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The Islamic World's Outrage Against India Won't Protect the Country's Muslims

Only the Indian constitution and PM Modi will protect them

It’s like expecting a rat to protect your grain harvest
Lol.. sometimes that's also needed. Modi needs Muslims to thrive. Only then the Hindus can give the votes. If u see the Muslims are getting equal treatment to Hindus now. So Hindus are saying are upset.

Muslims are not even equal to Dalits!

There is a strict hierarchy in India with Brahmins on top and Muslims and Dalits at the bottom.

Your crude quota system to mitigate the discriminatory affects of Hinduism doesn’t apply to Muslims.

Anyway, Modi will be eventually consumed by the hate he has unleashed. RSS foot soldiers are calling for his head and demanding he assumes his role as the “chaiwala”.

Popcorn time!!

I am just waiting for Pakistan to get dragged into this mess.

Stay out of it, bro!

When the enemy is pouring petrol on itself - you don’t need to step forward with a matchstick.
 
Indian Dalits and pasmanda Muslims are progressing faster than the Ashrafs of India and Pakistan. Soon you will see that indian pasmandas would have left Pak behind like the BD pasmanda Muslims. Brahmins are not on top in india. Its the so class backward and Middle class (like me) that's on top. Caste is followed by even Muslims of Pakistan and BD.

Dude!

India doesn’t have a class system. It has a caste system.

And no, Muslims don’t practice the caste system.

Genetic makeup of Hindu castes has been constant for about 3000 years.

Brahmins and Sudras, for example, have distinct genetic makeup. Which has remained constant for millennia.

You can identify a Indian person’s caste just by looking at their DNA. It’s freakishly accurate!!!

No such pattern found in Muslims of South Asia.

@Indos
@Bilal9
@Homo Sapiens
 
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Dude!

India doesn’t have a class system. It has a caste system.

And no, Muslims don’t practice the caste system.

Genetic makeup of Hindu castes has been constant for about 3000 years.

Brahmins and Sudras, for example, have distinct genetic makeup. Which has remained constant for millennia.

You can identify a Indian person’s caste just by looking at their DNA. It’s freakishly accurate!!!

No such pattern found in Muslims of South Asia.

@Indos
@Bilal9
@Homo Sapiens
Is this not accurate then?

 
That's the lie the peddle to u. Care system is prevalent among all religions in subcontinent. They call it by a different name . The Hindu community in india has done a lot to blur the lines. The Christian in South and Muslim ashrafs want to perpetuate it . Christians to get benefit and ashrafs to maintain their genetics a d use backward caste pasmanda for street power

You cannot deny science.

It’s a fact that you can identify an Indian persons caste by looking at their DNA.

Moreover, it has been constant for about 3000 years.

Only way you get that level of accuracy is through systemic practice over millennia.

Only way to escape the caste system is through conversion - backed up by extensive DNA evidence.
 
Only the Indian constitution and PM Modi will protect them

Which constitution, the generally progressive one that Ambedkar drafted or the Manusmriti which Modi's followers intend to replace the Dalit-turned-Buddhist Ambedkar's one ? :)

Anyway, Modi will be eventually consumed by the hate he has unleashed. RSS foot soldiers are calling for his head and demanding he assumes his role as the “chaiwala”.

I don't fault him for being a chai wala, I fault him for being a Hindutvadi. You shouldn't participate in Capitalist socio-economic oppression and discrimination against someone just because he is lower in the Capitalist socio-economic order than you.

India doesn’t have a class system. It has a caste system.

No, as a Communist I will tell you that India has both.

And no, Muslims don’t practice the caste system.

Unfortunately they do really in India and Pakistan when it comes to the question of marriage and burials. This is from India-administered Kashmir :

Javed Beigh​



Published on : 02 Jan, 2022, 7:30 pm 4 min read

Kashmir valley is supposedly a Muslim majority region, where technically caste related practices shouldn’t exist. But it is an open secret that Kashmiri Muslim society is among South Asia’s most Brahminical Muslim societies, where caste-based discrimination is rampant and omnipresent.

