Why liberalism is actually the biggest threat which Pakistan faces apart from insurgencies

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

@Bleek
@Great Janjua
@Mirzali Khan
@Maula Jatt
We can't counter liberalism just by stopping US based NGOs to work in Pakistan.
We need our own narrative and indigenous theory for the people of Pakistan so that our educated class does not fall a pray of this liberalism concept and holds on its own roots.

After months of thinking and studying some books on philosophy,i have prepared a theory called "Neo-modernism"

What is Neo _Modernism?
Neo_modernism is a conceptual study to handle religion and secular sciences together in an individual or in a state or even in the world.

How this theory handles these two?
This theory recognizes science and islam as two separate domains

Unlike secularism,
Neo -modernism recognizes Islam's importance on individual as well as on state level.

Islam is divided into two parts
a) Spirituality
b)a complete system on individual and state level
By spirituality,i mean the faith on oness of God and His Prophets and all other worships on individual level that can make an individual's faith strong and powerful
Now coming towards system:
On individual level:
Islam's major focus is to make his followers disciplined .
All worships place heavy focus on time management and the sense of accountability in front of a Supreme Being (God)

At state level:
Islam suggests different punishments for those who violate basic human rights,gives a framework for economy management (zakat system) and thus sets a system for a state to work
By careful study we can see that Islam puts heavy focus on justice and accountability so it's a basic code of Islamic state system.
While Islam has suggested a system for state but has also said that there is no compulsion in religion so state can devise a system on its own but it must uphold the basic code of Islam that is "Justice and accountability ".

Now coming to Science:
Science is a tool or a weapon to compete with other nations of the world.It empowers an individual or a state by providing different sources of income.It is also a human way of understanding and exploring laws of nature.It may or may not agree with Islam and that should not be a problem because these are separate domains.

Now Islam makes our connection to God and makes us disciplined and sets a framework of a system for an individual and state.
While science makes use of this disciplined behaviour and equips us to compete with other nations of the world.

So both inspite of separate domains are equally important and need to
be mastered.
If islam is neglected it can lead to a collapse of nation's moral behaviour
And if science is neglected,it can lead to defeat of a state or an individual in competitive world environment.

So both are equally important.

 

[VCheng]

b)a complete system on individual and state level

That is the fatal flaw here. Mixing matters of religion, and matters of State is a deadly mistake. Exhibit A: Pakistan.

 

[Mujahid Memon]

"apart from insurgencies"​

No. Liberalism is actually a bigger threat than insurgengies because in the latter case the danger is in front of you but in the former case the danger is quite hideous, slowly eating away its host until the core is completely hollow and then you crumble to the ground by your own weight.

Think of it like what is more dangerous, gunfire wound or rabies? Go figure yourself

Even across the border I would say fake liberals like @jamahir are more dangerous for Muslims than Hindutva terror gangs. If we go by what he preaches like Muslim women should not wear hijab and Muslims should stop practicing their religion then there would be no Hindutva to begin with. Those hindutvadis do not want to kill Muslims, they just want Muslims to stop being Muslims. He may be anti-hindutva in front of us but in reality he is doing the god's work for them

 

[VCheng]

Think of it like what is more dangerous, gunfire wound or rabies? Go figure yourself

It obviously depends on where the gunshot wound is, and whether anti-rabies shots are available or not.

 

[CLUMSY]

Also btw you could also view some liberal movements as being reactionary to increasing grasp of religion on politics, so you could also say that liberalism is a reactionary movement to rising conservatism.

"apart from insurgencies"​

No. Liberalism is actually a bigger threat than insurgengies because in the latter case the danger is in front of you but in the former case the danger is quite hideous, slowly eating away its host until the core is completely hollow and then you crumble to the ground by your own weight.

Think of it like what is more dangerous, gunfire wound or rabies? Go figure yourself

Even across the border I would say fake liberals like @jamahir are more dangerous for Muslims than Hindutva terror gangs. If we go by what he preaches like Muslim women should not wear hijab and Muslims should stop practicing their religion then there would be no Hindutva to begin with. Those hindutvadis do not want to kill Muslims, they just want Muslims to stop being Muslims. He may be anti-hindutva in front of us but in reality he is doing the god's work for them

Man liberalism just means you do what you want without the state giving a **** as long as you dont harm anyone. You can go pray in your masjid and still have a negative view on LGBTQIESIWJ+ whatever without state giving a damn, or you could be an atheist without any state intervention. I dont see how thats harmful to you guys.

