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SAAB offers Gripen at half of Rafale cost, with full tech transfer, local production to India

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Then care to explain why BS dhona went all the way to Sweden and discussed this so called multi billion dollar contract ?

discussed and cried like a baby in Sweden about Saab used equipment and IAF got red butt

Because its his job to evaluate all major potential vendors.

Besides we are not crying we are warning & expelling them from all major contracts.

Countries who have money can afford to do this.
 
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Pakistan is one of the largest military customers for Sweden and SAAB. Why would they deny to Pakistan given that India does not buy anything from them ?

"A bird in the hand is always worth more than 2 in the bush.. always" and the Swedes have learnt this lesson with the way India has been pulling vendors to not sell to Pakistan but then end up with no orders from India either!

With China now surpassing Swedens technological levels and the Turks pretty close to them - SAABs problem now is to hold onto Pakistan as a customer - and not to play waste time talking down their biggest customers. Saab has the potential for sales of the Erieye-ER to Pakistan - why deny themselves that opportunity.
SAAB killed their chances when they supplied early warning systems to Pakistan.

Even they know they are out. They just got themselves out of multi billion dollar contracts.

We will most likely go with Rafale F4 variant.

Saab never had a chance in India - there is to much overlap with what India is trying to acheive with Tejas and the Gripen - and the Swedes know that.

And - no one is buying the "Indian" argument of "don't sell to Pakistan" and we may consider you as a vendor argument anymore.. no-one. The gold era of when that strategy worked is officially over now - i will grant you - it worked for a long time - but now - game over.
 
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Why is every White country is out to screw France, first US/Britain screwed France of their Sub deal with Australia and now Sweden is screwing France with their fighters. France is like Iran of Europe?

Bcz french like getting screwed 🤣. French play dirt durring their deals often giving kickbacks for govt to govt deal by passing tenders. You would rarely see french companies winning a tender via competitive bidding. French even pissed off US when they subsidised Airbus and some other defense contractor so that they can take away major contracts from US companies. This really pissed off US who are now trying to get even with french. This was long time coming for france bcz they ignored repeated warnings by violating WTO accords. It is not just Military contract but also civilian contracts. In African countries french are often found paying bribes to knock out their competition.
 
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Rumor mills say that GOI wants to replace MRCA tender with a contract for Tejas MK2. IAF on the other hand wants to order 90 more Rafaels under the aegis of MRCA.

I'd say that IAF is right to push for scrapping plans for Tejas MK2. HAL is terrible at manufacturing when it comes to quantity and quality. :undecided:
 
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New Delhi is of the view that it will be difficult to do business with a country that also arms the enemy.

Ok, then they should downgrade their ties with the US instead of licking its balls.
 
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In an interview to ThePrint, SAAB India CMD Ola Rignell highlights efficiency of Gripen, its offer to India, & the issues around its sales to Pakistan.

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A Saab AB Gripen E smart fighter aircraft on display during the Aero India air show at Air Force Station Yelahanka in Bengaluru in February, 2019 | Karen Dias | Bloomberg


New Delhi: As India looks to acquire 114 new medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) to shore up its depleting strength, Swedish defence major SAAB has pitched for a complete Transfer of Technology (TOT) and local production of its Gripen fighter jet at “half” the cost of French alternative Rafale.

SAAB India’s chairman and managing director (CMD) Ola Rignell made the cost claims in an interview to ThePrint, but added that he wouldn’t be surprised if India went in for additional 36 Rafale fighters in the coming years, circumventing the ongoing process to acquire new jets in larger numbers.

“India bought 36 Rafale fighter jets from France off the shelf. SAAB and Brazil also signed a contract in 2015 for the sale and local manufacturing of 36 Gripen. The cost was half of what the value of the Indian deal was,” said Rignell, referring to Brazil’s $4.68 billion deal with SAAB to manufacture the Gripen locally.

“We are setting up an entire aviation ecosystem in Brazil. And the experience and knowledge that Brazil is gaining from this manufacturing is being used by them to design their indigenous fighter aircraft,” the SAAB India CMD said.

In 2012, EADS’s Eurofighter and Dassault Aviation’s Rafale had emerged as the winner of the 2007 MMRCA bid, with the latter being the lowest bidder. But the contract negotiations got stuck over prices. Three years later, the Modi government cancelled the protracted talks and decided to buy 36 Rafale fighters in fly-away condition in a €7.87 billion deal.

Now, France is offering another 36 Rafale fighter jets in a government-to-government deal. But these numbers will not suffice in view of the Indian Air Force (IAF)’s MMRCA requirements.

During the interview last week, Rignell spoke about what the company is offering to India, his expectations, and the issue surrounding its sales to Pakistan.

‘Gripen cheaper than Rafale’
Speaking to ThePrint, Ola Rignell highlighted the efficiency of SAAB’s single-engine multirole fighter aircraft vis-à-vis the Rafale, which is being called a game changer for the IAF in the region due to its weapons package.

