JNU: Lal Masjid of India?

[jamahir]

Dude, please don't mind...but are you a hotel doorman or something? Why do you need to introduce anyone that comes into the forum? Here comes MBA, here comes sanghi, here comes dodo lover ?? It's so eccentric.

"it's so eccentric"... strange that you never say that to the sanghi members who "introduce me"... only a few days ago the now-banned parul did that... where were you??

and where were you when the same member you are speaking on behalf of, 'rain man', ganged up on me in a thread some months ago along with two other indian members and made four pages of personal insults??

besides, why didn't you address the nonsense that 'rain man' had written in the post i quoted?? and can you deny that he is part of the capitalist problem in india??

How would you like if the favor was returned and everytime you walked into any thread - Someone said

And here comes Jamahir
One eye considerably bigger than the other
Resident kook and Gadaffi fan
Expert on long annotated posts that no one understands

oh i don't mind anyone making fun of my eyes but that is so juvenile.

but using pretend-american words like "kook" doesn't mean that certain members have achieved supremacy against socialist thought or proved gaddafi's theories and speeches wrong.

as for my "long annotated posts that no one understands" i always use simple and direct language and ensure that the articles i quote are headlined by me with appropriate description... i don't see where's the problem.

 

[danger007]

You support "Bharat ki Barbadi" "banduk ke dum pe Azadi"? or celebrating massacre of 76 soldiers?

see what kinda logic is this... are sure those videos are real??? at the same time when AAP showed some pics videos ... all of RSS parivar jumped to one conclusion that those are not real... let them face fair trial... if those videos are real they must be punished in fair manner... as well as OP sharma and those lawyers. .. you can't blame entire university for some random videos.... people may have different ideologies or different perception. .. but biased judgement is pathetic. .. if kahnayya found guilty. .. we can call him anti national. .. but judging him and tagging him anti national is nothing but stupidity. ... govt cracking down like is like pulling our own universities down in front of world... whatever the bassi doing is really laughable. .. he is pretending lot...

 

[Pumba]

"it's so eccentric"... strange that you never say that to the sanghi members who "introduce me"... only a few days ago the now-banned parul did that... where were you??

besides, why didn't you address the nonsense he had written?? and why should you deny that he is part of the capitalist problem in india??



oh i don't mind anyone making fun of my eyes.

but using pretend-american words like "kook" doesn't mean that you have achieved supremacy against socialist thought or proved gaddafi's theories and speeches wrong or achieved intellectual parity with me.

I asked you something. You didnt answer till now. Instead of engaging sanghi trolls answer my questions..

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

if i remember correctly it was you who in 2014 made a sarcastic remark to me to arrange for the indian socialist movement to obtain armaments from norinco ( the top chinese weapons manufacturer )... why did you say, pompously if i remember your words correctly, if you yourself are not being seen as a propagator of socialism on pdf??

Um, because Norinco is a corporation, and if you buy weapons from us, we make a profit. You know, that's how the market economy works?

And no, I'm not a propagator of the global socialist movement because I don't care about them at all. I only care about the development of China.

 

[Pumba]

I don't care about any of these religious or political ideologies.

Like Deng Xiaoping said, I only care about what works.

And

Welcome to India

 

[bongbang]

I have seen today protest in support of JNU students in front of Dhaka press club by some uni students(leftists).

 

[Pumba]

see what kinda logic is this... are sure those videos are real??? at the same time when AAP showed some pics videos ... all of RSS parivar jumped to one conclusion that those are not real... let them face fair trial... if those videos are real they must be punished in fair manner... as well as OP sharma and those lawyers. .. you can't blame entire university for some random videos.... people may have different ideologies or different perception. .. but biased judgement is pathetic. .. if kahnayya found guilty. .. we can call him anti national. .. but judging him and tagging him anti national is nothing but stupidity. ... govt cracking down like is like pulling our own universities down in front of world... whatever the bassi doing is really laughable. .. he is pretending lot...

Ok bro, lets forget about the videos for a moment and tell me your views about that cultural event where Afzal guru was called a victim of judicial killing.
How true is that allegation ? Do u endorse their idea ? Or do u think that supporting a convicted terrorist with slogans like Afzal hum sharminda hain tere qatil zinda hain comes under freedom of expression ?

 

[jamahir]

I have seen today protest in support of JNU students in front of Dhaka press club by some uni students(leftists).

great news.

