Indonesia asked for clarification on sinking of Vietnamese fishing vessel

[艹艹艹]

Indonesia asked for clarification on sinking of Vietnamese fishing vessel
May 14, 2020

A Vietnamese fishing vessel is sunk by an Indonesian vessel near Datuk Island in May, 2019. Photo by AFP.

Vietnam has asked Indonesia for clarification on the sinking of a Vietnamese fishing vessel last month, causing four Vietnamese fisher-people to go missing.

The Foreign Ministry has sent a diplomatic note to the Indonesian Embassy in Hanoi requesting Indonesia to search for the missing fisher-people and treat those it has arrested humanely, ministry spokeswoman Le Thi Thu Hang said at an online press meet Thursday.

Vietnam also requests that Indonesia investigates the matter carefully and deals strictly with organizations and individuals which are responsible for sinking the Vietnamese vessel.

An official Indonesian vessel chased down two Vietnamese fishing vessels with 14 fishermen on board in Indonesian waters on April 20, Hang said. A Vietnamese fishing vessel was sunk and four fisher-people have been missing since. The other vessel and crew were arrested.

Vietnam requests that Indonesia acts with care and restraint in dealing with matters regarding fishing vessels and fisher-people in a humanitarian spirit. Vietnam believes that authorities of both countries need to enhance cooperation to share information and resolve issues in a humanitarian spirit and in accordance with international law and practices as strategic partners and fellow ASEAN members, she said.

The Vietnamese Embassy in Indonesia visited the arrested Vietnamese fisher-people on May 5, and confirmed that they are mentally sound and in good health.

"Authorities of both countries have found the sunk vessel, but not the four fisher-people," she said.

 

[AUz]

Indonesia needs to partner up with the US and build massive naval+air force fleet to keep balance in the South China Sea.

If US is smart, it will offer Indonesia all the right incentives. Indonesia is a robust and largest regional power in Southeast Asia. It needs to accept this role

 

[Daniel808]

Indonesia needs to partner up with the US and build massive naval+air force fleet to keep balance in the South China Sea.

If US is smart, it will offer Indonesia all the right incentives. Indonesia is a robust and largest regional power in Southeast Asia. It needs to accept this role

Don't be naive like that
US is not stupid, and give free lunch to everybody.
Do u think US will give billions of free arms to indonesia, india, or phillipines.
Man..even they spanking their own allies to pay more for their own defence like cases in Japan, South korea, Germany.


And US also think twice if that like your wet dream, 'give indonesia free lunch'
Their closer allies like Singapore and Australia will object and not like to see that.

It will push Singapore and Australia to distance himself from US camp and make a friendlier relationship with China.
Which US will never want to see.
China will be waiting for that to happen

US until today still don't want to give indonesia F-35 and offering F-16 instead, even plea from indonesian officials. Only their prime ally like Singapore and Australia, allowed to operate F-35


You need to learn more about intrique in southeast asia relationship

 

[IblinI]

I don't see any vietnam members here, what happened?

 

[Indos]

Indonesia needs to partner up with the US and build massive naval+air force fleet to keep balance in the South China Sea.

If US is smart, it will offer Indonesia all the right incentives. Indonesia is a robust and largest regional power in Southeast Asia. It needs to accept this role

US-Indonesia strategic partnership

Well, US already see Indonesia as a close partner and US has actually offered some kind of strategic defense partnership recently but some how is rejected by Indonesia in order to keep our neutral balance stance between US and China. But of course if the situation is escalated in South China Sea, we would reconsider our current neutral position.

We have been partnered with US in many defense program like how recent development show US let the upgrade and mild life extension of 10 of our F 16 A/B in our home country under supervision of Lockheed Martin. This program will give valuable experience and knowledge to our Air Force technician and also our Aerospace company (Dirgantara Indonesia) engineers who are heavily involved in the program.

Not to mention our KFX/IFX program that also include Lockheed Martin as technical assistant. These program alone with so many sensitive technology being shared there has shown that in term of defense technology, our cooperation with US has already exceeded the country like Singapore and Australia. Singapore for instant still need to bring their F 16 to USA to be upgraded and as far as I know the program is still in very early phase.

US has given Indonesia a huge incentive economically when The Fed give our Central Bank 60 billion dollar Repo Line amid Covid 19 crisis that has been proven to be quite significant to bring market confident into our currency in the time we needed it the most. As you know, our currency feel deeply in the beginning of Covid 19 outbreak in our country. We havent use the money yet and I believe we are not going to use it since our Forex reserves is still adequate, but the facility is important to bring market confidence and strengthen our currency, Rupiah.

https://www.thejakartapost.com/news...-deal-with-us-fed-as-forex-reserves-drop.html

Navy and Air Force Program

In term of building our Navy and Air Force, I believe there is no free lunch here. It depends more on our financial capability then any thing else. Since SBY administration (2004-2014) until second term of Jokowi administration, our Navy is still undergoing modernization program and not yet thinking about fleet expansion except for submarine and missile boat. We still have 6 very old frigates and 32 ex East German ASW corvettes that needs to be replaced. Not to mention huge LST fleet that is very old.

Our Air Force I believe is not going to add any meaningful fighters either during Jokowi second term, except for the replacement of one F 5 squadron. It is because we are still focusing more on economic development. Furthermore, recent Covid 19 outbreak I think will make the emphasis on economic keep continuing, at least until the new administration comes.

