JF-17 Nightmare For The Enemy Pilots

[Basel]

Assuming also that both sides have the same level of skill in tactics as well.

Attackers don't have advantage of home ground, PAF can wait for MKIs to come close 50km of border to launch JFTs while F-7s can be used as baits while SAMs can take care of other airborne threats.

At 200kms inside Indian border MKI MAWS can yell run for your life, get the point.

 

[UKBengali]

Looks good on paper, however sorry to ruin your daily meal, recent confrontation between the two proved otherwise without any blood being spilled....when a single round can blow you out of the sky, what advantages do you have whether you are carrying 4 or 10 missiles.....unless one side is America and the other Iraq....

Like I say the SU-30MKI will be able to release it's R-77 before the slower JF-17 can fire the SD-10. It is simple physics.

Also in BVR combat, it is standard practice to "ripple-fire" BVR missiles to increase the chances of successful hit.

 

[ziaulislam]

For Pakistan JF-17 is brilliant as they get a cheap 4th generation fighter that they are making inhouse and so developing their aerospace industry.

However it is not much threat to aircraft like F-16, J-10 and SU-30. I am not saying that a JF-17 can never shoot down a F-16, J-10 or SU-30 but it will be shot down many times more first before it gets one kill in return.

What's ur source? ...
Both PAF and CAC states other wise...

 

[UKBengali]

Attackers don't have advantage of home ground, PAF can wait for MKIs to come close 50km of border to launch JFTs while F-7s can be used as baits while SAMs can take care of other airborne threats.

At 200kms inside Indian border MKI MAWS can yell run for your life, get the point.

I am assuming everything is equal apart from the capaibilities of the two aircraft.

Yes, JF-17 will have a greater chance if it is defending Pakistan airspace due to the other assets.

What's ur source? ...
Both PAF and CAC states other wise...

PAF and CAC are not exactly neutral sources.

To date only cash-strapped Myanmar has brought JF-17 and that says a lot.

 

[Maarkhoor]

on a lighter note

the hazzards of employing non military actors in a military photo/ video shoot

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he has a hand held radio and a headphone

whats the use of his headphone then? I wonder what he is holding on his left hand? an iphone or his joystick?

Sir,
Headset for internal communication and also with pilots but handset is for ground staff.

 

[hussain0216]

To date only cash-strapped Myanmar has brought JF-17 and that says a lot.

Myanmar, Nigeria and ongoing negotiations with several nations

Negotiating, assessing and selling aircraft is something that happens over many years


JF17s have been pitted against Chinese's flankers and other aircraft, Saudi F15s, Turkish's F16s and that too only in the few months

The pilots are training hard and coming up with strategies to take on bigger planes

Pakistan has a better kill ratio compared to India, took on Soviets and came out better and our pilots even bested the Israelis

A ever improving JF 17s + PAF pilots is a lethal combination

 

[Jinn Baba]

It looks so lightweight with just the two BVRAAM seriously hope block three has ability to carry more payload!

 

[UKBengali]

Myanmar, Nigeria and ongoing negotiations with several nations

Negotiating, assessing and selling aircraft is something that happens over many years


JF17s have been pitted against Chinese's flankers and other aircraft, Saudi F15s, Turkish's F16s and that too only in the few months

The pilots are training hard and coming up with strategies to take on bigger planes

Pakistan has a better kill ratio compared to India, took on Soviets and came out better and our pilots even bested the Israelis

A ever improving JF 17s + PAF pilots is a lethal combination

I am not saying that for Pakistan and certain other nations(cash-strapped) that JF-17 is not a good choice.

Pakistan can make lots of cheap 4th generation fighters in house and also develop it's own aerospace industry.
For PAF, it is good to combine JF-17 with the larger and more advanced F-16. They can complement each other.

As for PAF versus Soviet Union, it was PAF F-16s against Soviet Mig-23s and so no surprise that PAF won. Things would have been very different if the Russians introduce the Mig-29 with the deadly R-73 and the BVR R-27 missiles into Afghanistan.

PAF has very good pilots for sure but the JF-17s will need to fly with F-16s if they are to take on the monstrously powerful Indian SU-30MKIs.

 

[Basel]

Do not include supporting stuff. Even Indian mig 21 have other supports but it can't make him better than f16

IAF upgraded MIG-21s will be good threat to F-16V on home ground.

 

[Sankpal]

Attackers don't have advantage of home ground, PAF can wait for MKIs to come close 50km of border to launch JFTs while F-7s can be used as baits while SAMs can take care of other airborne threats.