 

[Mujahid Memon]

anti-rabies shots

They won't work if you developed symptoms. Just like you have to take the vaccine in speculation that you might catch rabies similarly you have to fight against degeneracy in advance. Initially everyone be like its not harming anyone so let them be but once it starts showing its negative effects its too late to return

 

[VCheng]

They won't work if you developed symptoms. Just like you have to take the vaccine in speculation that you might catch rabies similarly you have to fight against degeneracy in advance. Initially everyone be like its not harming anyone so let them be but once it starts showing its negative effects its too late to return

Compared to a 50 cal to the forehead?

 

[Mujahid Memon]

Compared to a 50 cal to the forehead?

Nah. Compared to a 70 meter Boeing

 

[VCheng]

Nah. Compared to a 300 meter Boeing

I'd still risk going with the rabies. Besides, a couple of Chinooks and Blackhawks took care of all the riff raff in Abbottabad caused by that Boeing just fine. Your analogy remains a failure.

 

[bababho]

Clown TLP PTM are barely 5 years old you need some history lessons.

Those are just names but the thought process is decades old , upgrade you compression skills

 

[Mujahid Memon]

I'd still risk going with the rabies.

Of course an average yankee would risk anything but...

 

[VCheng]

Of course an average yankee would risk anything but...

... but here comes the utterly useless whataboutery.

 

[TheSolution]

@Bleek
@Great Janjua
@Mirzali Khan
@Maula Jatt
We can't counter liberalism just by stopping US based NGOs to work in Pakistan.
We need our own narrative and indigenous theory for the people of Pakistan so that our educated class does not fall a pray of this liberalism concept and holds on its own roots.

After months of thinking and studying some books on philosophy,i have prepared a theory called "Neo-modernism"

What is Neo _Modernism?
Neo_modernism is a conceptual study to handle religion and secular sciences together in an individual or in a state or even in the world.

How this theory handles these two?
This theory recognizes science and islam as two separate domains

Unlike secularism,
Neo -modernism recognizes Islam's importance on individual as well as on state level.

Islam is divided into two parts
a) Spirituality
b)a complete system on individual and state level
By spirituality,i mean the faith on oness of God and His Prophets and all other worships on individual level that can make an individual's faith strong and powerful
Now coming towards system:
On individual level:
Islam's major focus is to make his followers disciplined .
All worships place heavy focus on time management and the sense of accountability in front of a Supreme Being (God)

At state level:
Islam suggests different punishments for those who violate basic human rights,gives a framework for economy management (zakat system) and thus sets a system for a state to work
By careful study we can see that Islam puts heavy focus on justice and accountability so it's a basic code of Islamic state system.
While Islam has suggested a system for state but has also said that there is no compulsion in religion so state can devise a system on its own but it must uphold the basic code of Islam that is "Justice and accountability ".

Now coming to Science:
Science is a tool or a weapon to compete with other nations of the world.It empowers an individual or a state by providing different sources of income.It is also a human way of understanding and exploring laws of nature.It may or may not agree with Islam and that should not be a problem because these are separate domains.

Now Islam makes our connection to God and makes us disciplined and sets a framework of a system for an individual and state.
While science makes use of this disciplined behaviour and equips us to compete with other nations of the world.

So both inspite of separate domains are equally important and need to
be mastered.
If islam is neglected it can lead to a collapse of nation's moral behaviour
And if science is neglected,it can lead to defeat of a state or an individual in competitive world environment.

So both are equally important.

I completely agree and I wrote something kind of related to this in another thread, I'll tag you

 

[AZMwi]

I am just waiting for you to graduate from Suicide Bomber School.



Ever heard of the Summer of Love, or Woodstock? The moon shots were achieved during that decade.

Typical neo-libeturd lol

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

That is the fatal flaw here. Mixing matters of religion, and matters of State is a deadly mistake. Exhibit A: Pakistan.

You should look at dynamics of Pakistani nations and their conservative nature.
Conservative people,even if educated scientifically, will not be that fruitful for research if state doesn't clarify position of religion and science for them.They will give more time to their religion and other social activities but will not recognize the importance of science

While people with secular wisdom will just hate the conservativeness of their co-religionists and finding no space for them in conservative society,they will be heavily influenced by liberal world.

Islam is an important unifying factor for the state of Pakistan.

So By Neo modernism cocept,both will come at some common ground.They will be taught that both of these are important so a better social fabric can be developed.