About sects in Islamic world: My own story

[undercover JIX]

I heard about that too.

This is an authentic (Sahi) Hadees. not a hear say. I could be wrong with number of sects 76 or 73...but its authentic Hadith. so staying out is what????forming a new sects??? which is disliked by prophet, as its causing division.
just food for thought for new highly educated people.

 

[Hyde]

Hold the rope of Allah and be not divided

Thats all it matters

I am just a Muslim... belongs to the sect of Prophet Muhammad S.A.W.W... nothing more or less

 

[fitpOsitive]

just a question,
is not there a hadith mentioning about 76 or so sects/firqay and only one will be on the rite path?
if that is the case then, there is one which is rite an dour responsibility is to search for the rite one and stick to it.
staying out of all would not be the rite thing to do, when Hadees tells us one is on rite path, so we should be with one out of all, whichever our research and understanding tells us is rite. we are responsible for our choices.
So if Hadees tells us there are 76 or so lines towards the true source but only one is actually connected to the source, then we must be in that line (Sect). staying out of all the lines will not reach us anywhere.
what you say?

I always wondered which of these 72 sects is on right path? I always thought its the one I just joined. But to my surprise, it was every one, Allah answered my question 1400 years ago. Yup people from every sect who follow Sirat e Mustaqeem. So what is Sirat e Mustaqeem? Nabi pak S.W said: I have left behind two things, you will never go astray as long as you hold fast onto them ie. the Quran and Sunnah. So, its 100% Islam when you hold Quraan and Sunnah. After that, whatever it is, its not pure. So I believe on the day of judgment, the 72nd sect will not be a sect, rather a group of people comprising of people from all the sects(Asna-Ashri Shia, Barelvi, Salafi, Deobandi and all others sects).

 

[Metanoia]

I always wondered which of these 72 sects is on right path? I always thought its the one I just joined. But to my surprise, it was every one, Allah answered my question 1400 years ago. Yup people from every sect who follow Sirat e Mustaqeem. So what is Sirat e Mustaqeem? Nabi pak S.W said: O people, I am a human being. I am about to receive a messenger (the angel of death) from my Lord and I, in response to Allah's call, (would bid good-bye to you), but I am leaving among you two weighty things: the one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it. So, its 100% Islam when you hold Quraan and Sunnah. After that, whatever it is, its not pure. So I believe on the day of judgment, the 72nd sect will not be a sect, rather a group of people comprising of people from all the sects(Asna-Ashri Shia, Barelvi, Salafi, Deobandi and all others sects).

That's a very interesting perspective.

 

[undercover JIX]

I always wondered which of these 72 sects is on right path? I always thought its the one I just joined. But to my surprise, it was every one, Allah answered my question 1400 years ago. Yup people from every sect who follow Sirat e Mustaqeem. So what is Sirat e Mustaqeem? Nabi pak S.W said: I have left behind two things, you will never go astray as long as you hold fast onto them ie. the Quran and Sunnah. So, its 100% Islam when you hold Quraan and Sunnah. After that, whatever it is, its not pure. So I believe on the day of judgment, the 72nd sect will not be a sect, rather a group of people comprising of people from all the sects(Asna-Ashri Shia, Barelvi, Salafi, Deobandi and all others sects).

Allah answered my question 1400 years ago. Yup people from every sect who follow Sirat e Mustaqeem.

So according to this all sects are rite and wrong at the same time, and like minded people form all the sect get together and call it the 73rd, are these like minded people calling or associating themselves with a different title to be recognized as 73rd sect?
each sects has fundamental believes you are either with them or not, you can not be in two boats same time.

So, its 100% Islam when you hold Quraan and Sunnah. After that, whatever it is, its not pure.

Now see here, What you said is 100% correct, but remember Quraan is in Arabic Language and we non Arabs (even Arabs too) need translation, interpretation, tafseer etc to understand it, its not just you can read arabic and understand so that is it, No each and every verse has a reason and revelation and purpose and place, without knowing that you can not get the true context of it. now you have to trust on someone else translation and tafseer, and sometimes there is a major difference how one explains it, so which tafseer and translation you would use accepted by which sects? all have their own.

Same goes with hadees, trust narrators and compilers and then translators and explanations, each sects has preferred once, some sects even ignore some hadees and emphasis on some. again have to be associated with some sect.

When yo usay anything out of Quraan and Hadees is not pure, then again you depending upon some scholar of a sect, you did not study all 6 Hadees Books and full Quraan Tafseer of all sects associated scholars.

So it seems logical that you will be inclined towards scholars of one sect.

