UAE Mirage to PAF and SH to IAF Extract

[Mani2020]

If this goes through it will give the PAF a massive boost. If PAF wants them and only the funding is holding back procurement, then i hope UAE gives you a loan.

but it will require alot of money for refurbishmnt and overhauling of these mirages,
if u have red the article published regarding the sale of UAE mirages it clearly stated that UAE made a deal with france UAE will buy Rafael only if French will help UAE to sale these used mirages to other country,
French will overhaul them n do othr stuff with these used mirages in ordr to sell these

 

[pak-yes]

If this goes through it will give the PAF a massive boost. If PAF wants them and only the funding is holding back procurement, then i hope UAE gives you a loan.

No funding is not holding back PAF.As PAF(Taiwan has also a chance but i think they don't trust french anymore.Besides French can't risk China's wrath) is the only Airforce which france can hope of selling these Mirages.

So these M2k9 will probably be sold around 20mils same price as Jf-17.These m2k9 are the most upgraded mirages ever built.

They already contain all the goodies including MICA for which PAF is paying 1 billion euro.For equipping JF-17.

 

[Mani2020]

No funding is not holding back PAF.As PAF(Taiwan has also a chance but i think they don't trust french anymore.Besides French can't risk China's wrath) is the only Airforce which france can hope of selling these Mirages.

So these M2k9 will probably be sold around 20mils same price as Jf-17.These m2k9 are the most upgraded mirages ever built.

They already contain all the goodies including MICA for which PAF is paying 1 billion euro.For equipping JF-17.

i dun thnk all the mirages are upgraded to 2000-9 level i red 20 Mirages are m2k9 single seater rest were upgraded to uncnfirmed version
secondly there are many thrd world countires who may want to buy them
secondly when Paf will have the same equipment for jf-17 block2 then why will they go for these mirages

 

[shanixee]

i dun thnk all the mirages are upgraded to 2000-9 level i red 20 Mirages are m2k9 single seater rest were upgraded to uncnfirmed version
secondly there are many thrd world countires who may want to buy them
secondly when Paf will have the same equipment for jf-17 block2 then why will they go for these mirages

u said when Paf will have eupment for JF 17 block 2....Sir its (will) talk abt today...just like mumbai attack and Indian airforce was on border will we ask them to wait until we get block 2...block 1 is not fully on duty as yet....we need something urgent to counter any unexpected threat

 

[pak-yes]

secondly when Paf will have the same equipment for jf-17 block2 then why will they go for these mirages

I don't understand why people just don't accept this fact.At this Point of time we have absolutely nothing in our inventory.Nothing.Those Old rusty F-16s or Those 60's and 70's era Mirages.Or JF-17 which Chinese themselves don't want.

You say Block 2 will be equivalent to m2k9.I say Block 3 will be barely equal to m2k9.And Even if we consider that Block 2 will be equal.Then my friend when are getting Block 2 tomorrow?.

Indians are getting new toys everyday.So i bet you on this thing.

Every Passing day Indians are getting restless for war.There Cold Start Doctrine shows the restlessness and Thrust of Indian High Command for War.

They are buying latest Hardware so they are getting confident.In Simple words sooner or Later Indians want War.This is the thing that those Isreali's have been teaching to Indians.

So If tomorrow war Starts.What Will our Air force have for fighting.???????

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I don't understand why people just don't accept this fact.At this Point of time we have absolutely nothing in our inventory.Nothing.Those Old rusty F-16s or Those 60's and 70's era Mirages.Or JF-17 which Chinese themselves don't want.

You say Block 2 will be equivalent to m2k9.I say Block 3 will be barely equal to m2k9.And Even if we consider that Block 2 will be equal.Then my friend when are getting Block 2 tomorrow?.

Indians are getting new toys everyday.So i bet you on this thing.

Every Passing day Indians are getting restless for war.There Cold Start Doctrine shows the restlessness and Thrust of Indian High Command for War.

They are buying latest Hardware so they are getting confident.In Simple words sooner or Later Indians want War.This is the thing that those Isreali's have been teaching to Indians.

So If tomorrow war Starts.What Will our Air force have for fighting.???????