I personally came across one such extremely ugly incident few days back, when I was approached by many members of my village and area around saying that a poor Kashmiri Muslim family of potter caste (“Kumhaar”) was stopped by upper caste Kashmiri Muslims in a nearby village from burying their dead in the village graveyard, where mostly members from upper caste Kashmiri Muslims were buried.

I was not only shocked but also horrified to hear that such discriminatory and dehumanizing caste practices continue to exist in Kashmir valley in this age and in these times, especially in interior rural areas, where things haven’t changed for past many centuries. I tried to reason out with the upper caste Kashmiri Muslim members who were refusing burial of what they called was a dead member of “lower, dirty & polluted” caste, whose grave will violate sanctity of the (upper caste) graveyard.

Angry and outraged, I returned back to my home and went back live on Facebook and expressed my disgust and then declared that from henceforth I will drop my upper caste surname “Beigh” and will adopt “Kumar” surname in solidarity with the Kashmiri Muslim potter community, which often uses “Kumar” caste as their surname.

My statement received widespread appreciation and approval and immense support from a cross section of Kashmiri society including from Kashmiri Pundits and Kashmiri Sikhs. But this episode did leave a bad taste in my mouth and made me wonder, if we as a Kashmiri society are really the kind of God fearing and pious Muslims as we portray ourselves to be?

The bitter truth is that Kashmiri Muslims are the most Brahminical societies among all Muslim communities of South Asia in following “Chatur Varna” Hindu caste system. There is caste equivalent of all four Hindu “Varnas” (Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas & Shudras) among Kashmiri Muslims along with the existence of Kashmiri Muslim Dalits.

While most Muslims of South Asia deny the existence of caste system among South Asian Muslims as it goes against the egalitarian principles of Islam that promised an equal and casteless society to many of so called “lower caste” Hindu converts, the fact remains that Muslims of South Asia carried on with the Hindu Brahminical caste hierarchy with slight modifications. Academicians divide South Asian Muslims in two broad categories of “Ashraf” and “Ajlaf” that differentiates between so called “pure, fairer and superior” Ashrafi Muslims of foreign origin (Arabs, Turks, Persians, Afghans etc.) and Ajlafi Muslims of native South Asian and so called “less pure, darker and inferior origin.

Kashmiri Muslim society has remained more closer to the Hindu “Chatur Varna” caste order with its own slight modifications. In addition to ruling Sultans (Hindu Kshatriyas), top of the order of Kashmiri Muslim were/are so called “Syed / Pir castes” (Geelani, Jeelani, Bukhari, Qadri, Hamdani, Andrabi etc.), which are equivalent to Hindu Brahmins and South Asian “Ashrafi Muslims” as many of these Kashmiri Muslim families claim their origin to the family of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) or to Central Asian countries like Iran, Tajikistan and Afghanistan.

There are also Muslims converts from Kashmiri Pundit community as well as so called “Pathan” Muslims, who even though not Syeds/Pirs, still fall under this top order. Intermarriages among Syeds, Pirs, Kashmiri Pundit converts and Pathans are not uncommon.
Then there are Kashmiri Muslim caste groups, which can be classified as “middle castes” or “higher occupational castes”, which makes them equivalent to Hindu “Vaishya” Varna order (Wani, Zargar, Khandey, Lone, Ahangar, Naqsh etc.).

At the bottom of the hierarchy are Kashmiri Muslim caste groups which can be broadly categorized as equivalent to Hindu Varna “Shudra” or “lower occupational castes” (Waza, Chopan, Ganai, Dobi, Hajjam, Hanji, Bhand etc.).

Many of these Kashmiri Muslim castes would fall under OBC (Other Backward Classes) definition of the Constitution of India or “Pasmanda Muslims”, a term used by lower caste / OBC Muslim communities of North India, especially in states like UP and Bihar.

And finally, exactly reflecting the Hindu Brahminical “Chatur Varna” hierarchy are Hindu Dalit equivalent “Wattal/Sheikhs”, a Kashmiri Muslim community, which was traditionally involved in manual scavenging just like Hindu Dalits. This Wattal community is equal to what is defined as Scheduled Caste (SC) under the Constitution of India.

