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[VEVAK]

Took the words right out of my mouth. Russia is a all around shit nation that will never be an ally to Iran in any meaningful way.

I really don't know why so many people like to view Iran and Russia as "allies" when clearly they're not anything even close to allies, more like unfortunate partners regarding certain matters. If push came to shove, Russia will abandon Iran to the wolves.

Question? I think it was you that comment a little earlier that it was Iran who changed the codes or the AA systems of Syria and the Russians provided the codes to the Israelis. How is this even a feasible thing for the Russians to do to the Syrians? One would can only imagine the outrage that SAA went through upon finding this out (given that this is indeed what happened). Basically I'm asking if this actually happened. Kind of scary tbh I hope Iran changed their codes for the S-300pmu2 systems it got.

Lol, but moral of the story is to NEVER trust the Russians, this I just simply agree with. Until they show some change in actions want to be actual allies then to me they're just playing the same game as everyone else.

Iran and Syria are true allies, Hezbollah and Iran and true allies, US and Israel are more like Master and slave xD.

The type of strategic partnership you speak of only happens in countries that have cultural, religious & or Ideological ties and similarities and NO major power on the planet holds such similarities with Iran! So if you were to replace Russia with France, Germany, U.K., China,... or any other major power in the world do you actually think they would be willing to bleed for Iran or ever risk their own economies for Iran even the U.S. unless your one of their puppet states where they practically own a large section of your economy the answer would still be NO so in that regard Russia is no different than any other major power on the planet!

We Iranians look at our relations with the U.S. when we were a puppet state during the shah and we think we can have a strategic partnership with a major power that would treat us as if a puppet state when it comes to defending Iran but without actually being a puppet state as it pertains to our economy and defense spending!


As for the Russian codes the MAIN problem with Iranian S-300's is NOT the Codes being handed off because neither the Israeli's or American will carryout an attack on Iran based on trust placed on Russian encryptions handed to them! THE MAIN Problem with Iranian S-300 systems is their limited number in a country the size of Iran and due to their limited number all Iranian S-300 Fire control, Targeting equipment and radars can and will likely be tracked using space based assets and against Iran especially against a limited number of high profile highly capable systems deep inside Iranian territory the 1st go to option both for the Israeli's and Americans against limited number of high value targets that don't require large payloads would be covert actions using Spy's & special forces using specialized high tech equipment armed with low payload weapons or worse portable directed energy weapons
Especially today where invisibility cloaks are no longer science fiction a special forces team assisted by spy's could easily enter your territory via underground tunnels and deploy cloaked UGV armed with rockets, suicide UAV's or specialized short ranged missiles deployed from within 10km away

Today the Americans have the technology to send battalions of cloaked remotely operated unmanned ground vehicles into Iran that would each be armed with various types of weapons that would be deployed against high value targets like S-300's so it's doubtful that they'll let it get to a point where they have to test the Russian encryptions

 

[zectech]

Today's Russia is not backstabber as some ppl say it here and also they are not our strategic allies too . I remember there was debate about it and the guy in TV rightly name it "strategic alliance in time of need !"

It's important that which face of Iran we are showing to others and based on this picture other countries decide to have certain degree of relationship with us or not .

1:30

Zionists own Putin like the Zionists own Washington. Zionists seem to have the choice of two options: zionist Republicans or zionist Democrats. Zionist Russia or Zionist Amerika. And all slaves follow along with this choice and pick their zionist flavour of filth. Putin is ally of Netanyahu, not Iran. Iran is there for Putin to steer and try to control because Putin is a ex-KGB agent, a spy for the zionists to befriend the free Muslims. You think Putin is bombing Syria for Assad? Putin bombs Syria because Putin like to bomb Muslims and because the zionists ok'd the Russian involvement to get rid of ISIS.

All this posturing by the Russian navy is simply show to make it seem like Putin cares about Assad. When Netanyahu wants Assad dead, Putin will let it happen. Like with Saddam, like with Qaddafi. If Putin cared about rich Qaddafi, Vlad would have sold the best missile defense system and best anti-ship missile to Libya while Qaddafi was aware of the imminent attack by the zionist league.

