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Could K-8 Karakorum work as BVRAAM carrier for JF-17?

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thank you sir but still a complex thing to develop
No, its not complex.

The Data Links in commercial aircrafts are hopeless, the VHF Datalinks (VDL series).
VDL-2 is widely implemented and it stands at 31.5 Kbps and uses PSK modulation with TDM/CSM techniques. 1997 technology.
VDL-4 is not fully implemented, it stands at 19.2 Kbps and uses FSK with S-TDM techniques. 2000 Technology.

The data rate of LINK-16 (80's -90's technology meaning 40+ years old technology ) is still higher. Now in Communication/Navigation/Surveillance Research world, proposals are coming up to shift Link-16 to commercial/private airlines.

Somebody in some other thread mentioned ADS-B for finding location of aircrafts. ADS-B is an un-secured protocol and aircrafts will have to transmit own location to get stamped on radar. Anybody can hack into ADS-B and its considered to be used with VDL-4, where as Link-16 is highly secure.

Link 17 is not applicable in between JF-17/K-8 combo only applicable to western fighter jets or am i wrong sir
who created Link-17 ?

@pakistanipower are you an electronics/electrical/telecom/aeronautical engineer by any chance ?
 
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@pakistanipower are you an electronics/electrical/telecom/aeronautical engineer by any chance ?[/QUOTE]
No sir i just software developer living in USA, But i have Plan to earn at least master degree in aerodynamics @Signalian
 
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@pakistanipower

Read This:

Pakistan’s Data-Links

The Pakistani military makes use of multiple data-link protocols. As details are very scarce, it will not be possible to cover all (or even most) of them, but a look at the Pakistan Air Force (PAF)’s tactical data-link (TDL) usage should offer an idea of how the military’s wider network capabilities function. The PAF’s primary TDLs are the Link-16 MIDS-LVT (Low Volume Terminal) and an indigenously developed solution, which we will refer to as “National Data-Link” (NDL).

Edit: i think NDL = LINK-17

The Link-16 is in use with the PAF’s F-16s and the NDL is in use with the JF-17, Mirage ROSE, and – presumably – F-7PG. The earliest official acknowledgement of the NDL occurred in 2010-2011 when the goal of developing an indigenous data-link solution was listed by the Ministry of Defence Production (MODP). By 2015, the system was in operational use on the JF-17. The Link-16 MIDS LVT and NDL are two separate networks, but it is likely that the PAF’s Erieye and ZDK03 AEW&C are being used to bridge them. As discussed above, this could occur by equipping the Erieye and ZDK03 with multi-link interface systems, which would enable them to receive and process information received from each of the networks in use by the PAF (as well as Army and Navy).

The use of data-link networks such as Link-16, NDL and others (such as the systems being used to network air surveillance radars) makes the PAF a true network-centric force. In practical terms, the PAF’s networked assets have the capacity to share and receive vital tactical information in at least near real-time, enabling them to react to emerging situations in a timely manner. Moreover, the availability of the NDL gives the PAF the flexibility to readily network future airborne assets at will, such as medium-altitude long-endurance (MALE) UAVs. The core technological expertise could be deployed to develop data-link solutions for the Army and Navy as well, if not already underway (or achieved). The software defined radios (SDR) used to support Pakistan’s indigenous data-links are sourced domestically and from overseas (from firms such as Harris as well as Rohde and Schawrz).

It will be interesting to see how the Army and Navy’s network-centric capabilities are developed. It is likely that the armed forces will adopt a model similar in concept to what is being deployed in the U.S. In other words, a combination of different networks with numerous ‘core’ assets, such as AEW&C and frigates, to bridge the Army, Navy and Air Force, especially during joint-operations. Perhaps there may even be an analogue to the U.S. Common Data-Link (CDL) system whereby the respective headquarters or command posts of each service arm can communicate and exchange real-time (or near real-time) data.

To further cement its network-centric nature, the Pakistani military ought to invest in acquiring a satellite communications (SATCOM) network. SATCOM enables the user’s networked assets to communicate and exchange data at beyond-line-of-sight (BLOS) range. In other words, at long-range and/or in the midst of heavy natural obstructions, such as mountains. For example, special forces operatives deep within enemy territory could radio vital information to the satellite, which in turn would relay that information to a frigate, which could then use that information as targeting data for its cruise missiles. SATCOM also enables militaries to deploy high-altitude long-endurance (HALE) drones, which could be used to engage in surveillance work as well as air strikes in high-risk environments. These are but a few examples, but it is clear that SATCOM would strengthen Pakistan’s network-centric warfare capacities at the tactical as well as strategic level.

It is without a doubt that Pakistan has made genuinely strong strides in the development of its network-centric warfare capabilities, especially through the development of domestic data-link networks. The success of these programs has enabled the armed forces to acquire valuable capabilities, such as time-sensitive targeting (TST), among others. In addition, Pakistan’s capacity to source domestic data-link solutions has enabled it the freedom to scale its network-centric goals according to its own interests. While there is still considerable room for growth (e.g. SATCOM), the armed forces’ communications capabilities today are indispensable and praiseworthy assets.

https://quwa.org/2016/03/27/pakistans-c4isr-part-4-communications-data-links/
 
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I have been wondering about lighter jets like BAE Hawk, K-8, and other training jets could carry BVRAAMS and fire them with JF-17s radar working as the plane firing the missiles.