So I believe on the day of judgment, the 72nd sect will not be a sect, rather a group of people comprising of people from all the sects(Asna-Ashri Shia, Barelvi, Salafi, Deobandi and all others sects).

This Bold part goes straight against the Hadees, as the riotous sect is one of the established sects, not a group of defectors of all groups.

My point is, " Must be part of one established sect, because its mentioned that " Only one will be on rite path". its not mentioned that separate group of momeneen which did not associate with all these sects.
I hope I did not offend in any way and made some sense, I know sometimes I can not express myself properly.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Hold the rope of Allah and be not divided

Thats all it matters

I am just a Muslim... belongs to the sect of Prophet Muhammad S.A.W.W... nothing more or less

Well, following the Qur'an and the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) makes one a Sunni.

 

[undercover JIX]

Hold the rope of Allah and be not divided

Thats all it matters

I am just a Muslim... belongs to the sect of Prophet Muhammad S.A.W.W... nothing more or less

Please help all the Muslims and tell us which sect is that, the name so we all can follow that.

By not following one of the 7x sects, are not we rejecting an authentic Hadees? How that makes us followers of Prophet PBUH by not following sahi Hadees?

Just questions for my education, no offence to anyone.

 

[fitpOsitive]

So according to this all sects are rite and wrong at the same time, and like minded people form all the sect get together and call it the 73rd, are these like minded people calling or associating themselves with a different title to be recognized as 73rd sect?
each sects has fundamental believes you are either with them or not, you can not be in two boats same time.



Now see here, What you said is 100% correct, but remember Quraan is in Arabic Language and we non Arabs (even Arabs too) need translation, interpretation, tafseer etc to understand it, its not just you can read arabic and understand so that is it, No each and every verse has a reason and revelation and purpose and place, without knowing that you can not get the true context of it. now you have to trust on someone else translation and tafseer, and sometimes there is a major difference how one explains it, so which tafseer and translation you would use accepted by which sects? all have their own.

Same goes with hadees, trust narrators and compilers and then translators and explanations, each sects has preferred once, some sects even ignore some hadees and emphasis on some. again have to be associated with some sect.

When yo usay anything out of Quraan and Hadees is not pure, then again you depending upon some scholar of a sect, you did not study all 6 Hadees Books and full Quraan Tafseer of all sects associated scholars.

So it seems logical that you will be inclined towards scholars of one sect.



This Bold part goes straight against the Hadees, as the riotous sect is one of the established sects, not a group of defectors of all groups.

My point is, " Must be part of one established sect, because its mentioned that " Only one will be on rite path". its not mentioned that separate group of momeneen which did not associate with all these sects.
I hope I did not offend in any way and made some sense, I know sometimes I can not express myself properly.

One sect that will say: Nahno Muslimoon(we are muslims). Not the ones who say we Barelvi, Shia etc.

 

[Verve]

just a question,
is not there a hadith mentioning about 76 or so sects/firqay and only one will be on the rite path?
if that is the case then, there is one which is rite an dour responsibility is to search for the rite one and stick to it.
staying out of all would not be the rite thing to do, when Hadees tells us one is on rite path, so we should be with one out of all, whichever our research and understanding tells us is rite. we are responsible for our choices.

So if Hadees tells us there are 76 or so lines towards the true source but only one is actually connected to the source, then we must be in that line (Sect). staying out of all the lines will not reach us anywhere.

what you say?

Bare minimum to stay on the path and pass the test is in Surah Al-Asr.

There are no sects in the Quran and the guidance in Quran is to not breakup into sects.

There's also a hadith where Prophet (PBUH) prayed for unification of Muslims forever and the answer from Allah was that this will not be so and Muslims will divide.

Allah will protect and preserve The Quran until the time it is removed from even the hearts of men. Preserve and protect doesn't apply to Hadith.

 

[AbuzarIlyas]

Deobandi, Salafi, Brelvi are not sect. I have also a history between these groups. Thrice of them were basically the movements. Sects are Hanafi, Hanbali, Shafai and Malki which are all comprehensive.

We all know about how the salafi and deobandi movements were started as an extremist factor in two different parts of world at a time funded by same financer. And the brelvi movement started by another group to counter their propaganda funded by another school of thought. Both of them blame each other for getting british funds at that time.

We have to differentiate between sects and movements, tableeghi jamat is another movement created out of deobandi movement which was later joined by wahabis as well. Tehreek e Taliban Pakistan and Tehreek e Nafaz e Shariat e Muhammadi were also two "movements" of another scale and intensity to implement a specific thought and set of principles. Saifis in khyber agency started a movement against them which was later halted by a military request/negotiation and saifis stop that armed conflict which infact helped the TTP, TNSM to gain strong hold on ground.

