hi retarded boy read before posting.it does matter 717 families have just lost a loved one. and your saying does it matter? shame on you. f**king Scrooge
i said IT DOES MATTER gey some idiot
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hi retarded boy read before posting.it does matter 717 families have just lost a loved one. and your saying does it matter? shame on you. f**king Scrooge
I am talking from the point of view how vatican city is a country within a country Italy.
Where Italy provides the defense related support, still Italy has no role in regard the head of state and administration.
Similarly if Mecca and Medina can be carved out as a special land, which will have its own administration which doesnt have to deal with any political or regional biasness. Which is supported by OIC and initially managed by OIC, which later on builds up its own self management system which is externally supported by OIC and is based on commonly agreed principles of working.
Well for sure Saudis are not going to give it away unless rest of OIC comes up with some grand plan.
If one would want to compare, then Jersualem would be the correct comparison geographically.
I understand there is a similar hill there as well?
Allah hasnt given any such authority to the dictatorial regeime of Ale Saud.Allah (swt) gave this responsibility to us and we have held it for 1400 years in a row. Since over 4000 years ago if we recall Prophet Ibrahim (as) and what we celebrate right now (Eid al-Adha).
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Thanks bro.
Though in all honesty, probably not as enlightened as you give me credit for.
Its just that I belong to an ancient faith, and like some ancient faiths, we believe in the strong connect between divinity, faith and bloodlines.
I know its different for later faiths like Christianity and Islam, which cross over bloodlines, and are global faiths.
Again, not to inflame or ruffle any feathers, but to an old faith, Islam would be seen as an Arab faith.From the Arab lands. Of and for the Arab people.
Your Prophet was an Arab, from among you, and he brought you enlightenment.
The same for the Christians.
The same for the Jews before them.
Cheers, Doc
Allah hasnt given any such authority to the dictatorial regeime of Ale Saud.
It is actually the arab people and their tribes who had been serving the pilgrims for decades.
Saudi gov. Has shown criminal negligence in managing the hajj operations, and the pilgtims and their families have every right to question this regime.
like we give a shit what you believe.the last stampede was 20 years ago and was caused by Iranians.
Sorry to say, but the way commercialization has taken place next to the holy monument it beats the whole purpose of Hajj and kind of feeling that it should generate.
Well, I was more referring to your posts in this thread that are based upon logic and not ignorance/hatred.
Well, the 3 Abrahamic (Semitic) religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) are closely connected and were revealed to a related and neighboring people (Jews and Arabs) but the religions were never meant only for the locals hence they became global religions that are followed by almost 60% of the World's populations.
Abrahamic religions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
People from all backgrounds, nations, ethnic groups found those religions fitting for them and the (especially) Christians and Muslims encouraged others to convert. So they were never "closed off" religions so to speak and always emphasized global teachings for all humanity. Even Judaism where conversion can occur.
I am not so familiar with the Dharmic faith and their philosophies but from what I know they are open to conversion for non-natives of South Asia. It's just that South Asian people did not really have any global empires who helped spread their faiths like we Muslims and the Christians had. If this had happened I am quite sure that your outlook would be more global as well.
Cheers to you as well.
Well that was also the reason why the Pagan Arabs were so against Prophet Muhammad(saw)'s message, remember the Kaaba was an important site for Arabs. Every year they gathered together to pray to the idols placed inside, Islamic teachings threatened Pagan Arab's hold on Mecca and the economic prosperity.
Its all about money.
PS. Ignore the Arab troll, the Sauds controlled nothing but deserts. They have nothing to do with Mecca or Medina. They are a different tribe all together from the actual Hashemites.
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lol read before embarrassing yourself again.Well that was also the reason why the Pagan Arabs were so against Prophet Muhammad(saw)'s message, remember the Kaaba was an important site for Arabs. Every year they gathered together to pray to the idols placed inside, Islamic teachings threatened Pagan Arab's hold on Mecca and the economic prosperity.
Its all about money.
PS. Ignore the Arab troll, the Sauds controlled nothing but deserts. They have nothing to do with Mecca or Medina. They are a different tribe all together from the actual Hashemites.
Hashemites - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
don't mind the idiots it is a carnival of stupid here.Here comes the ignorant anti-Arab Qadiani troll. Makkah and the Kaaba have been a pilgrimage site since the time of Prophet Ibrahim (as) over 4000 years ago.
The people of Makkah (not all moreover) were the first followers of monotheism in the world and Semitic paganism in pre-Islamic Arabia and the Arab world was followed from Yemen to Egypt to Syria.
In Pre-Islamic Arabia there were large numbers of Hanfis (monotheists who had followed the example of Prophet Ibrahim (as) for 2800 straight years), Christians, Jews and even Zoroastrians in Eastern Arabia.
The House of Saud controlled most of the Arabian Peninsula. Including all the numerous mountain regions, mountain ranges, all the 1000's km of coastline, 1000's of valleys, wadis, towns, villages, cities, steppes, 100's of islands, volcanic areas and deserts.
EVERY Arab on the Arabian Peninsula HAS EVERYTHING to do with Makkah and Madinah. Arabians don't look at the Arabian Peninsula as a foreign land but their own.
I am a Hijazi Hashemite so thank you for highlighting my family. The fact that Makkah and Madinah was under our control/guidance from 1201 until 1925 does not mean that no other Arabian family whether Hijazi or not had any right to control or consider this land as their own. I am not from the Eastern Province, Southern KSA, Northern KSA or Najd or Oman for instance but I consider all of that land as Arabian/Arab land. Belonging to us, the natives of the Arabian Peninsula.
The best thing that happened for large areas of Arabia (Hijaz, Najd, Eastern Arabia, Northern and Southern KSA) was for it to unite. We pray to Allah (swt) every day for the entire Arabian Peninsula to be united like during the time of the rightly guided Rashidun Caliphate and the time of Prophet Muhammad (saws) regardless of who rules.
Don't ever speak in our name. Got that anti-Arab troll?
Dharmic people did at one time colonize most of South East Asia. With the spread of Hinduism to those people.
Similarly Dharmic faiths like Buddhism are still practiced by a large percentage of Asian people.
Buddhism and Hidusim combined as per the 2012 global religious survey account for 22% of humanity, behind Islam at 23% and Chrisitanity at 31%.
But you are right. For most of history, the Indian civilization hardly ventured out for conquests.
Regardless of non-indigenous people who adopt a faith via conversion, ancient theologies believe in the concept of blood, faith and soil.
Insofar as that is involved, for faiths which did not grow out of a Prophet bringing enlightenment (Zarathushtra, Mahavir, Gautam Buddha, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, Guru Gobind Singh) like Hinduism or for ancient Prophet spread faiths as well, the message was divinely ordained for the people. For the blood and the soil where it was birthed.
Seen against that background, the Abrahamic faiths are also seen as a single continuum for a single people. The Jews and the Arabs, as correctly mentioned by you.
Yes they spread. But the spread was far beyond the life and times of the Prophets. Blood not directly touched by them.
Hope that explains.
P.S. I'm not a dharmic, and neither were my people originally South Asian.
Cheers, Doc
lol read before embarrassing yourself again.
don't mind the idiots it is a carnival of stupid here.