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Could K-8 Karakorum work as BVRAAM carrier for JF-17?

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  1. Philip the Arab

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    Can't drones launch BVRAAMs and let AWACS guide them to target?

    Could JF-17 work? It could use weapons on K-8 and launch it from the plane itself thereby increasing BVRAAM capability of PAF against a much more armed enemy. The SD-10 is fire-and-forget after all. Datalink with K-8 would be needed and the ability to input inertial data for firing. 2 K-8 Karakorums and 1 JF-17 could carry 6 BVRAAMS in total and save other JF-17s from having to fly CAP missions.

    K-8 certainly seems like it could carry two 180kg PL-10s.
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    I have been wondering about lighter jets like BAE Hawk, K-8, and other training jets could carry BVRAAMS and fire them with JF-17s radar working as the plane firing the missiles.

    SD-10- is an active radar-guided beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile developed by the People's Republic of China. It is considered comparable to the American AIM-120 AMRAAM and the Russian R-77.

    Mass 180 kilograms (400 lb)
    Diameter 203 millimetres (8.0 in)
    Engine Solid fuel rocket
    Operational
    range

    70–100 kilometres (43–62 mi)
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    The carrying capacity of the K-8 is almost certainly enough to carry two SD-10s with some modifications. Egyptian K-8s have 4 hardpoints and it seems can carry 250kg Mk 82s.

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    The JF-17 should in theory be able to have a data link with the K-8 and the ability to input inertial data for the SD-10 to be fired therefore only needing minor modifications.


    JF-17 cockpit
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    In theory, 1 JF-17, and 2 K-8s could go on a CAP with a total of 6 BVRAAMS and even possibly with an AWACS helping the JF-17 find targets. This would free up many JF-17s and F-16s and increase the number of combat sorties. The SD-10 is Fire and Forget which means that all 6 SD-10s could be fired simultaneously.
     
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    In future yes .. And this should be possible
     
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    Their is not air combat UCAV in any air force, all UCAV only intended for ground attack, close air support, even USAF don't have air combat drone at its arsenal @Philip the Arab
     
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    Do you actually think it would be that hard? All that would be needed was a data link between AWACS, and drone and the ability for AWACS to guide SARH missile until ARH seeker turns on. You can probably even use very long range missile like PL-15.
     
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    I thought he meant designating all targets at the same time but F&F would be much easier considering continuous guidance isn't needed.




    I have noticed that Russian RWR get top priority for aerial radars and ignore ground based radars so can't cheap radar be integrated on small drone and distract SU-30 from engaging SAMs?
     
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    its already old technology RAFALE has that capability to engage 6 target simultaneously as well as F-14 had have this technology to engage 6 targets simultaneously with its lang rang AIM-154 Phonix BVR @Mrc
     
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    He is talking about drones launching A2A missiles but letting AWACS guide instead of needing its own radar.
     
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    Fighter jets radars can detect/track 30/40 enemy jets and then radar automatically prioritize/show 6 most dangerous targets to pilots and are talking about IFF (Identification between friend and foe system) @Philip the Arab
     
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    No its not possible currently radar ange of any projected UCAV didn't reach a Beyond visual level for near future for sure unless UCAV will be the size of fighter jets like F-16/F-15 @Philip the Arab
     
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    It could work if UCAV doesn't actually have its own radar but relies on other fighter jets and AWACS to guide the missiles and input inertial data for it.
    SD-10 missile is 200kg each so all that would be needed is getting drone 600-800 kg to hold even two of them each at a much cheaper price than any fighter jet.

    Even K-8 Karakorum could work if JF-17 acts as AWACS and has datalink. K-8 could probably carry at least a few SD-10s.

    @Bilal Khan (Quwa)
    You think K-8 Karakorum could work as I said?
     
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    And this CHEAP DRONE AIR SEARCH RADAR will NOT HAVE ENOUGH RANGE TO DETECT THREATS AT LONG RANGES HENCE USELESS FOR AIR COMBAT and by the way stick to the topic this thread is not for UAV UCAV DISCUSSION, THIS THREAD IS FOR JF-17 BLOCK-3 DEVELOPMENT @Philip the Arab :hitwall::hitwall::hitwall::crazy::crazy::crazy:
     
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    Allright, where should I post this if you want to discuss it more?
     
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    And mean design philosophy behind the UCAV/UAV DEVELOPMENT IS THAT NOT BRING YOUR PRECIOUS PILOTS/EQUIPMENT (FIGHTER JETS) INTO ENEMY HARMS WAY AND YOU NEGLECTING THAT FACT bro and KEEP YOUR STUPID THEORIES BY YOURSELVES, AIR FORCES OF THE WORLD KNOWS BETTER THEN BOTH OF US WHAT ARE THEY DOING @Philip the Arab
     
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    Uh,? Only a few pilots and crew would be needed on AWACS and a couple of drones carrying BVRAAMs. All of the UCAVs would be controlled from the ground as I said and communication between drone ground stations, and AWACS concerning Indian aerial target data being gathered and sent to drones directly which leads to drone operators dropping missiles which would fly towards targets and drones could return to base. Losing one UCAV means nothing compared to a fighter pilot.
     
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    There is a buddy UAV.under development in Russia and already taking its test flights. .. It will accompany fighters into combat basically as an air to air or air to ground ordinance carier. ...

    It looks like b2 bomber u can Google it
     
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