Owners Pride - The Killer : IAF Su - 30 MKI

[danger007]

Ajai Shukla | Mumbai
January 21, 2014 Last Updated at 00:32 IST

Russia can't deliver on Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft: IAF
The Indian Air Force alleges Russians reluctant to share critical design information, besides technical and cost issues
Russians demands for more money in $6 billion $6 FGFA deal
Now You send your FM beggar bowl to Russia

 

[pumkinduke]

When was it designed...? If something from the 60 era you come with means that after that nothing? Nada? Just count how many nations use Mushaq and K8.... O these are non Pakistani? Well, they are brand new, produced in Pakistan and China...


I agree with you, after 60'era India has sunk to even lower level. Druv is ordinary Eurocopter. It is the reason that Eurocopter sells good... And Israel did not like it cause it is so outdated. Crashing like... The others are long gone, outdated and not even liked by your own forced... No LCA in your list? How come?

u give gslv mk3 negative rating for calling "fool" and not desert fighter who used a "chutiya word" ?

 

[GURU DUTT]

Guru... You know you pay heavy price. And we get things for free...

bhai as they say bheek me mille qurma roti se achhe hote hain mehnat ki kamai se mille do sada roti per aapka mulk to ye baat nahi samajh sakta

but there is no price too heavy for your freedom and we will pay it with joy cuase we indians know how to earn money not beg it

than What is Your Real Pride ???
TEJA LCA
or
SU-30 MKI (Sukhoi)

well MKi is owr pride right now and Tejas is just a baby trying to learn walking and will soon be owr pride and we will make sure they will .. khair jane do

What A Owner Pride !!!
First of All The SU-30MKI is not Indian
Sukhoi Su-30MKI developed by Russia's Sukhoi
built under licence by India's Hindustan Aeronautics Limited
and remaining story is
Russian NIIP N-011 radar
Russian long-range IRST sensor
French navigation
French heads-up display systems from Thales,
Israeli electronic warfare systems and
LITENING advanced targeting pods


Now Change the Threade Name
Russian Pride The SU-30 MKI

well al those things above were paid for in hard cash so its indian and IAF is using it and will be used against owr enemies in time of war so good luck

Ajai Shukla | Mumbai
January 21, 2014 Last Updated at 00:32 IST

Russia can't deliver on Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft: IAF
The Indian Air Force alleges Russians reluctant to share critical design information, besides technical and cost issues
Russians demands for more money in $6 billion $6 FGFA deal
Now You send your FM beggar bowl to Russia

dont worry we now have USA and Japan as backup and both are willing to give there stealth planes and guess what if time comes we will buy from them aswell

 

[RPK]

 

[帅的一匹]

Haha, but we have the MMR - the best in the world to counter Chinese AESA.
Plus why would we throw our 'vulnerable' MKI's at your super duper J-20? Infact according to the top secret IAF doctrine which I just happened to make up, IAF will now pit our tiny, most advanced, RAM-coated, nearly invisible to chinese pilots looking hard for it, with non-zigzag rounded edges (advanced radar reflecting design by the top secret Radar Design Bureau in Majestic Circle, B'lore) and non -DSI intakes with RAM cloth coating and other top secret technologies --- our one and only LCA - the mighty Tejas - 25years in the making!!
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Taa--- Daa
IAF is going to use Tejas to massacre and cause genocide of your J-20 dragoooons....

Be afraid, be very afraid!!

just look at that pathetic paint job, LOL

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cobra maneuver is just for performance only, it contribute zero in the real combat.

 

[sancho]

u give gslv mk3 negative rating for calling "fool" and not desert fighter who used a "chutiya word" ?

True, @Munir should not rate differently, but that doesn't take away the fact that gslv mk3 made personal attacks and therefor the rating was appropriate. Don't let yourself be provoked so easily by trolls, replying to them just get them more attention and if they post things against the forum rules: FORUM RULES AND REGULATIONS

notify the Mods to take care of it and move on with the actual topic.

 

[gubbi]

just look at that pathetic paint job, LOL

What 'pathetic paint job'? That is state of the art, highly classified, AI controlled, dynamic plasma panel RAM coating. Check out different pics of the same Tejas, those 'white' panels are in different positions in all those pics!! Its just white because its in testing stages. If you havent noticed, these panels move along the surface of the aircraft concentrating on the areas where the radar waves impact the most, thereby absorbing the maximum radar waves as possible. Even your saw-tooth edges on the mighty J-20 dragoooon is not that efficient, forget your grey colored RAM coating!
Plus, since its tiny, the Chinese pilots will not be able to see it even at close distances through your single piece canopies (lots of distortions)!!
I am telling ya, Tejas is gonna cause genocide of the J-20s...