I asked you something. You didnt answer till now. Instead of engaging sanghi trolls answer my questions..

sorry, was engaging with a chinese sanghi... will answer after my dinner.

I don't care about any of these religious or political ideologies.

Like Deng Xiaoping said, I only care about what works.

you portray a uncaring attitude, but i must point out that you have said that you support all 'dharmic' ideologies and you said this in a thread full of sanghis whose brahminical ideology is also 'dharmic'.

and you use deng xiaoping to promote your own anti-socialist thought.

you speak next of modern china having brought 800 million citizens out of poverty but you simultaneously reject the historical ideology that made this possible... what have your 'dharmic' cousins in india, the sangh parivar, achieved, except for letting more indians suicide, letting people die of hunger and so on??

And the current Chinese system (which includes a massive private sector and a market economy) works. The Chinese government works, they lifted over 800 million Chinese people out of poverty in the last few decades alone.

but why do state that as a proud fact when you have already declared that you don't care for the chinese communist party and when you have made clear your support for the indian sangh parivar reactionaries??

anyway, welcome to capitalism and its mindless effects on chinese society[1] :

In a bizarre incident, two men in China's eastern Jiangsu Province apparently tried to sell their kidney for Apple's latest offering, the iPhone 6s. One of the men identified as Wu, wanted an iPhone 6s but could not afford it. His friend Huang suggested they sell a kidney each for money.

The two found an illegal agent on the internet who asked them to take medical examinations at a hospital in Nanjing, state-run China Daily reported.

However, when they arrived at a hospital, the agent did not turn up as promised. They later reconsidered selling the organs. Wu told his friend, Huang, to stop the plan but Huang did not listen. Wu then called the police, but Huang ran away and has been out of reach ever since.

This is not the first time people in China have gone to crazy lengths to get their hands on Apple products.

Two years ago, a Chinese couple illegally put their third child up for adoption online and accepted money for the baby, using the proceeds to reportedly buy an iPhone. A year before that, a Chinese teen reportedly sold his kidney to buy Apple iPhone and iPad.

the modern chinese governments have wrongly allowed a capitalist housing market instead of making homes free[2] :

Based on the house price to wage ratio compiled by the International Monetary Fund, or IMF, China's large cities have the most expensive real estate in the world. Beijing is particularly expensive, as party officials deploy their "hard-earned" cash. The numbers mean that it would take an average Beijinger 22.3 years of earnings to pay off their mortgage. Real estate accounted for 12.4 percent of China’s total output in 2012.

Real estate investment as a share of gross domestic product edged up to 13.8 percent last year, from 13 percent in 2011.

and that despite china having a huge number of homeless people[3] :

Nov. 16 2015 11:36 AM

Drivers roll up car windows as an autumn wind chills a traffic-clogged overpass in western Beijing’s Liuliqiao area. And under the concrete overpass, homeless people are gathering for a chilly night’s rest after wandering city streets.

Among the homeless is a 52-year-old man surnamed Chen. He sits between two suitcases brought from his hometown in Hebei, the northern province next to Beijing, about a year ago. His hair is filthy and tangled, his hands marked with vitiligo. The suitcases contain everything Chen owns.

For the money needed to buy food, Chen sells plastic bottles and scrap metal collected from trash bins. He returns to his spot under the overpass every evening. Some cold winter nights, he beds down on a hallway floor at the Beijing West Railway Station

The country had nearly 2,000 shelters and 20,000 social workers to help its more than 3 million homeless people last year, the Ministry of Civil Affairs reports.

and from the above underlined part about hunger i go to[4] :

15 Aug 2014
Malnutrition Plagues Children of Rural China

Malnutrition Plagues Children
China became an economic superpower in only a matter of decades. Forbes Magazine’s annual rich list reported that China has had 152 billionaires this past year. The once struggling nation has shown promising improvement. According to the World Bank, the number of impoverished people living in China dropped from 683 million in 1990 to 157 million in 2009. This improvement is a result of the rapid urbanization in China in recent years. Greater economic opportunity and government assistance is now available in cities. However, children in rural villages are stuck in a seemingly unbreakable cycle of poverty.

The children of rural China face a variety of challenges that are virtually nonexistent in the cities. Among one of the most glaring is the struggle against malnutrition. UNICEF estimates that there are 12.7 million stunted children in China; this life-long condition that results from severe malnutrition plagues children most during early childhood.