At 200kms inside Indian border MKI MAWS can yell run for your life, get the point.

It's not about other stuff, the about fighter ability.

 

[Basel]

It's not about other stuff, the about fighter ability.

Air wars now are not just fighter vs fighter.

 

[Sankpal]

Nope it doesnt....why does India want to buy gripen...j10 has better range and presumably a stronger radar but a lot of things will be similar to j10...paf needs a lot of finances to upgrades it's network and value added aircraft's (awecs, refuelers and EW)

Indian have more then 200 su30 mki fighters. HAL Tejas will replace second line fighters aircraft but for 1st line, India will have mki, rafele and new aircraft.

Same goes to Pakistan, jf 17 is good to replace 2nd line aircraft's but not fit to replace 1st line aircraft's even like f16

Air wars now are not just fighter vs fighter.

India should produce like mig 21 bison aircraft because it will have other supports?
Also US, China, Russia and other countries are fool who are going for advanced aircrafts?

 

[Trango Towers]

I hate to have to say this but it needs to be said...

Let us imagine 2 JF-17s against 2 SU-30MKIs head on, with AWACs coverage and so both are seen by the other side well outside the maximum range of their BVR AAMs.

JF-17 has top speed of Mach 1.6 and service ceiling of 17,000m
Su-30MKI has top speed of Mach 2 and also a service ceiling of 17,000m
Just the higher top speed of the Su-30MKI will allow it to release it's BVR AAMs at greater range as they would have greater kinetic energy when released.

JF-17 can carry 4 SD-10s
SU-30MKI can carry 10 R-77s.
SU-30MKI can fire many more R-77s whereas the JF-17 will run out of BVR AAMs much quicker in a BVR shoot-out.

Conclusion: SU-30MKIs will eat JF-17s for breakfast, lunch and dinner assuming the radar, EW and missiles are of similar standard.

How many will it require to take out an enemy. One lock on. One fired and generally one kill. If jf17 get close to you trust me you have no chance against PAF. They are masters of close combat and they will lure you in.
For the sake of sanity let's pray both nations resolve Kashmir never go to war but remain bitter rivals at cricket

 

[hussain0216]

I am not saying that for Pakistan and certain other nations(cash-strapped) that JF-17 is not a good choice.

Pakistan can make lots of cheap 4th generation fighters in house and also develop it's own aerospace industry.
For PAF, it is good to combine JF-17 with the larger and more advanced F-16. They can complement each other.

As for PAF versus Soviet Union, it was PAF F-16s against Soviet Mig-23s and so no surprise that PAF won. Things would have been very different if the Russians introduce the Mig-29 with the deadly R-73 and the BVR R-27 missiles into Afghanistan.

PAF has very good pilots for sure but the JF-17s will need to fly with F-16s if they are to take on the monstrously powerful Indian SU-30MKIs.

Its a good choice regardless, 5 blocks are envisioned over its life cycle with the plane adding more tricks as it matures

Sure it was envisioned as a fighter with high availability and reduced cost but it was always meant to take on the best

Between adding the necessary technological improvements and ever growing array of weapon's to developing the strategies to taking on the bigger planes

The JF17 was never meant to be a "support" fighter

I repeat we have taken on

Chinese flankers, J10s
Saudi F15s
Turkish F16s
ONLY in the last few months

We train our pilots hard against top class planes to work out the strategies of how we are going to defeat those planes


Underestimating the JF17 is probably its greatest strength

 

[UKBengali]

Its a good choice regardless, 5 blocks are envisioned over its life cycle with the plane adding more tricks as it matures

Sure it was envisioned as a fighter with high availability and reduced cost but it was always meant to take on the best

Between adding the necessary technological improvements and ever growing array of weapon's to developing the strategies to taking on the bigger planes

The JF17 was never meant to be a "support" fighter

I repeat we have taken on

Chinese flankers, J10s
Saudi F15s
Turkish F16s
ONLY in the last few months

We train our pilots hard against top class planes to work out the strategies of how we are going to defeat those planes


Underestimating the JF17 is probably its greatest strength

Pakistan has every reason to be proud of the JF-17 as it is the only Muslim nation that is manufacturing it's own 4th generation fighter aircraft.

However we need to be realistic here. The JF-17 is very small and so cannot hold a large radar(reduced range), cannot carry many BVR missiles(BVR missiles need to be rippled fired to increase successful hit) and also has a low top speed(higher speed allows the missile to travel further and so increases effective maximum range).

There is only so much that PAF pilots can get out of the JF-17.