The Islamic World's Outrage Against India Won't Protect the Country's Muslims

[Indos]

It is gradually being common among Hindus as well. This really proves that caste has nothing to do with religion.

Can you post white skin Indian higher case female marrying Dalit entrepreneur ?

More like kind this Indian Indonesian feature

 

[Indos]

It is found in Muslims too the ashrafs are either from central Asia or converted Hindus. The proportion of Ashraf in Pak is higher. And the variation in gene pool in Pakistan is not much. In india vlearly the ashram are separate. In india the mixing has been in progress only recent decades and it will take centuries for a good mix to happen. So have patience.

https://static.theprint.in/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/cropped-512x512-180x180.png

What is Ashraf by the way ? That is just Arabic name

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Tokenism doesn’t hide the systemic discrimination.

Barack Obama was elected. America is a highly competitive society. There is very little or no space for tokenism. I don't think you have lived in America.

 

[BananaRepublicUK]

It is found in Muslims too the ashrafs are either from central Asia or converted Hindus. The proportion of Ashraf in Pak is higher. And the variation in gene pool in Pakistan is not much. In india vlearly the ashram are separate. In india the mixing has been in progress only recent decades and it will take centuries for a good mix to happen. So have patience.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theprint.in/opinion/pasmanda-muslims-missing-from-positions-of-power-waqf-board-to-jamaat-e-islami/746464/%3famp

Stop posting Hinduvta links!!!

Show me studies by reputable western genealogists!!!!

I will not let you deny science on a public forum!!

What is Ashraf by the way ? That is just Arabic name

Ashraf is a common surname in Bangladesh.

I have no idea what he is wittering on about!!!!

 

[BananaRepublicUK]

Barack Obama was elected. America is a highly competitive society. There is very little or no space for tokenism. I don't think you have lived in America.

Have not lived there.

But visit for work and have navigated many literal fires many times.

The level of hate and segregation along ethnic lines is scary.

Black neighbourhoods, white neighbourhood and Latina ones as well.

Each armed to the teeth and shooting on sight under “stand your ground laws”.

Anyway, you are derailing this thread!!!

 

[Bilal9]

What is Ashraf by the way ? That is just Arabic name

Ashraf means higher class (privileged/shareef) and Atraf/Ajlaf is underclass.

But no one in Bangladesh cares about these denominations anymore.

Bangladesh society is a meritocracy.

People can have money but only shallow people are impressed by money.

Uneducated people with money have no respect.

People actually respect education much more than money.

If you have money (over a few generations), AND come from a decent educated family AND are educated then you are very popular.

This is unlike in India where you will not even be offered tea in nice cups in higher caste houses - if you are of a lower caste.

Some Sanghis want to deny this, but this is all over Indian cinemas and social media....caste is a reality in India.

 

[beijingwalker]

Just now some Indian poster claimed that India is respected by the world... .lol

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Have not lived there.

But visit for work and have navigated many literal fires many times.

The level of hate and segregation along ethnic lines is scary.

Black neighbourhoods, white neighbourhood and Latina ones as well.

Each armed to the teeth and shooting on sight under “stand your ground laws”.

Anyway, you are derailing this thread!!!

African Americans were brought as slaves to America and do not want to go back to it. You are derailing the thread comparing Black Americans with Indian Muslims. The former don't face a fraction of the discrimination and abuse that Muslim Indians face. This is not the 19th or early 20th century. Americans have rights. They created today's world with civil rights movement, there is no comparison with a third world country like India and it cannot ignore what America has to say about human rights.

 

[Indos]

Ashraf means higher class (privileged) and Atraf/Ajlaf is underclass.

But no one in Bangladesh cares about these denominations anymore.

Bangladesh society is a meritocracy.

People can have money but only shallow people are impressed by money.

People actually respect education much more.

If you have money, come from a decent educated family AND are educated then you are very popular.

This is unlike in India where you will not even be offered tea in nice cups in higher caste houses - if you are of a lower caste.

Some Sanghis want to deny this, but this is all over Indian cinemas and social media....caste is a reality in India.

In what way Asraf is high class ?? I mean do they have prophet Muhammad blood ? As in Muslim if I am not mistaken it is called as Sharif.