Salafi movement was also a TTP kind of aggression in late 18 and early 1900's which resulted into kingdom of saudi arabia. TTP also played on the same path but luckily Pak Army was not as weak as Ottoman Army at that time. Brelvi movement supported army in that war in north west Pakistan and still supporting.

This topic is not limited to the speeches of few famous and few infamous molvis. It is a political, geopolitical, military and religious debate.

 

[Verve]

Please help all the Muslims and tell us which sect is that, the name so we all can follow that.

By not following one of the 7x sects, are not we rejecting an authentic Hadees? How that makes us followers of Prophet PBUH by not following sahi Hadees?

Just questions for my education, no offence to anyone.

Does it say "Groups" or "Sects" in the Hadith?

A group can be one who neither believes in sects nor belongs to one.

 

[Hyde]

Well, following the Qur'an and the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) makes one a Sunni.

Didn't know Prophet Muhammad S.A.W.W belonged to a sect

I thought he was the Prophet of 'Islam' and the all-mankind... without any definition of Sunni, Wahhabi, Shia or anything else

Please help all the Muslims and tell us which sect is that, the name so we all can follow that.

By not following one of the 7x sects, are not we rejecting an authentic Hadees? How that makes us followers of Prophet PBUH by not following sahi Hadees?

Just questions for my education, no offence to anyone.

In my opinion Prophet Muhammad S.A.W.W was a Muslim and the messenger of Allah. We must follow his commandments whenever we hear anything

If we start dividing ourselves into sects, it will only make our lives difficult whereas Islam is a simple religion to practice if you keep it simple for yourself

 

[pak-marine]

I was born into a Deobandi Family. My parents were an ultra extremist Deobandi(after by Tablegh they are now behaving ). They never let us eat Kondas, Girahween k Chawal or Niaz of Muharram. They told us, all of this is wrong. But when I reached 10 years, my mom sent me to Madrasa to read Quraan which was run by Barelvis. She strictly told me not to follow them, just read Quraan. But Molvi Sahab was determined to make me Barelvi. I read Salawat after Juma, every Juma. Kissed my thumbs and touched my eyes on ever "Muhammad" S.W. He was successful in making me somewhat Barelvi. He always used to say that "Wahabi sab Kafir hain". And then I reached university. In university, I met a guy who was a Salafi. He preached me and again, told me everybody else is wrong. I was Salafi then . But then I started my own thinking process. And then I became a muslim. If you see closely, every sect is based on "some part" of Islam. For example, Tableeghi Jamat says that Islam is by Tablegh, and Islam is basically Tablegh(preaching). In fact its just a part of Islam. For Shias, Hubbe - ahle - Bait is enough, where as again, its just a part of Islam, not whole of it. For Barelvis, if you are Sunni, you are good to Jannah, and so on...
Tolerance for each other is basically what Islam teaches. Intolerance is basically the base of many social problems. The true line to follow should be: Do and learn your way, and let others what they learn and do.
I will conclude with narration of one happening. That will show you how Imams behaved.
One day Imam Malik R.A went to Madinah, and during Namaz, he didn't do Raf - Ul- Yadain. People asked him why he didn't do that. He said "I didn't do that just in respect of Shaikh ul Masjid(Imam Abbu Hanifa R.A)". So the difference of doing or not Raf - ul - Yadain was that small? And on things like this, many people call others Kafir and many have killed others.
May be many people don't agree with my views, and for that I am sorry, for my non-convincing logic.
So, lets take a moderate path, to just please Allah, just Allah. Now I support all sects, as each sect represent atleast one part or aspect of Islam. The aspects of sects which talk something not belonging to Quraan or/and Sunnah, are sure not aspects of sects, but of different religions other than Islam.

Your species is called homo sapians ie human being prior to any thing else .. be that and look after your species

 

[Mughal1]

For a detailed explanation of things about the quran and deen of islam see HERE.

 

[Hamza913]

Salafi and Ahle-e Hadith is the same thing.

Usually I am told Barelvis are not the mainstream Sunni Islam, even if Barelvis claim to be Sunnis.

People should read up on Dr. Israr Ahmed. His lectures are good.

Usually people call themselves Sunni to say they are part of the mainstream Islam, and not with the minority community of the Shia.

Perhaps @dsr478 , can help explain.

Barelvis are Sufis.

Sufis call themselves Sunni because they use the same sources as us, but they reach VERY different conclusions.