Gripen has the same weapons package as Rafale including the Meteor air-to-air missile, said Rignell.

“All NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organisation) missiles are integrated with the Gripen. The only one which is missing is SCALP because it is a French missile. But if India wants, we can integrate the SCALP also though Gripen already has a substitute,” said Rignell.

He pointed out that European missile manufacturer MBDA, which makes both Meteor and SCALP, actually found Gripen as the most mature jet to test their missiles on.

“MBDA ‘test beded’ the Meteor on a Gripen. They found the Gripen to be the most mature. Eighty per cent of Meteor firing tests took place from a Gripen,” he said.

Rignell added that Gripen will always be cheaper in comparison to Rafale in life cycle costs as well because of its single-engine build.

‘Would not be surprised’
SAAB’s India chief said the defence major is offering the best deal to the country, but he won’t be surprised if India opted to buy another 36 Rafale jet from France.

“I would not be surprised,” said Ola Rignell. But he noted that the additional 36 jets will not fulfill the IAF’s requirement.

“The original 36 Rafale was bought when the IAF needed 126 MMRCA. Now there is an RFI (Request for Information) for 114 aircraft. Additional 36 Rafale would still not fulfill what the IAF actually not just wants but needs,” he said.

India and France have already spoken about the latter’s proposal for 36 additional Rafale jets, but New Delhi hasn’t disclosed any information about such a move.

No fresh deal with Pakistan
While Saab is offering the Gripen fighters to India, it is also providing the early warning aircraft system to Pakistan — an issue that has upset the IAF.

Pakistan used the SAAB-manufactured early warning aircraft system to coordinate its attack on an Indian military installation in Jammu and Kashmir a day after the Balakot strike earlier in February.

During his visit to Sweden in June this year, Air Chief Marshal B.S. Dhanoa had expressed his displeasure with the defence major for supplying Pakistan with early warning systems and also offering Gripen fighters to India.

New Delhi is of the view that it will be difficult to do business with a country that also arms the enemy.

In a bid to pacify the IAF, Ola Rignell persisted that SAAB is not selling any new products to Pakistan.

He also pointed out that every contender has dealt with Pakistan, and other assets were also used in the post-Balakot action.

Pakistan had used French fighters Mirage as well American F-16s.

However, Rignell remained non-committal on future sales to Pakistan, saying the Swedish government decides on such matters and not the company.

“As far as I know, we are not selling any new products to that country (Pakistan). There is an old order and we are fulfilling our contract obligation,” Rignell said.

The Pakistan Air Force had ordered three new SAAB 2000 early warning aircraft in 2017 to supplement the ones that were destroyed in a terror attack on Minhas air base five years before that.

Rignell added that he was part of the meeting in Sweden when Dhanoa raised the issue and this is exactly what he had told him as well.

“We are trying to sell the latest AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control System) — Golden Eye — to India. We have sold them to UAE. (But) India is already working on its indigenous systems,” he said.

India operates the IL76 ‘Phalcon’ AWACS as well as the Embraer ‘Netra’ early warning aircraft.

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Pajeets always crying whenever they heard about any asset used by PAF against Them on 27 feb shameful defeat
 
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someone should tell this guy that one should NEVER call his product "CHEAPer" argh!!!!!!! you can say COST EFFECTIVE, ECONOMICAL, VALUE FOR MONEY, FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE and many other things but NEVER cheap!!!
 
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Rumor mills say that GOI wants to replace MRCA tender with a contract for Tejas MK2. IAF on the other hand wants to order 90 more Rafaels under the aegis of MRCA.

I'd say that IAF is right to push for scrapping plans for Tejas MK2. HAL is terrible at manufacturing when it comes to quantity and quality. :undecided:
we are enemy but if i was IAF i keep purchasing batch by batch rafales every few months . but india is messed up for purchasing . 15 years and 36 rafales .
 
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Maybe SAAB and Sweden needs to play the other way, threaten to supply offensive weapons to PAF and joining its defense programs such as Jf17, LRMP etc.
 
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The problem has always been the lack of education and skill in India. French had confirmed in the past that Indians are not ready to absorb ToT for Rafale. The same will be true for ToT from Sweden as well.
 
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Because its his job to evaluate all major potential vendors.

Besides we are not crying we are warning & expelling them from all major contracts.

Countries who have money can afford to do this.

You did that with Leonardo and they become close partners of Pakistani military so now you withdraw their black listing to give them incentives to stop them selling weapons to Pakistan, this is how low you Indians are
 
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In a bid to pacify the IAF, Ola Rignell persisted that SAAB is not selling any new products to Pakistan.

What new products can SAAB sell to Pakistan?
You did that with Leonardo and they become close partners of Pakistani military so now you withdraw their black listing to give them incentives to stop them selling weapons to Pakistan, this is how low you Indians are

These sanghis think they control the entire world.
 
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