Could K-8 Karakorum work as BVRAAM carrier for JF-17?

[Ultima Thule]

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/coul...vraam-carrier-for-jf-17.635672/#post-11771523

ITS more secured that K-8 could be UNMANNED @Philip the Arab

 

[Philip the Arab]

Its radar frequency overlap problem between K-8/JF-17 its complex things to be solved and data links are not easy job to develop by Pakistan unless China help us, its more secure that UNMANNED K-8 will do the job just like Chinese develop UNMANNED HIGH SPEED DRONE (SUICIDE) BASED ON CHINESE F-6 (MIG-19 CLONE) @Philip the Arab

I agree, an unmanned system seems better but will be a lot more expensive.

Nope, Skilled labour is cheap and so design, development and manufacturing can be accomplished at a fraction of the cost of the western counterparts. We have small IC chip fabrication plants so designing the electronics is not an issue. It just needs a military decision to start and some arms twisting of politicians.

It will be much more expensive than integrating a data link and SD-10s on a K-8. China would be cheaper because you wouldn't need to pay for R&D and other associated costs.

 

[Ultima Thule]

I agree, an unmanned system seems better but will be a lot more expensive.

No if china help us for developing technology for for BIG high speed UCAV it will be within the reach of Pakistan armed forces budget we replacing F-7 to JF-17 if we can make F-7 unmanned high speed drone then it will more chances to survive in a BVR launch plate form then K-8 @Philip the Arab

 

[Signalian]

It is a good idea but it will take a good amount of time to develop. Working with Chinese I am sure that a datalink between aircraft could be developed with a year or two. Even a cadet could fly the aircraft and combat, and as I said engage Indian aircraft. It would free up both and F-16s and JF-17s could do CAPs in other areas, and do strike missions inside of India.

Link-17

I have been wondering about lighter jets like BAE Hawk, K-8, and other training jets could carry BVRAAMS and fire them with JF-17s radar working as the plane firing the missiles.

SD-10- is an active radar-guided beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile developed by the People's Republic of China. It is considered comparable to the American AIM-120 AMRAAM and the Russian R-77.

Mass 180 kilograms (400 lb)
Diameter 203 millimetres (8.0 in)
Engine Solid fuel rocket
Operational
range
70–100 kilometres (43–62 mi)

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The carrying capacity of the K-8 is almost certainly enough to carry two SD-10s with some modifications. Egyptian K-8s have 4 hardpoints and it seems can carry 250kg Mk 82s.

The JF-17 should in theory be able to have a data link with the K-8 and the ability to input inertial data for the SD-10 to be fired therefore only needing minor modifications.


JF-17 cockpit

In theory, 1 JF-17, and 2 K-8s could go on a CAP with a total of 6 BVRAAMS and even possibly with an AWACS helping the JF-17 find targets. This would free up many JF-17s and F-16s and increase the number of combat sorties. The SD-10 is Fire and Forget which means that all 6 SD-10s could be fired simultaneously.

Rate of climb and service altitude needs to be higher

 

[Ultima Thule]

Link-17



Rate of climb and service altitude needs to be higher

Not useful in between JF-17/K-8 sir

 

[GriffinsRule]

Could JF-17 work? It could use weapons on K-8 and launch it from the plane itself thereby increasing BVRAAM capability of PAF against a much more armed enemy. The SD-10 is fire-and-forget after all. Datalink with K-8 would be needed and the ability to input inertial data for firing. 2 K-8 Karakorums and 1 JF-17 could carry 6 BVRAAMS in total and save other JF-17s from having to fly CAP missions.

K-8 certainly seems like it could carry two 180kg PL-10s.

For that, K-8 would need a radar which it lacks. Any jet can carry a IR short-range missile. It will also be easily shot down by enemy fighters and being a subsonic plane limited in every regard against even a Mig-21. Not a plausible idea. In reality if there comes a time where PAF finds itself dependent on the K-8 for A-A missions, it has already lost the war.

 

[Signalian]

Not useful in between JF-17/K-8 sir

whats not useful ?

 

[Ultima Thule]

whats not useful ?

Link 17 sir

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

I have been wondering about lighter jets like BAE Hawk, K-8, and other training jets could carry BVRAAMS and fire them with JF-17s radar working as the plane firing the missiles.

SD-10- is an active radar-guided beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile developed by the People's Republic of China. It is considered comparable to the American AIM-120 AMRAAM and the Russian R-77.