SD-10- is an active radar-guided beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile developed by the People's Republic of China. It is considered comparable to the American AIM-120 AMRAAM and the Russian R-77.

Mass 180 kilograms (400 lb)
Diameter 203 millimetres (8.0 in)
Engine Solid fuel rocket
Operational
range

70–100 kilometres (43–62 mi)
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The carrying capacity of the K-8 is almost certainly enough to carry two SD-10s with some modifications. Egyptian K-8s have 4 hardpoints and it seems can carry 250kg Mk 82s.

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The JF-17 should in theory be able to have a data link with the K-8 and the ability to input inertial data for the SD-10 to be fired therefore only needing minor modifications.


JF-17 cockpit
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In theory, 1 JF-17, and 2 K-8s could go on a CAP with a total of 6 BVRAAMS and even possibly with an AWACS helping the JF-17 find targets. This would free up many JF-17s and F-16s and increase the number of combat sorties. The SD-10 is Fire and Forget which means that all 6 SD-10s could be fired simultaneously.
Why not the F-7 as well?
 
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@pakistanipower

Read This:

Pakistan’s Data-Links

The Pakistani military makes use of multiple data-link protocols. As details are very scarce, it will not be possible to cover all (or even most) of them, but a look at the Pakistan Air Force (PAF)’s tactical data-link (TDL) usage should offer an idea of how the military’s wider network capabilities function. The PAF’s primary TDLs are the Link-16 MIDS-LVT (Low Volume Terminal) and an indigenously developed solution, which we will refer to as “National Data-Link” (NDL).

The Link-16 is in use with the PAF’s F-16s and the NDL is in use with the JF-17, Mirage ROSE, and – presumably – F-7PG. The earliest official acknowledgement of the NDL occurred in 2010-2011 when the goal of developing an indigenous data-link solution was listed by the Ministry of Defence Production (MODP). By 2015, the system was in operational use on the JF-17. The Link-16 MIDS LVT and NDL are two separate networks, but it is likely that the PAF’s Erieye and ZDK03 AEW&C are being used to bridge them. As discussed above, this could occur by equipping the Erieye and ZDK03 with multi-link interface systems, which would enable them to receive and process information received from each of the networks in use by the PAF (as well as Army and Navy).

The use of data-link networks such as Link-16, NDL and others (such as the systems being used to network air surveillance radars) makes the PAF a true network-centric force. In practical terms, the PAF’s networked assets have the capacity to share and receive vital tactical information in at least near real-time, enabling them to react to emerging situations in a timely manner. Moreover, the availability of the NDL gives the PAF the flexibility to readily network future airborne assets at will, such as medium-altitude long-endurance (MALE) UAVs. The core technological expertise could be deployed to develop data-link solutions for the Army and Navy as well, if not already underway (or achieved). The software defined radios (SDR) used to support Pakistan’s indigenous data-links are sourced domestically and from overseas (from firms such as Harris as well as Rohde and Schawrz).

It will be interesting to see how the Army and Navy’s network-centric capabilities are developed. It is likely that the armed forces will adopt a model similar in concept to what is being deployed in the U.S. In other words, a combination of different networks with numerous ‘core’ assets, such as AEW&C and frigates, to bridge the Army, Navy and Air Force, especially during joint-operations. Perhaps there may even be an analogue to the U.S. Common Data-Link (CDL) system whereby the respective headquarters or command posts of each service arm can communicate and exchange real-time (or near real-time) data.

To further cement its network-centric nature, the Pakistani military ought to invest in acquiring a satellite communications (SATCOM) network. SATCOM enables the user’s networked assets to communicate and exchange data at beyond-line-of-sight (BLOS) range. In other words, at long-range and/or in the midst of heavy natural obstructions, such as mountains. For example, special forces operatives deep within enemy territory could radio vital information to the satellite, which in turn would relay that information to a frigate, which could then use that information as targeting data for its cruise missiles. SATCOM also enables militaries to deploy high-altitude long-endurance (HALE) drones, which could be used to engage in surveillance work as well as air strikes in high-risk environments. These are but a few examples, but it is clear that SATCOM would strengthen Pakistan’s network-centric warfare capacities at the tactical as well as strategic level.

It is without a doubt that Pakistan has made genuinely strong strides in the development of its network-centric warfare capabilities, especially through the development of domestic data-link networks. The success of these programs has enabled the armed forces to acquire valuable capabilities, such as time-sensitive targeting (TST), among others. In addition, Pakistan’s capacity to source domestic data-link solutions has enabled it the freedom to scale its network-centric goals according to its own interests. While there is still considerable room for growth (e.g. SATCOM), the armed forces’ communications capabilities today are indispensable and praiseworthy assets.

https://quwa.org/2016/03/27/pakistans-c4isr-part-4-communications-data-links/
thank you sir so it is modified link-16 data link
 
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Forget Both, its better to get UCAVs.

and best to research in 6th gen Un-manned fighters.
I suggesting to @Philip the Arab suggestion we will use JF-17+K-8 combo but JF-17+F-7 combo is more safer then K-8+JF-17, we are just starting developing 5th gen jets (PROJECT AZM) its take lot of time develop 5th gen jets i thinks that our 5th gen fighter jet will be ready for 1st flight as early as after 2030 as my best guesstimate, we will able to develop 6th gen jets after 2050 in my best opinions @Signalian sir
 
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