My dear Indian friend,
Unless we understand the subconcious dynamics of your pervailing society ... in a detached and clinical manner... 'discussion' will revert to bashing and thread closeurs... sad.
What you are trying to achieve requires both patience and understanding of your audience. People here wrongly believe that your audience is Paks... they are not.
Cultural revival and authetic worldview that you wish your countrymen to have is an uphil struggle. But a mighty one at that...so climbing this K2 is noble.
Unless we accept who we are we shall remain a leaf in the wind... the point is rather obvious. Perhaps that is your struggle as well.
Regarding Pakistan we need to see Pakistan not through Indian lens but rather Pak Lens... only then you could appreciate the reality of our existence, our asperations and our faults.... our flaws are many!
If the perspective would remain forceful application of Out of India Theory then...my, my... there are some lofty ones out there... some even go back 70.000 years. So what can we do.
Iqal, our father, our Poet Philosopher clearly defined what Wadi e Sind meant... for now I shall leave at that.
We as Land have been in constant transformation for last 10.000 years. Ancient Paks developed long before Sumer or Persia... again I shall, for now, leave at that.
Where you could see China inclosed you shall find the strength and weakness of Wadi e Sind in its openness. That is the reason
har dil ki awaz , dil dil ki awaz... Pakistan Zindabad.
Your own country is a great civilisation in its own right... especially central and southern parts. We need to discuss that sometime...
Pakistan is the Heartland... if one accepts it or not. Matters not.
What is India's heartland?
The lowest casts in the past centuries sought escape from the
Laws of Manu through conversion... how good was it for these people is to be seen...
it is a developing human story.
Come on, trying using less temper and more restraint.. reason... with some solid underpinning in discourse. You are an intelligent person... come out and play... blossom.
Mangus
@waz my dear Pak, this thread could be valuable for a discourse...should it not just become a troll fest... otherwise... the Lock!