Well Mirages have gone thru upgrades while they will still be able to play vital strategic roles as support aircraft to F16A/B , and our
F16 C/D, also the BVR missile are GAME CHANGER as far as our airforce is concered , 1 F16 might get 2-3 Indian kills due to BVR

The JF 17 thunder gives us a numerical advatage , and BVR , we should get about 30 JF17 Thunders inducted by end of 2010

Mirage 2000 are well , not ideal platform , but if we get 40 Mirage 2000 perhaps we can off load 20 of our old planes to third country like Leboon etc

 

[Mani2020]

then i thnk we all have to keep dreaming coz at the end of the day PAF will say we dont have enough budget to buy these thats the old story u look at the history Paf evaluated grippen,typhoon and even Rafale but at the end same statement we dunt have budget thats the thng where all Paf stories end

But i wish Paf will get m2k9

 

[pak-yes]

then i thnk we all have to keep dreaming coz at the end of the day PAF will say we dont have enough budget to buy these thats the old story u look at the history Paf evaluated grippen,typhoon and even Rafale but at the end same statement we dunt have budget thats the thng where all Paf stories end

But i wish Paf will get m2k9

I think you should read the Page 18 if you haven't.That should clarify your Doubts about Budget.

And As speculated earlier Those m2k9 no matter how much good they are.Will not be sold in excess of 20-25 mils even to a third world country.

Why because Mirage Production lines have long closed.And these French Weaponry just like any other Western Weapons requires quite much maintenance and spare parts.

And only Air Force in the world that specializes in spare Parts Cannibalizing is PAF .Proof our Ages Old Mirage III and Mirage V are still living.

 

[Mani2020]

I think you should read the Page 18 if you haven't.That should clarify your Doubts about Budget.

And As speculated earlier Those m2k9 no matter how much good they are.Will not be sold in excess of 20-25 mils even to a third world country.

Why because Mirage Production lines have long closed.And these French Weaponry just like any other Western Weapons requires quite much maintenance and spare parts.

And only Air Force in the world that specializes in spare Parts Cannibalizing is PAF .Proof our Ages Old Mirage III and Mirage V are still living.

yes i have already red that page ,no matter how many times u calculate that wat PAF has spent in last 2 decades it is off no worth as PAF ACM himslef claimed that they dunt have enough budget to buy european aircrafts

Mirage2k may cost 25 per piece but 60 (25) = 1500 million dollar, still a lot of money
I can only wish that it comes true,

 

[pak-yes]

Mirage2k may cost 25 per piece but 60 (25) = 1500 million dollar, still a lot of money
I can only wish that it comes true,

My friend we are going to spend 1 billion euros(Almost 1500 million dollars) for just Avionics and Missiles for 50 JF-17.from french.For the same avionics that m2k9 already have.

So what's the better deal.A whole Aircraft for 20 mills.Or just that Aircraft's avionics for 20mils???

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

My friend we are going to spend 1 billion euros(Almost 1500 million dollars) for just Avionics and Missiles for 50 JF-17.from french.For the same avionics that m2k9 already have.

So what's the better deal.A whole Aircraft for 20 mills.Or just that Aircraft's avionics for 20mils???

Where there is more % of $$$

 

[AVIAN]

I don't understand why people just don't accept this fact.At this Point of time we have absolutely nothing in our inventory.Nothing.Those Old rusty F-16s or Those 60's and 70's era Mirages.Or JF-17 which Chinese themselves don't want.

You say Block 2 will be equivalent to m2k9.I say Block 3 will be barely equal to m2k9.And Even if we consider that Block 2 will be equal.Then my friend when are getting Block 2 tomorrow?.

Indians are getting new toys everyday.So i bet you on this thing.

Every Passing day Indians are getting restless for war.There Cold Start Doctrine shows the restlessness and Thrust of Indian High Command for War.

They are buying latest Hardware so they are getting confident.In Simple words sooner or Later Indians want War.This is the thing that those Isreali's have been teaching to Indians.

So If tomorrow war Starts.What Will our Air force have for fighting.???????

There is no way in the world, Purchase of Fighter Jets can be indicative of using them for upcoming war that India wanted to start, it is purely for defensive Purpose Only.

 

[Mani2020]

My friend we are going to spend 1 billion euros(Almost 1500 million dollars) for just Avionics and Missiles for 50 JF-17.from french.For the same avionics that m2k9 already have.

So what's the better deal.A whole Aircraft for 20 mills.Or just that Aircraft's avionics for 20mils???

Exact number of jf-17 to b equipped with french avinoics is not stated anywhere the article claims 1 billion for between 50 to 100 fighters, secondly we cant scrap the jf-17 program we have no option other then to buy french avionics untill and unless China comes up with somethng better, plus it is also stated that these aircrafts will be exported with french avionics or chinese avionics according to the customer needs it will also open a good market for jf-17 where as u cant export m2k9 plus the avionics for jf-17 may result in TOT which in case of m2k9 will not b possible

 

[MZUBAIR]

There is no credible source that assures we are getting M2k from UAE or they offered these jets to PAF or PAF ever intrested.

 

[shanixee]

There is no credible source that assures we are getting M2k from UAE or they offered these jets to PAF or PAF ever intrested.

its old news almost a year back...Geo news reported that Pakistan will be getting Mirages from the UAE.....and sometimes Geo TV does comes with insite news..