoreism
Alcoholism

Well, you should strike the last one off. Though @Imran Khan bhai will not agree with me. LOL.

Islam, my identity my religion, my ideology, my everything has Islam leading the way... Countries are created and destroyed, so does borders but Islam pre-exists, Islam exists and Islam will exists long after Pakistan, UK , America or any other country will cease to exists.

Is your brain signalling correctly ? There is some strange thread you created about an encounter with one female colleague who asked you something about going back in time and you seemed to me like one Indian Muslim boy, maybe of 14, who in a TV debate along with an interactive audience, was very emotional - tearful and shouty actually - declaring that his religion compulsorily required to grow a beard.

 

[Paitoo]

Well, you should strike the last one off. Though @Imran Khan bhai will not agree with me. LOL.

Absolutely not. That last -ism opens up possibilities for so many other -isms

 

[jamahir]

Absolutely not. That last -ism opens up possibilities for so many other -isms

Like ?

 

[Warking]

Nah I meant it in a scope of a nation state, that with rise in irrelgiousity around the globe how should or would nation state adjust Thier identity/thinking
Ofcourse personal identity is one's own choice/opinion

I can say one thing we Muslims are in a bad condition and we would very likely get killed en mass why? we deserve it we have forgotten or principles and values and replaced them with that of the west. I hope that Pakistan fixes its society and brings Islamic values instead of cultural ones. We Muslims are under oppressions by secular neo atheistic powers that want to impose their values on us because we allowed them too. I am sure someday we would stand up to it. Still Pakistan is pain in there *** and I am sure it will stand strong.