Mass 180 kilograms (400 lb)
Diameter 203 millimetres (8.0 in)
Engine Solid fuel rocket
Operational
range
70–100 kilometres (43–62 mi)

\

The carrying capacity of the K-8 is almost certainly enough to carry two SD-10s with some modifications. Egyptian K-8s have 4 hardpoints and it seems can carry 250kg Mk 82s.

The JF-17 should in theory be able to have a data link with the K-8 and the ability to input inertial data for the SD-10 to be fired therefore only needing minor modifications.


JF-17 cockpit

In theory, 1 JF-17, and 2 K-8s could go on a CAP with a total of 6 BVRAAMS and even possibly with an AWACS helping the JF-17 find targets. This would free up many JF-17s and F-16s and increase the number of combat sorties. The SD-10 is Fire and Forget which means that all 6 SD-10s could be fired simultaneously.

Your on to something, a rough idea but its definitely an idea. Something like a "semi-free" launching pod, flying along the jet. Like a suppy vessel but it acts like a machine gun

Its radar frequency overlap problem between K-8/JF-17 its complex things to be solved and data links are not easy job to develop by Pakistan unless China help us, its more secure that UNMANNED K-8 will do the job just like Chinese develop UNMANNED HIGH SPEED DRONE (SUICIDE) BASED ON CHINESE F-6 (MIG-19 CLONE) @Philip the Arab

What if it's not a plane but a drone with a jet engine. That's linked to the plane's systems via wireless communications.

 

[Philip the Arab]

For that, K-8 would need a radar which it lacks. Any jet can carry a IR short-range missile. It will also be easily shot down by enemy fighters and being a subsonic plane limited in every regard against even a Mig-21. Not a plausible idea. In reality if there comes a time where PAF finds itself dependent on the K-8 for A-A missions, it has already lost the war.

It would not need a radar. K-8 could interface with JF-17s radar thereby using the JF-17 for inputting inertial data for SD-10 to launch as it is a ARH missile after all. It would be a datalink so it would be possible in long range engagements.

 

[Signalian]

Link 17 sir

how is it not useful

 

[Philip the Arab]

Your on to something, a rough idea but its definitely an idea. Something like a "semi-free" launching pod, flying along the jet. Like a suppy vessel but it acts like a machine gun


What if it's not a plane but a drone with a jet engine. That's linked to the plane's systems via wireless communications.

We discussed that earlier but I think it will take 5-10 years and also be more expensive than what I said.

 

[Ultima Thule]

What if it's not a plane but a drone with a jet engine. That's linked to the plane's systems via wireless communications.

Just like RAFALE+NEURON combo, yes it is possible bro

We discussed that earlier but I think it will take 5-10 years and also be more expensive than what I said.

Its almost finished by France RAFALE+ NEURON combo bro, tech is there and much easier then 2 piloted Vehicle then 1 Piloted jet and other jet powered UCAV @Philip the Arab

how is it not useful

Link 17 is not applicable in between JF-17/K-8 combo only applicable to western fighter jets or am i wrong sir

 

[Signalian]

Its radar frequency overlap problem between K-8/JF-17

Using a modulation technique such as (Phase-shift keying (PSK) Frequency-shift keying (FSK) Amplitude-shift keying (ASK) On-off keying (OOK),Quadrature amplitude modulation (QAM), a combination of PSK and ASK or Continuous phase modulation (CPM) ) and then the required multiplexing technique such as( TDM/FDM/WDM/S-TDM/AS-TDM), a system can be designed with secure protocols that there wont be any interference in frequency domain.

If JF-17 is able to communicate with AWACs and other JF-17's then communication with other types of aircrafts like K-8 shouldn't be an issue. Install the correct modules of the Data Link Equipment.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Using a modulation technique such as (Phase-shift keying (PSK) Frequency-shift keying (FSK) Amplitude-shift keying (ASK) On-off keying (OOK),Quadrature amplitude modulation (QAM), a combination of PSK and ASK or Continuous phase modulation (CPM) ) and then the required multiplexing technique such as( TDM/FDM/WDM/S-TDM/AS-TDM), a system can be designed with secure protocols that there wont be any interference in frequency domain.

If JF-17 is able to communicate with AWACs and other JF-17's then communication with other types of aircrafts like K-8 shouldn't be an issue. Install the correct modules of the Data Link Equipment.

thank you sir but still a complex thing to develop