Could K-8 Karakorum work as BVRAAM carrier for JF-17?

[GriffinsRule]

Uh,? Only a few pilots and crew would be needed on AWACS and a couple of drones carrying BVRAAMs. All of the UCAVs would be controlled from the ground as I said and communication between drone ground stations, and AWACS concerning Indian aerial target data being gathered and sent to drones directly which leads to drone operators dropping missiles which would fly towards targets and drones could return to base. Losing one UCAV means nothing compared to a fighter pilot.

Philip, your idea of a wide search radar on an AWACS acting as a targeting radar is not viable imo as they serve different functions. If you want the AWACS to be used to lock targets, if might lose its primary function and that would defeat its purpose.

As an example, look at how missile systems work S300. They generally have a large VHF radar with say a 1000km range. Then they have additional radars with much shorter ranges to actually guide the missiles. The main radar feeds the preliminary information about location, direction etc of the target and continues its primary function of monitoring the airspace. The second radar then takes over with that target approx information that allows it to use focused beams in a much smaller space to locate and track that target and engage it at the appropriate ranges.

Thats how information is also passed on to fighter jets from AEW and AWACS. They tell the jets of the enemy location so the fighter keeps its radar off while getting a picture of the battlefield from the eye in the sky. Once they are ready to engage whichever target, they turn on their radar to get a lock and fire.

That is my rudimentary understanding of how it happens. So I would say forget about AWACS trying to use K-8s or drones to launch A-A weapons. Its not going to happen

 

[Ultima Thule]

Uh,? Only a few pilots and crew would be needed on AWACS and a couple of drones carrying BVRAAMs. All of the UCAVs would be controlled from the ground as I said and communication between drone ground stations, and AWACS concerning Indian aerial target data being gathered and sent to drones directly which leads to drone operators dropping missiles which would fly towards targets and drones could return to base. Losing one UCAV means nothing compared to a fighter pilot.

For engaging the targets AWACS needs pencil or narrow beams to guide BVR just like modren SAMs but Currently AWACS don't have this capability to produce pencil beam radio waves to guide BVR to the target @Philip the Arab

 

[Philip the Arab]

For engaging the targets AWACS needs pencil or narrow beams to guide BVR just like modren SAMs but Currently AWACS don't have this capability to produce pencil beam radio waves to guide BVR to the target @Philip the Arab

Read post #1697.
Could JF-17 work for this?
Track while Scan could work right? 10 targets tracked at the same time.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Could JF-17 work? It could use weapons on K-8 and launch it from the plane itself thereby increasing BVRAAM capability of PAF against a much more armed enemy. The SD-10 is fire-and-forget after all. Datalink with K-8 would be needed and the ability to input inertial data for firing. 2 K-8 Karakorums and 1 JF-17 could carry 6 AMRAAMS in total and save other JF-17s from having to fly CAP missions.

K-8 certainly seems like it could carry two 180kg PL-10s.

it more suited for advance training and its main job is training if we lose valuable PAF asset its more suited close air support for low intensity warfare rather long range BVR launcher @Philip the Arab

Read post #1697.
Could JF-17 work for this?
Track while Scan could work right? 10 targets tracked at the same time.

If JF-17 track 10 target then why it couldn't BVR Fight (JF-17 MAIN JOB/MISSION TO DEFEND PAKISTANI AIRSPACE ALONG WITH F-16) @Philip the Arab

 

[Philip the Arab]

it more suited for advance training and its main job is training if we lose valuable PAF asset its more suited close air support for low intensity warfare rather long range BVR launcher @Philip the Arab


If JF-17 track 10 target then why it couldn't BVR Fight (JF-17 MAIN JOB/MISSION TO DEFEND PAKISTANI AIRSPACE ALONG WITH F-16) @Philip the Arab

I know that is JF-17s main job but it alone can only carry two BVRAAMs against an enemy that outnumbers Pakistan in modern aircraft that are in heavier class altogether. Just think how many more CAPs could be done with 2 K-8 Karakorum flying with 1 JF-17. Even a cadet can fly Karakorum in combat.

 

[Ultima Thule]

I know that is JF-17s main job but it alone can only carry two against an enemy that outnumbers Pakistan in modern aircraft that are in heavier class altogether. Just think how many more CAPs could be done with 2 K-8 Karakorum flying with 1 JF-17. Even a cadet can fly Karakorum in combat.