 

[Munir]

The MKI engine has to be overhauled in Russia. Take 200 fighters... 400 engines... You can start daily shipments... Besides that the MKI engines are used in a much harsher way then others... TVC... Trying to use a truck as a agile car... No wonder they have more landings on one engine then two. Surely is is better the old RD33. But I read that they needed to be upgraded by Russia cause they are not good enough. But then again, when did we hear these stories about RD93 or now the RD93 CMA? Never. Does China has issues with their AL31FN? Never... How come?

 

[Gessler]

The MKI engine has to be overhauled in Russia. Take 200 fighters... 400 engines... You can start daily shipments... Besides that the MKI engines are used in a much harsher way then others... TVC... Trying to use a truck as a agile car... No wonder they have more landings on one engine then two. Surely is is better the old RD33. But I read that they needed to be upgraded by Russia cause they are not good enough. But then again, when did we hear these stories about RD93 or now the RD93 CMA? Never. Does China has issues with their AL31FN? Never... How come?

You are reporting very old news. AL-31FP MRO facilities are active within India, as are/will be for the engines, systems
etc. of ALL our aircraft fleet. Real problem is with Pakistan - you don't have the MRO facilities for either F-16 or JF-17 engines.

 

[Munir]

True, @Munir should not rate differently, but that doesn't take away the fact that gslv mk3 made personal attacks and therefor the rating was appropriate. Don't let yourself be provoked so easily by trolls, replying to them just get them more attention and if they post things against the forum rules: FORUM RULES AND REGULATIONS

notify the Mods to take care of it and move on with the actual topic.

Who do you refer to when you write trolls? You do know that indirect flaming is not much different? I only show the reality which no one counters in a civilized and scientific way. I do not think that is can be called trolling.

@gubbi ... Tegas causing genocide on J20? Maybe in bang bang 2. Based on what? You never won an airwar against Pakistan. You never will. No matter how many Druvs's, LCA's, MKI's or (if ever bought) Rafales will change that.

You are reporting very old news. AL-31FP MRO facilities are active within India, as are/will be for the engines, systems
etc. of ALL our aircraft fleet. Real problem is with Pakistan - you don't have the MRO facilities for either F-16 or JF-17 engines.

news from 2014:

@Gessler
RIBUNE EXCLUSIVESu-30MKI engine failures worry IAF; Russia told to fix snagAjay Banerjee
Tribune News Service

New Delhi, July 20
The Sukhoi-30MKI fleet of the Indian Air Force has been encountering mid-air engine failures for the past two years. India has officially flagged the matter to Russia seeking a correction.

Repeated engine failures and the newly introduced precautionary measures have affected the availability of planes for various operations. The IAF has a fleet of 200 Sukhois.

After a failure, the engine is replaced after testing before allowing the plane to fly again. The process of removing and replacing an engine usually takes four-five days, but can be extended depending upon the damage.

As a stopgap arrangement, the Russian side had suggested some measures.

The IAF has so far not arrived at a conclusion of its findings, but as a precautionary step, it has started servicing the engine after 700 hours instead of the mandated 1,000 hours of flying, adding to the non-availability of the aircraft.

Sources said the matter was taken up at the India-Russia meeting in June this year and also in February when a Russian delegation visited the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited's (HAL's) Sukhoi-30MKI plant at Nashik.

The IAF had told Russians after studying each failure in detail that Sukhoi's engines - AL-31FP produced by NPO Saturn of Russia - had been functioning inconsistently for the past two years (2012 and 2013). The number of single-engine landings by planes in two years is high and not healthy. It lowers the operational ability of the fleet, besides raising questions about war readiness, said sources.

A single-engine landing is necessitated after one of the power plants fails mid-air. The Sukhoi-30MKI is a twin-engine plane and a mid-air failure of one of its engines means the second engine allows it to land. Such a situation would be unacceptable during a conflict when the pilot would need an optimum speed to attack or to withdraw after an attack. The power of both engines is required to lift eight tonne of payload - missiles and rockets.

The exact number of such engine burnouts and percentage of fleet that is not available for flying at any point of time are being held back from publication in the newspaper as it would adversely impact national security. Had the Sukhoi-30MKI been a single-engine plane, like the MiG 21, all engine burnouts would have led to crashes, in some case death of pilots and the resultant furore.

The IAF and the Ministry and Defence have always considered the Sukhoi as a "safe and reliable" warplane. So far, only four have crashed since phased- induction in 1997. A pilot had died in the first crash in 2009 and at least one of the crashes is attributed to engine trouble.

Sukhoi enjoys air superiority because of its powerful engine. In horizontal flight, it can fly 2,400 km/hr or achieve a rate of climb of 230 m/s. The engines, specialised with thrust vectoring control, improves the aircraft manoeuvrability.

In northern and western India, the Sukhoi-30MKI is based at Bathinda, Halwara near Ludhiana, Sirsa, Bareilly, Jodhpur and Bhuj.