Russia is not selling the best missiles, fighters and tanks to Iran because Iran is an enemy of Putin. You sanction your enemies, not your friends. Friends look after friends. You want your enemy to undergo crushing sanctions to make them weak for the zionist take over.

If you really want to know about Putin start with what propelled Vlad into office:

These false flag attacks were blamed on Muslims to instigate a war to genocide Muslims.

Never trust Putin the Muslim killer. Iran is on their own to develop missile technology. And planes and other vital defenses.

 

[Kastor]

When a leader of another country belittles you and goes and tells the world that he will bring such wrath on your country that the world has rarely seen, the answer is not to suck up to demands to talk.

That teaches your opponent the next time he wants to talk to you, he will come at you by belittling your country and your people because that is how to get your attention. Rather than from a point of mutual respect, you will spoken to like servant.

You have a lot to learn about geopolitics.

Last I checked, when a president came at Iran from a point of mutual respect Iran sat and talked for years. It resulted in a deal (JCPOA) and Iran abiding by its terms.

What did that exactly get Iran?

NOTHING!

The US tore the paper like it wasn’t worth a damn thing! Because they decided they want more! The rest of the world followed
their orders like good Little soldiers.

European countries that existed for centuries prior to the US, had to embarrass themselves and kneel in front of the US.

Don’t you get it? The US Empire is a war machine, it needs war/conflict to survive. Since it’s birth it has been consumed by war.

So no Iran is not hermit kingdom North Korea, it will not talk for the sake of talking. Nor will it amuse absurd demands.

So sooner or later if the US deep state doesn’t change what type of relationship they want to have with Iran, then War will come.

Unfortunately, it is not Iran’s decision anymore. The US will decide when the war starts.

Talks and negotiations is just code for surrender now.

Well you would understand why I was saying that if you knew how the U.S. government operates. In D.C. everyday is a tug of war, people on the right pulling congress towards more sanction and military action and on the left people wanting to address bigger and more important issues such N. Korea, Russian meddling etc.....when Iran does not have a presence on the scene or on TV, radio and web the other side's narrative wins. Simple as that. Russia and the U.S. were enemies for decades do you think they stopped talking to each other during that time? N. Korea was close to firing missiles over to Guam...did they refuse to meet with Trump and Pompeo? No! Iran needs to stop acting like the girl who got stood up. Grow up, diplomacy is for grown ups. We need a fluent English diplomat on U.S./ English/ Canadian TV defending our position every week...if not every day...instead our leaders act like "oh you lied to us so now were going to take our ball and go home". You say if they stop belittling us and respect us maybe then...what are you talking about?? None of that crap is necessary. You talk or meet because you try to get something in return from your rivals, even only if its just to stall for time...we don't need them to like us or smile at us and talk about Hafez. Who cares if they don't respect us, if you were the biggest economy and the biggest military in the world would you kiss another countries a$$ so they could talk to you?....this is the kind of behavior and fantasy that has hurt us for 40 years. While the Arabs and Jews economies have been flourishing.

 

[AmirPatriot]

Well you would understand why I was saying that if you knew how the U.S. government operates. In D.C. everyday is a tug of war, people on the right pulling congress towards more sanction and military action and on the left people wanting to address bigger and more important issues such N. Korea, Russian meddling etc.....when Iran does not have a presence on the scene or on TV, radio and web the other side's narrative wins. Simple as that. Russia and the U.S. were enemies for decades do you think they stopped talking to each other during that time? N. Korea was close to firing missiles over to Guam...did they refuse to meet with Trump and Pompeo? No! Iran needs to stop acting like the girl who got stood up. Grow up, diplomacy is for grown ups. We need a fluent English diplomat on U.S./ English/ Canadian TV defending our position every week...if not every day...instead our leaders act like "oh you lied to us so now were going to take our ball and go home". You say if they stop belittling us and respect us maybe then...what are you talking about?? None of that crap is necessary. You talk or meet because you try to get something in return from your rivals, even only if its just to stall for time...we dont need to like us or smile at us and talk about Hafez. Who cares if they don't respect us, if you were the biggest economy and the biggest military in the world would kiss another countries a$$ so they could talk to you?....this is the kind of behavior and fantasy that has hurt us for 40 years. While the Arabs and Jews economies have been flurourishing.