And this cadet will have no experience in BVR fight @Philip the Arab there are other way to neutralize bigger enemy like Saturation BVR fight to disperse enemy @Philip the Arab

 

[Philip the Arab]

And this cadet will have no experience in BVR fight @Philip the Arab there are other way to neutralize bigger enemy like Saturation BVR fight to disperse enemy @Philip the Arab

It seems like you always want to disagree with me. Shall I make a separate thread on Pakistan Air Force and see if other members agree with me?

 

[Ultima Thule]

I know that is JF-17s main job but it alone can only carry two BVRAAMs against an enemy that outnumbers Pakistan in modern aircraft that are in heavier class altogether. Just think how many more CAPs could be done with 2 K-8 Karakorum flying with 1 JF-17. Even a cadet can fly Karakorum in combat.

2-4 carried their are lots of tactics against bigger enemy to overcome with @Philip the Arab

 

[Philip the Arab]

2-4 carried their are lots of tactics against bigger enemy to overcome with @Philip the Arab

Ok, I am going to make a dedicated thread on Pakistan Air Force and see if other members agree with me and disagree with you.

 

[Ultima Thule]

It seems like you always want to disagree with me. Shall I make a separate thread on Pakistan Air Force and see if other members agree with me?

no if bring some sane idea i will agree you but your drone+AWACS theories of your nothing possible with current technical capability of the world @Philip the Arab

Ok, I am going to make a dedicated thread on Pakistan Air Force and see if other members agree with me and disagree with you.

ok just open it and lets see what opinion PDF member for your drone+AWAWCS theories @Philip the Arab

 

[Philip the Arab]

no if bring some sane idea i will agree you but your drone+AWACS theories of your nothing possible with current technical capability of the world @Philip the Arab


ok just open it and lets see what opinion PDF member for your drone+AWAWCS theories @Philip the Arab

No, I'm going to change it to JF-17+K-8 Karakorum.

 

[khansaheeb]

I have been wondering about lighter jets like BAE Hawk, K-8, and other training jets could carry BVRAAMS and fire them with JF-17s radar working as the plane firing the missiles.

SD-10- is an active radar-guided beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile developed by the People's Republic of China. It is considered comparable to the American AIM-120 AMRAAM and the Russian R-77.

Mass 180 kilograms (400 lb)
Diameter 203 millimetres (8.0 in)
Engine Solid fuel rocket
Operational
range
70–100 kilometres (43–62 mi)

\

The carrying capacity of the K-8 is almost certainly enough to carry two SD-10s with some modifications. Egyptian K-8s have 4 hardpoints and it seems can carry 250kg Mk 82s.

The JF-17 should in theory be able to have a data link with the K-8 and the ability to input inertial data for the SD-10 to be fired therefore only needing minor modifications.


JF-17 cockpit

In theory, 1 JF-17, and 2 K-8s could go on a CAP with a total of 6 BVRAAMS and even possibly with an AWACS helping the JF-17 find targets. This would free up many JF-17s and F-16s and increase the number of combat sorties. The SD-10 is Fire and Forget which means that all 6 SD-10s could be fired simultaneously.

Making the K8 pilotless is a good idea and could be monitored and controlled by either a ground station or JF17.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Making the K8 pilotless is a good idea and could be monitored and controlled by either a ground station or JF17.

It is a good idea but it will take a good amount of time to develop. Working with Chinese I am sure that a datalink between aircraft could be developed with a year or two. Even a cadet could fly the aircraft and combat, and as I said engage Indian aircraft. It would free up both and F-16s and JF-17s could do CAPs in other areas, and do strike missions inside of India.

 

[Mrc]

U need a heavy drone to shadow the fighter roughly and that drone can b controlled by fighter which can also use its radar and launch missiles from drone on target air or ground.... Thus increasing carrying capacity plus drone can go into heavily defended areas and drop ordinance

 

[Philip the Arab]

U need a heavy drone to shadow the fighter roughly and that drone can b controlled by fighter which can also use its radar and launch missiles from drone on target air or ground.... Thus increasing carrying capacity plus drone can go into heavily defended areas and drop ordinance

This will take a long time, and it is best to leave projects like this to China. My idea is easy, and could be done very quickly.