In addition to malnutrition, anemia takes a tremendous toll on rural Chinese children. Stanford University conducted a test on 1824 babies in China’s Shaanxi Province. Forty nine percent of the babies tested were anemic and 28 percent were near anemic. Furthermore, of all the babies tested, 40 percent displayed cognitive or motor problems.

Treating anemia and replenishing nutrients is actually quite easy. Stanford researchers state that simply taking iron supplements can counter anemia. To address the rampant malnutrition in China’s poor, rural provinces, UNICEF has begun to distribute a nutrition supplement called Ying Yang Bao. Ying Yang Bao is a small packet of powdered vitamins, minerals and proteins that can be mixed into solid foods like porridge.

Many rural Chinese families cannot afford to buy fresh fruits, vegetables and proteins like beef. Dairy products are also expensive and difficult to access. Often, noodles, porridge, rice and starches like potatoes constitute meals. Fortunately, the micronutrients in Ying Yang Bao are easily dissolved in porridges and soups.

UNICEF reports that, between 2008 and 2011, more than 30,000 rural children received Ying Yang Bao. After consumption, anemia levels were cut in half. A long-term solution to malnutrition is still in the works. While aid from UNICEF and other organizations is improving the health of rural children, education is a key issue to be addressed. Parents are misguided by myths and superstitions, which has led to the silent suffering on many children. A public education program has not been officially instituted, but would be another component of China’s long-term solution for malnutrition.

sections of the chinese government acknowledge the problems in china, whether it be of homelessness or hunger or dog attacks... there is much to do in china and what china must not do is to become nationalist.


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[1] Two Men Reportedly Try to Sell Kidney for iPhone 6s | NDTV Gadgets360.com

[2] China Has The Priciest Housing On The Planet, And There’s Nothing Beijing Can Do About It

[3] China’s local governments collaborate with NGOs to better homeless care.

[4] Malnutrition Plagues Children of Rural China

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

great news.



sorry was engaging with a chinese sanghi... will answer shortly.



you portray a uncaring attitude, but i must point out that you have said that you support all 'dharmic' ideologies and you said this in a thread full of sanghis whose brahminical ideology is also 'dharmic'.

and you use deng xiaoping to promote your own anti-socialist thought.

you speak next of modern china having brought 800 million citizens out of poverty but you simultaneously reject the historical ideology that made this possible... what have your 'dharmic' cousins in india, the sangh parivar, achieved, except for letting more indians suicide, letting people die of hunger and so on??



but why do state that as a proud fact when you have already declared that you don't care for the chinese communist party and when you have made clear your support for the indian sangh parivar reactionaries??

anyway, welcome to capitalism and its mindless effects on chinese society[1] :




the modern chinese governments have wrongly allowed a capitalist housing market instead of making homes free[2] :



and that despite china having a huge number of homeless people[3] :





and from the above underlined part about hunger i go to[4] :






sections of the chinese government acknowledge the problems in china, whether it be of homelessness or hunger or dog attacks... there is much to do in china and what china must not do is to become nationalist.


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[1] Two Men Reportedly Try to Sell Kidney for iPhone 6s | NDTV Gadgets360.com

[2] China Has The Priciest Housing On The Planet, And There’s Nothing Beijing Can Do About It

[3] China’s local governments collaborate with NGOs to better homeless care.

[4] Malnutrition Plagues Children of Rural China

You are anti-China and you expect me to support your cause?

 

[jamahir]

You are anti-China and you expect me to support your cause?

how did you come to the conclusion i am anti-china??

i did say posts earlier that the chinese communist party must stop china from stagnating in capitalism and advance in socialism.

in truth it is you who don't respect the chinese communist party and are talking in favor of the indian reactionary/fascist/etc groups like bjp and rss and want their 'dharmic' system to be installed in china.

so are you trying to avoid answering my posts??

lastly, what is my cause??

 

[Pumba]

great news.



sorry, was engaging with a chinese sanghi... will answer after my dinner.



you portray a uncaring attitude, but i must point out that you have said that you support all 'dharmic' ideologies and you said this in a thread full of sanghis whose brahminical ideology is also 'dharmic'.

and you use deng xiaoping to promote your own anti-socialist thought.

you speak next of modern china having brought 800 million citizens out of poverty but you simultaneously reject the historical ideology that made this possible... what have your 'dharmic' cousins in india, the sangh parivar, achieved, except for letting more indians suicide, letting people die of hunger and so on??



but why do state that as a proud fact when you have already declared that you don't care for the chinese communist party and when you have made clear your support for the indian sangh parivar reactionaries??

anyway, welcome to capitalism and its mindless effects on chinese society[1] :




the modern chinese governments have wrongly allowed a capitalist housing market instead of making homes free[2] :



and that despite china having a huge number of homeless people[3] :





and from the above underlined part about hunger i go to[4] :






sections of the chinese government acknowledge the problems in china, whether it be of homelessness or hunger or dog attacks... there is much to do in china and what china must not do is to become nationalist.