Meaningful Air Force acquisition IMO will likely happen in the period of 2025-2029 where KFX/IFX program is expected to reach mass production phase inshaAllah. If on going renegotiation can reach satisfying result for both part, I believe we will keep our promise to buy at least 48 IFX fighter in this period. Other acquisition like military satellite, AWACS planes, meaningful acquisition of SAM system will likely to happen in the period of 2029-2034. So in my opinion, Indonesia can only pose meaningful military projection in the region starting at the year 2034.

How US views Indonesia

US views Indonesia as very important actor in South East Asia region and even has said explicitly that Indonesia is the leader in this region. This is why US is eager to have a strategic partnership with Indonesia and both country have upgraded their relationship into strategic partnership in 2015.

More on US view on Indonesia
https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-indonesia/

As I said in the beginning of this post, USA has actually offered closer relationship that can make international public view Indonesia as American Ally. USA through his ambassador has offered Indonesia help and asked to our security minister about what Indonesia want from USA in defending North Natuna Sea. Sadly, our security minister rejected the offer and I think it is not a wise thing to do, but it is still quite understandable from international politics point of view. It is because, once again, Indonesia wants to be seen as neutral power in the contested South China sea and want the tension to deescalate rather than escalating it further by signing a defense pact with USA and get enormous US help which show we are already in US camp.

Here is about the offer that is widely reported by our local media

https://nasional.kompas.com/read/20...ubes-as-untuk-atasi-persoalan-natuna?page=all

Indonesian F 35

Talking about Indonesia interest on F35, it is still being discussed by our President close staffs. Our Defense Ministry office has said it has interest on F 35 but currently we are still bounded with SU 35 contract. But the final say will be given by Jokowi himself since the decision I believe will effect our relation with Russia as well. It is because we have already signed SU 35 contract with Russia and those two fighter are the options to replace our F5 squadron.

I dont think Indonesia cannot buy F 35 since before giving those two options to President office, our Defense Minister has spoken to US Defense Minister. So it is impossible if Defense Minister suggest President to buy F35 if there is no green light from US.

 

[49savage]

Indonesia asked for clarification on sinking of Vietnamese fishing vessel
May 14, 2020

A Vietnamese fishing vessel is sunk by an Indonesian vessel near Datuk Island in May, 2019. Photo by AFP.

Vietnam has asked Indonesia for clarification on the sinking of a Vietnamese fishing vessel last month, causing four Vietnamese fisher-people to go missing.

The Foreign Ministry has sent a diplomatic note to the Indonesian Embassy in Hanoi requesting Indonesia to search for the missing fisher-people and treat those it has arrested humanely, ministry spokeswoman Le Thi Thu Hang said at an online press meet Thursday.

Vietnam also requests that Indonesia investigates the matter carefully and deals strictly with organizations and individuals which are responsible for sinking the Vietnamese vessel.

An official Indonesian vessel chased down two Vietnamese fishing vessels with 14 fishermen on board in Indonesian waters on April 20, Hang said. A Vietnamese fishing vessel was sunk and four fisher-people have been missing since. The other vessel and crew were arrested.

Vietnam requests that Indonesia acts with care and restraint in dealing with matters regarding fishing vessels and fisher-people in a humanitarian spirit. Vietnam believes that authorities of both countries need to enhance cooperation to share information and resolve issues in a humanitarian spirit and in accordance with international law and practices as strategic partners and fellow ASEAN members, she said.

The Vietnamese Embassy in Indonesia visited the arrested Vietnamese fisher-people on May 5, and confirmed that they are mentally sound and in good health.

"Authorities of both countries have found the sunk vessel, but not the four fisher-people," she said.

Job well Indonesia! Viet-Congs are an expansionist regime.

 

[cochine]

I don't see any vietnam members here, what happened?

Let Indonesia govt give the answer, we have evident for that our ship iwas in sea territory of Vietnam. we dont cared much what Chinese from Indo or China spammed here.

 

[riscol]

the chinese sink viet navy recently now indonesia's turn sink viet navy. poor vietnamese

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

I really like how they're presenting a united front against China. This behaviour is the best reason for China presenting incomparable strength in the South China Sea; once the other tiny countries see that there's no hope of confronting China, they'll turn on each other like starving dogs.

 

[cochine]

I really like how they're presenting a united front against China. This behaviour is the best reason for China presenting incomparable strength in the South China Sea; once the other tiny countries see that there's no hope of confronting China, they'll turn on each other like starving dogs.

against China expansion mentality of CPC is the rule of international law and all the people in the world.

 

[riscol]

viet navy never fails to make us laugh, keep on sinking

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

We already have a dedicated thread for this. Pls mod merge this post.

 

[flowerfan2020]

Indonesia has much more powerful navies compare to Vietnam. Vietnam will chicken out I sure.

 

[xuxu1457]

Every green point is a Vietnamese fishing boat, which is why other countries have expelled Vietnamese fishing boats.

 

[tower9]

Indonesia has much more powerful navies compare to Vietnam. Vietnam will chicken out I sure.

Not really. Vietnam will probably beat the shit out of Indonesia in a war. Confucian Asian cultures >>>> Other Asian cultures every time.