Discrimination against lower caste Muslims in graveyard burial is not something which is only restricted to Kashmir valley. It is an unfortunate and un-Islamic caste practice that is widely prevalent in other parts of India as well as in Pakistan.

It is not uncommon to find walled and segregated caste based grave yards in villages of north India, where each upper Muslim caste have their own caste biradari graveyards, where members only from their caste are allowed to be buried.

Members from lower Muslim castes are often violently prohibited from burying their dead in these graveyards, which are lined by cemented walls and closed & locked doors. Few months back, Pakistan’s Sindh province was rocked by an ugly controversy, when in order to expand marbled grave tomb of a famous Sindhi nationalist leader from Syed caste, 13 kacha graves of lower caste Muslims from Mallah (boatmen) caste were dug and then thrown in a single pit.

The move sparked a nation-wide protest in Pakistan and people were shocked to see that such un-Islamic caste practices continue to exist in Pakistan even in modern days.

It is clear that Kashmir valley has a serious problem pertaining to caste-based discrimination which is not only against the egalitarian principles of Islam but is also an unethical societal behavior, which has no place in modern civilization. Graveyards of Kashmir should not discriminate anyone on the basis of caste.
We as a Kashmiri people must acknowledge the existence of caste menace amongst ourselves and strive to uproot this vestige of bygone era.

Javed Beigh is General Secretary People's Democratic Front ( Secular ).
@Mentee @fitpOsitive @Bilal9, sad state ^^^.
 

So in “Democratic” and “secular” India - the treatment of its minorities depends on the actions of outsiders?
If it wasn't for America much of the world with identity issues would be all out massacring each other. Americans know Islamic world has pathetic third world values. A country which murdered and chopped the body of a peace loving journalist in its consulate is the custodian of the holy mosque.
 
Your reply to my quote- indian constitution. Although manusmrtoto is better than the sharia law that certain people want.


It is gradually being common among Hindus as well. This really proves that caste has nothing to do with religion.

Not a fan of shariah law. Don’t ever want it. Past its sell by date.

But it did provide a haven for Jews when they were hounded by Christians.

You “manusmrtoto” calls for the genocide of Muslims and ushered in NRC/CAA.

If it wasn't for America much of the world with identity issues would be all out massacring each other. Americans know Islamic world has pathetic third world values. A country which murdered and chopped the body of a peace loving journalist in its consulate is the custodian of the holy mosque.

Maybe America should protect it’s African Americans?

And Saudis are only where they are due to American protection.

Otherwise key sites would still be under the Turks.

Without American protection of the Saudis - Turks would assume their role as the leaders of the Islamic world.
 
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Is this not accurate then?


Ashraf and Ajlaf .......... I am reading this for the first time, never came across such castes or class(es) in real life. However, Pakistani society, given its backwardness and total lack of effort to understand Islam and its principles and quality education are divided, but it is not something on the lines of the religion that we follow (except for sects).
 
Your reply to my quote- indian constitution. Although manusmrtoto is better than the sharia law that certain people want.


It is gradually being common among Hindus as well. This really proves that caste has nothing to do with religion.

You are again denying science and DNA evidence.

As I said, only Hindus have maintained their caste DNA over 3000 years.

No such pattern found in Muslims!!
 
India has a law and don't displaybyoir ignorance on CaA and nrc. It needs to be implemented so that our commitment towards Hindus and extended to other minorities in sub vontinent is fulfilled

Hindu contribution to South Asia is the wretched caste system.

According to DNA evidence over a millennia - only way to escape it is through converting to the abrahamic faith.

Pls don’t deny science!!

Like Barak Obama, Colin Powell, Lloyd Austin, Clarence Thomas and many others? There is a point here. The law is not against African Americans. They have government Affirmative Action Program to uplift blacks.

Tokenism doesn’t hide the systemic discrimination.

And the regular flare up of violence along ethnic lines.
 

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