Sharif for female will be Sharifah. Yup that name in Indonesia is nothing related to prophet Muhammad blood line, more into the meaning that is preferred by the parent

Like this Indonesian CNBC presenter, more look like Asian Mongoloid feature with no Arabic feature but her name is Sharifah

I think for Muslims, our class is more on economic class, but lower economic class women in Indonesia can still marry upper class men, particularly for middle/upper class men that like women with no demanding needs ( car, big house, etc ), and usually if the low economic class women is pretty.

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Hindu Punjabis in Indonesia prefer to marry another Punjabis

Manoj Punjabi ( His family has movie production company )

 

[Chat SAMOSA]

It’s not systemic because inter marriage is regular and common in Muslim community.

If it wasn’t, it would be supported by DNA evidence.

May be it's different in Pakistan but in India regardless of religion, castes exist. They do mix and it is illegal to forcibly prevent inter caste mixup but what is the pressing case for caste mixup? Don't birds of the same feather flock together in nature?

 

[BananaRepublicUK]

Do u deny creationism . Do you deny that Adam and eve was created by God.
The print is not hindutva link, it's a reputed news channel. Western sources are woke and unreliable for both sides. You can deny the existence of caste within Muslims but science doesn't.

If you want to discuss creationism - create a thread on it.

Don’t derail this thread.

DNA evidence clearly proves that the only way to escape the wretched Hindu caste system is through “love jihad”.

 

[Indos]

Don't display ignorance. Caste system was a problem in india like racism I west. Its like saying Islam contribution is terrorism

Stupid analogy. Caste system is created by Hindu as religion, while Islam never support terrorism.

Islam civilization is among the first who admit diversity in term of race and religion and push for freedom of religion as it has several famous verses saying so like " My religion is mine, and your religion is yours" and " There is no compulsion in religion "

Terrorism in Islam is due to low understanding in Islam and basically has been present since early of Islam period when Ali Bin Abi Thalib was murdered in a mosque during praying because the murderer low understanding on Quran and Hadith. The murder happened after Ali made a peace agreement with Muawiyah which is protested by a group which is now classified as "extremist" with their black and white thinking and doesnt have profound understanding in Quran and Hadith.

Here in Indonesia there was similar case where AQ/ISIS operator make suicide bombing during Friday prayer in Police Mosque

 

[BananaRepublicUK]

Stupid analogy. Caste system is created by Hindu, while Islam never support terrorism.

Islam civilization is among the first who admit diversity in term or race and religion and push for freedom of religion as it has several famous verses saying so like " My religion is mine, and your religion is yours" and " There is no compulsion in religion "

Terrorism in Islam is due to low understanding in Islam and basically has been present since early of Islam period when Ali Bin Abi Thalib was murdered in a mosque during praying.

Here in Indonesia there was similar case where AQ/ISIS operator make suicide bombing during Friday prayer in Police Mosque



Stupid analogy. Caste system is created by Hindu, while Islam never support terrorism.

Islam civilization is among the first who admit diversity in term or race and religion and push for freedom of religion as it has several famous verses saying so like " My religion is mine, and your religion is yours" and " There is no compulsion in religion "

Terrorism in Islam is due to low understanding in Islam and basically has been present since early of Islam period when Ali Bin Abi Thalib was murdered in a mosque during praying.

Here in Indonesia there was similar case where AQ/ISIS operator make suicide bombing during Friday prayer in Police Mosque

Caste is a feature of Hinduism as supported by extensive DNA evidence.

Terrorism is a bug in Islam created through America’s protection of Wahhabism and Madrasa education.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Is this not accurate then?

Caste system among South Asian Muslims - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Muslim casteism if exists is not the same - Bengali, and Indian Muslims do not even have caste names many have no idea of their pre Islamic caste identity, people do not have sects along caste lines or worship in caste-specific mosques, madrassa for different castes, and different housing arrangements based on castes
marriage for some communities may be an issue but that exists in Kurd tribes, Arab tribes, and many other societies of the world
this alone does not make it a "caste"

 

[Chat SAMOSA]

Caste is a feature of Hinduism as supported by extensive DNA evidence.

Terrorism is a bug in Islam created through America’s protection of Wahhabism and Madrasa education.

I think that's well said.