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[1] Two Men Reportedly Try to Sell Kidney for iPhone 6s | NDTV Gadgets360.com

[2] China Has The Priciest Housing On The Planet, And There’s Nothing Beijing Can Do About It

[3] China’s local governments collaborate with NGOs to better homeless care.

[4] Malnutrition Plagues Children of Rural China

I am all ears

 

[jamahir]

Well said maamu.

thank you.

and "maamu"... hmm, have we discussed before??

I've a slightly different take on it.I believe that by subjecting Kumar to the kind of treatment that the establishment did , they've created a " Leftist Matryr " to the cause.

that is true.

Kumar's is a rising star.In the near to distant future , depending on who in the CPI ( M) establishment " Godfather's" him , his stock will definitely rise ( Note - I do not mention the CPI - ML , aa they'd see Kumar as a sell out - the analogy being similar to the relationship between Al Qaeda & Daesh here. )

i see that you know a bit more than the usual member about the differences/misgivings among the various indian socialist groups.

but at this point, kumar is the person being hounded and is the person who was at the forefront of a agitation in a political/social environment that since 2014 has become scary.

but coming back to left movement differences, in 2014 was a meeting ( in calcutta, i think ) where was agreed that the different left groups must unify, at least the non-armed ones... maybe that will happen this year or perhaps next year during the 100th anniversary of the russian revolution.

Around 4 decades back , during the emergency , a certain stutterer - a pre eminent Malayali Marxist ideologue - Na NA Na Nambodiripad chose a few students from JNU who passionately espoused the Leftist cause.of course , there may be wags who's say the reason Namboodripad chose them was they were all smoke & no fire - I.e - all talk & no action posing no threat to his position in the party heirachy , while at the same time checkmating his rivals & fulfilling the long standing demand among the Marxists of choosing & grooming the second rung of the communist leadership among the Marxists.

hmm, must discuss this with the senior movement member i have been speaking to.

We've seen the efficacy of this leadership in action in the CPM personified by Karat & Yechiry . We need more of this kind.It acts as a safety valve .while a Kumar can be vilified as a "traitor" by the "establishment " , acceptance of him as a leader by his ilk will draw radical support to more

true, if i understand this correctly.

 

[danger007]

[QUOTE ="Pumba, post: 8172210, member: 154893"]Ok bro, lets forget about the videos for a moment and tell me your views about that cultural event where Afzal guru was called a victim of judicial killing.
How true is that allegation ? Do u endorse their idea ? Or do u think that supporting a convicted terrorist with slogans like Afzal hum sharminda hain tere qatil zinda hain comes under freedom of expression ?[/QUOTE]
plenty people are against Judicial killing that includes me.... but am against pro afzal guru ... first of all let the RSS hoist Indian flag in their branches .... and Hindu mahasaba people on Gandhi killer...

 

[ranjeet]

see what kinda logic is this... are sure those videos are real??? at the same time when AAP showed some pics videos ... all of RSS parivar jumped to one conclusion that those are not real... let them face fair trial... if those videos are real they must be punished in fair manner... as well as OP sharma and those lawyers. .. you can't blame entire university for some random videos.... people may have different ideologies or different perception. .. but biased judgement is pathetic. .. if kahnayya found guilty. .. we can call him anti national. .. but judging him and tagging him anti national is nothing but stupidity. ... govt cracking down like is like pulling our own universities down in front of world... whatever the bassi doing is really laughable. .. he is pretending lot...

Hypocrisy thy name is Liberalism

 

[Pumba]

@jamahir whatever happened to your answers.

@danger007
Did i even mention national flag anywhere in my post ? I am asking u if afzal guru was killed or convected ? And is it ok for some one to hail afzal as a hero on the name of freedom of expression ? And here i am referring to afzal as a guy who planned or helped in parliament attack. Just a guy not a muslim guy. plz tell me your views.