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[Daneshmand]

Due to MTCR...but...it doesn't really matter when we have strong naval aviation...to fire brahmos 2....BTW some sources claim Brahmos range is 500+

The original Russian version on which Brahmos is based has a greater range, probably even greater than 500 km so the design does have the potential to be extended. But India is in a catch-22 situation. If they go ahead and increase the range, there will be international condemnation of both India and Russia. Iran is already condemned, so it does not care.

My point was due to the nature of the current Iranian defence establishment. They are not making hardware to advertise and sell these weapons. Of course in this case it would be prohibited anyway but in general, Iran has no reason to state the specifications of her systems. Why give information to the enemy for no reason.

Yes, that is another reason.

 

[Bornubus]

kh55
Used by

Russia,

China,

Iran



The planned operational range of the BrahMos-II has been restricted to 290 kilometres

Too short for a cruise missile

Brahmos is not for some cheap reverse engineered crap roam around our neighbourhood....it would be used against

1.HVT ..like Type 52 Destroyers

2.Infrastructure....like ....Dams,power plants,nuclear installations...especially situated close to our Western border


3.Air bases,Radar installation etc


I don't believe as authentic source....plZ visit Indian military pics thread....you can see some pics....of weapon systems which India never acknowledged

like S - 300

 

[MarkusS]

Which part exactly !?

we just unveiled this big boy without any specs !

show me the propaganda part !!!

Its hostile to show weapons while Israel cries that iran is warmongering and we try to show the oppossite. How does this build up trust?

 

[Frogman]

Ukraine has changed ... you know !?

It has, yet its policy on defence exports has not as its involvement in IDEX 2015 has shown. While I'm not here to argue semantics the Ukraine may be a realistic source for the import of weapons systems, including engines.

Not anymore. You see, Ukraine is now under a pro-Western government and has been under Western influence since orange "revolution". And since as per international law, the sale or transfer of technology for missiles with ranges greater than 300 km is banned, Ukraine can not do this without making West angry.

Even under the Russian backed government Ukraine exported systems to nations allied with the United States. While a missile can not be exported if it is capable of travelling a certain range its components can be sold alone, for instance the engines of BM or CM. While legally it may be difficult to export systems due to armament restrictions or sanctions on a nation or just universal restrictions there are ways around it and that is why nations such as NK and Iran which are very much pariahs can get their hand on systems usually seen in conventions such as SOFEX and IDEX.

The semantics are irrelevant really, I was merely trying to point out that despite instability the Ukraine still can export defence products (and has).

 

[Surenas]

Is there an obligation to achieve them in order to kindly express personnel opinions in a defence forum ? Instead of bashing the members talking about this thing, Why don't you enlighten us regarding detail informations, differences than its original clone, the guidance which will deliver this missile up to dedicated targets precisiously...etc ? Can you tell us something different than "We are great" like sentences ?

You don't know because you don't know. 500 knows, but doesn't want to know.

Like I said, its more likely that Iran already had this missile for years in operational capability before they decided to unveil it. How would I prove that? Everything points out to that. Iranian claims of already having a 2500km+ cruise missile in its arsenal, Israeli officials and missile experts openly expressing their concern of such missile and its implications and the fact that Iran is pouring massive funds into missile technology. You may want to listen to Uzi Rubin, Tal Inbar and other experts who have praised and spoken about a huge increase in Iranian missile capabilities.

Iran is not going to unveil all its specs to pleasure fanboys on military forums. The fact that it has unveiled this missile today, publishing clear photos of the missile and its firing, is probably now offsetting alarm bells in the defence and intelligence department of regional and international countries. They have always worried about this development, but now finally have prove. When Iran shows it, they understand it. The fact that you don't is not important.

 

[Daneshmand]

Lets see when this will be reverse engineered: P-800 Oniks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[cabatli_53]

My point was due to the nature of the current Iranian defence establishment. They are not making hardware to advertise and sell these weapons. Of course in this case it would be prohibited anyway but in general, Iran has no reason to state the specifications of her systems. Why give information to the enemy for no reason.

Nonsense reason. The people who is willing to find specifications of missiles Iran unveils, can easily do it on net by looking originals (With a simple logic, Iranian produced should be a bit downgraded one cause of being copy of original). If Iran talks about providing deterrence enough against enemies, You should introduce something different than What you are doing at present because Your achievements are coming one after another, introducing many similar kind of missiles for same purposes and It is an absolutely abnormal condition for a development project because The countries you see as rival/enemy, are spending their valuable 7-8 years to develop original missiles that you claimed as your copy. In this conditions and speed, The Iranian missiles/systems are believed either original's introduction with paintjob or way smaller /less range than original one or mock up...etc That's the reason why You are meeting such absurd comments of some members who wants to see something more than What you are talking about systems.

 

[500]

"There is no reason to suggest Iranian clone is better", What are you mumblling on about? You're judging this missile by the fact it looks the same to the kh-55, thus in your 'brain' you deduced it must be the same? Consider every Iranian weapon we have seen that was based on upgrades, when we've seen the internal components, they have been vastly more modern than the systems they were based on. This is common sense kid. The technology Iran has today, especially in filed of electronics, computers, it is much more advanced than primitive ones used during the making of the original kh-55. If you can't see this then your mental capacity is the barrier here.

Again personal attacks. X-55 is Soviet technology from 80-es. Here some examples of Soviet technology from same era:

Kindly tell us what makes u believe that u are more advanced?

 

[SOHEIL]

Its hostile to show weapons while Israel cries that iran is warmongering and we try to show the oppossite. How does this build up trust?

When a whore crying you have to punch her in face ... if not, she is gonna cry continuously !

 

[Bornubus]

@Shahryar Hedayati


Yes Range of Brahmos is short as its supersonic...

BUT

For long range 1000 km + we have this

Nirbhay - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Daneshmand]

It has, yet its policy on defence exports has not as its involvement in IDEX 2015 has shown. While I'm not here to argue semantics the Ukraine may be a realistic source for the import of weapons systems, including engines.



Even under the Russian backed government Ukraine exported systems to nations allied with the United States. While a missile can not be exported if it is capable of travelling a certain range its components can be sold alone, for instance the engines of BM or CM. While legally it may be difficult to export systems due to armament restrictions or sanctions on a nation or just universal restrictions there are ways around it and that is why nations such as NK and Iran which are very much pariahs can get their hand on systems usually seen in conventions such as SOFEX and IDEX.

The semantics are irrelevant really, I was merely trying to point out that despite instability the Ukraine still can export defence products (and has).

Well, as long as you have it, then who cares, right? At any rate Iran is not a signatory to MTCR and had signed the deal for these with Ukraine when Ukraine was not: Missile Technology Control Regime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Neither is Egypt. So do you want it or not?

 

[Frogman]

Well, as long as you have it, then who care, right? At any rate Iran is not a signatory to MTCR and had signed the deal for these with Ukraine when Ukraine was not: Missile Technology Control Regime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Neither is Egypt. So do you want it or not?

Depends if it's any good.

 

[Daneshmand]

Depends if it's any good.

It is better than having nothing.

 

[Shahryar Hedayati]

@Shahryar Hedayati


Yes Range of Brahmos is short as its supersonic...

BUT

For long range we have this

Nirbhay - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Bornubus]

May our countries...learn from each other...i see ...strong cooperation in the fields of

Space tech.

Pharmaceutical sector

IT

Oil and Gas exploration

Peace bro....