Single-engine landings high

• • The IAF has a fleet of 200 Sukhois
  • Repeated engine failures have affected the availability of Su-30MKIs
  • It takes four-five days to remove and replace the engine
  • Single-engine landings by Su-30MKIs in two years is high
  • As a precautionary step, the IAF has started servicing the engine after 700 flying hrs instead 1,000 hrs

 

[The Great One]

You are reporting very old news. AL-31FP MRO facilities are active within India, as are/will be for the engines, systems
etc. of ALL our aircraft fleet. Real problem is with Pakistan - you don't have the MRO facilities for either F-16 or JF-17 engines.

Forget him. He's not worth it.

 

[Munir]

Forget him. He's not worth it.

It must be a great honor to be someone that cannot be countered by empty statements. "He is not worth it" is personal flaming.

 

[Gessler]

Who do you refer to when you write trolls? You do know that indirect flaming is not much different? I only show the reality which no one counters in a civilized and scientific way. I do not think that is can be called trolling.

@gubbi ... Tegas causing genocide on J20? Maybe in bang bang 2. Based on what? You never won an airwar against Pakistan. You never will. No matter how many Druvs's, LCA's, MKI's or (if ever bought) Rafales will change that.


news from 2014:

RIBUNE EXCLUSIVESu-30MKI engine failures worry IAF; Russia told to fix snagAjay Banerjee
Tribune News Service

New Delhi, July 20
The Sukhoi-30MKI fleet of the Indian Air Force has been encountering mid-air engine failures for the past two years. India has officially flagged the matter to Russia seeking a correction.

Repeated engine failures and the newly introduced precautionary measures have affected the availability of planes for various operations. The IAF has a fleet of 200 Sukhois.

After a failure, the engine is replaced after testing before allowing the plane to fly again. The process of removing and replacing an engine usually takes four-five days, but can be extended depending upon the damage.

As a stopgap arrangement, the Russian side had suggested some measures.

The IAF has so far not arrived at a conclusion of its findings, but as a precautionary step, it has started servicing the engine after 700 hours instead of the mandated 1,000 hours of flying, adding to the non-availability of the aircraft.

Sources said the matter was taken up at the India-Russia meeting in June this year and also in February when a Russian delegation visited the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited's (HAL's) Sukhoi-30MKI plant at Nashik.

The IAF had told Russians after studying each failure in detail that Sukhoi's engines - AL-31FP produced by NPO Saturn of Russia - had been functioning inconsistently for the past two years (2012 and 2013). The number of single-engine landings by planes in two years is high and not healthy. It lowers the operational ability of the fleet, besides raising questions about war readiness, said sources.

A single-engine landing is necessitated after one of the power plants fails mid-air. The Sukhoi-30MKI is a twin-engine plane and a mid-air failure of one of its engines means the second engine allows it to land. Such a situation would be unacceptable during a conflict when the pilot would need an optimum speed to attack or to withdraw after an attack. The power of both engines is required to lift eight tonne of payload - missiles and rockets.

The exact number of such engine burnouts and percentage of fleet that is not available for flying at any point of time are being held back from publication in the newspaper as it would adversely impact national security. Had the Sukhoi-30MKI been a single-engine plane, like the MiG 21, all engine burnouts would have led to crashes, in some case death of pilots and the resultant furore.

The IAF and the Ministry and Defence have always considered the Sukhoi as a "safe and reliable" warplane. So far, only four have crashed since phased- induction in 1997. A pilot had died in the first crash in 2009 and at least one of the crashes is attributed to engine trouble.

Sukhoi enjoys air superiority because of its powerful engine. In horizontal flight, it can fly 2,400 km/hr or achieve a rate of climb of 230 m/s. The engines, specialised with thrust vectoring control, improves the aircraft manoeuvrability.

In northern and western India, the Sukhoi-30MKI is based at Bathinda, Halwara near Ludhiana, Sirsa, Bareilly, Jodhpur and Bhuj.

Single-engine landings high

• • The IAF has a fleet of 200 Sukhois
  • Repeated engine failures have affected the availability of Su-30MKIs
  • It takes four-five days to remove and replace the engine
  • Single-engine landings by Su-30MKIs in two years is high
  • As a precautionary step, the IAF has started servicing the engine after 700 flying hrs instead 1,000 hrs

> Doesn't say anywhere that engines have to sent to Russia for overhaul. Where did you get that?
> Doesn't say anywhere no. of single-engine landings is higher than twin-engine landings. What BS.
> Plus the article is clearly exaggeration as MKI has participated in dozens of international air combat exercises
and simulations. If such serious flaws with the engine are there, it would have easily become evident in these
exercises.

 

[GORKHALI]

Who do you refer to when you write trolls? You do know that indirect flaming is not much different? I only show the reality which no one counters in a civilized and scientific way. I do not think that is can be called trolling.

@gubbi ... Tegas causing genocide on J20? Maybe in bang bang 2. Based on what? You never won an airwar against Pakistan. You never will. No matter how many Druvs's, LCA's, MKI's or (if ever bought) Rafales will change that.


news from 2014:

@Gessler
RIBUNE EXCLUSIVESu-30MKI engine failures worry IAF; Russia told to fix snagAjay Banerjee
Tribune News Service

New Delhi, July 20
The Sukhoi-30MKI fleet of the Indian Air Force has been encountering mid-air engine failures for the past two years. India has officially flagged the matter to Russia seeking a correction.

Repeated engine failures and the newly introduced precautionary measures have affected the availability of planes for various operations. The IAF has a fleet of 200 Sukhois.

After a failure, the engine is replaced after testing before allowing the plane to fly again. The process of removing and replacing an engine usually takes four-five days, but can be extended depending upon the damage.

As a stopgap arrangement, the Russian side had suggested some measures.

The IAF has so far not arrived at a conclusion of its findings, but as a precautionary step, it has started servicing the engine after 700 hours instead of the mandated 1,000 hours of flying, adding to the non-availability of the aircraft.

Sources said the matter was taken up at the India-Russia meeting in June this year and also in February when a Russian delegation visited the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited's (HAL's) Sukhoi-30MKI plant at Nashik.

The IAF had told Russians after studying each failure in detail that Sukhoi's engines - AL-31FP produced by NPO Saturn of Russia - had been functioning inconsistently for the past two years (2012 and 2013). The number of single-engine landings by planes in two years is high and not healthy. It lowers the operational ability of the fleet, besides raising questions about war readiness, said sources.

A single-engine landing is necessitated after one of the power plants fails mid-air. The Sukhoi-30MKI is a twin-engine plane and a mid-air failure of one of its engines means the second engine allows it to land. Such a situation would be unacceptable during a conflict when the pilot would need an optimum speed to attack or to withdraw after an attack. The power of both engines is required to lift eight tonne of payload - missiles and rockets.

The exact number of such engine burnouts and percentage of fleet that is not available for flying at any point of time are being held back from publication in the newspaper as it would adversely impact national security. Had the Sukhoi-30MKI been a single-engine plane, like the MiG 21, all engine burnouts would have led to crashes, in some case death of pilots and the resultant furore.

The IAF and the Ministry and Defence have always considered the Sukhoi as a "safe and reliable" warplane. So far, only four have crashed since phased- induction in 1997. A pilot had died in the first crash in 2009 and at least one of the crashes is attributed to engine trouble.

Sukhoi enjoys air superiority because of its powerful engine. In horizontal flight, it can fly 2,400 km/hr or achieve a rate of climb of 230 m/s. The engines, specialised with thrust vectoring control, improves the aircraft manoeuvrability.

In northern and western India, the Sukhoi-30MKI is based at Bathinda, Halwara near Ludhiana, Sirsa, Bareilly, Jodhpur and Bhuj.

Single-engine landings high

• • The IAF has a fleet of 200 Sukhois
  • Repeated engine failures have affected the availability of Su-30MKIs
  • It takes four-five days to remove and replace the engine
  • Single-engine landings by Su-30MKIs in two years is high
  • As a precautionary step, the IAF has started servicing the engine after 700 flying hrs instead 1,000 hrs

Selective news is dangerous for pakistan, they should be atleast experienced by now: here the latest news

The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - Main News

The plane is the mainstay of India’s air operations to dominate the skies against possible attacks from both western and eastern frontiers.The modification will be carried out on 400 engines of the twin-engine aircraft, besides installation of some spares for emergencies. The Russians will install modified engines on the next lot of 72 jets, sources say.

The modification will primarily be carried out at HAL’s Sukhoi engine plant in Orissa. The HAL is a public sector undertaking owned by the Defence Ministry.
The modified engines will first be tested on the aircraft, before being fitted to the entire fleet. The refit will be carried out in batches over the next 18-24 months.

The Russians have assured India that the modifications will eliminate the problem of mid-air engine failure, say sources.

The Russian proposal has been accepted by the top brass of the IAF.

Some of the engines — the AL-31FP — produced by NPO Saturn of Russia have been behaving inconsistently over the past two years. Since the engines powering the jet are still being produced, there is a scope for modification.

Well it will take 2 years to get it done and its already started and it seems not all engines are suffering but few engines produced by russia.

 

[The Great One]

It must be a great honor to be someone that cannot be countered by empty statements. "He is not worth it" is personal flaming.

LOL
I have approx. 4 unanswered replies on you. Seeing your as you don't have the guts to reply a single time when your pathetic troll posts are called out, it is only natural that I warn others about you.