Screw the disrespect for a minute, the comparisons between Iran and North Korea are false. North Korea has NUKES (of the thermonuclear kind) and the ICBMs to deliver them to New York, Washington, LA, you name it. That, my friend, is LEVERAGE. They have so much darned leverage that they just dismantle an old testing facility while they keep doing what they want - building more nukes and ICBMs. Furthermore, all they were asking for was a summit. Just a summit! All Kim wanted was some legitimacy and he got it, recognised as a nuclear power.

Iran has NO leverage. Iran gave away all its leverage in the JCPOA, for benefits that were just cut off in an instant. At least if the JCPOA was still there, Iran could use the sanctions relief itself as leverage, saying that we don't need to make a deal anyway, we have what we want. Now not only do the Americans want Iran to completely delete it's nuclear program, they want us to give up our missiles and our role in Syria. All of these are Iran's ESSENTIAL interests and we're asking for a lot in return, the return of sanctions relief. Which is itself not worth the paper it is written on after what the US did to the JCPOA.

There can be no negotiation with this maximalist US unless we get our leverage back. Only then can we afford to give minor concessions like NK did.

 

[Kastor]

Screw the disrespect for a minute, the comparisons between Iran and North Korea are false. North Korea has NUKES (of the thermonuclear kind) and the ICBMs to deliver them to New York, Washington, LA, you name it. That, my friend, is LEVERAGE. They have so much darned leverage that they just dismantle an old testing facility while they keep doing what they want - building more nukes and ICBMs. Furthermore, all they were asking for was a summit. Just a summit! All Kim wanted was some legitimacy and he got it, recognised as a nuclear power.

Iran has NO leverage. Iran gave away all its leverage in the JCPOA, for benefits that were just cut off in an instant. At least if the JCPOA was still there, Iran could use the sanctions relief itself as leverage, saying that we don't need to make a deal anyway, we have what we want. Now not only do the Americans want Iran to completely delete it's nuclear program, they want us to give up our missiles and our role in Syria. All of these are Iran's ESSENTIAL interests and we'd askingfor a lot in return, the return of sanctions relief. Which is itself not worth the paper it is written on after what the US did to the JCPOA.

There can be no negotiation with this maximalist US unless we get our leverage back. Only then can we afford to give minor concessions like NK did.

Ok, you're right about leverage but there are other leverages in play, Iraq, Syria and Yemen. The fact that they want a sit down means you got leverage. In any case, set that aside for a minute, let's say our diplomats just meet, they will lay down those ridiculous demands on the table. Our side declines and our diplomats go on tv and tell the world about the ridiculous demands. We then walkaway and let the press question the U.S. administration about the non-starter demands and if they just threw away a possible opening with Iran.

 

[zectech]

In D.C. everyday is a tug of war, people on the right pulling congress towards more sanction and military action and on the left people wanting to address bigger and more important issues such N. Korea, Russian meddling etc....

AIPAC pulls the strings of both sides. Remember Gaddafi was removed from power under Obama, the Democrats are nearly as warmongers as the Republicans. The JCPOA was a zionist concept to prevent Iran from developing nukes under Obama. The American people voted for Obama to be a peace president, even though there were something like 7 conflicts. A war with Iran when the American people did not vote for that would have been devastating for the war effort. To prevent a Ron Paul type candidate from winning the presidency, the zionists can't have another Vietnam War, especially when they did not vote for a war. The key is to get the public to demand a war via the jewish media indoctrination.

 

[azbaroj]

You misunderstood, by talking to the enemy you can stall or diffuse actions...don’t you see by the fact that Iran refusal to talk the vacuum left is being filled by the Zionist and the Gulf Arabs. This bullshit we won’t even talk is useless and amateurish, almost as useless as shouting “Margh bar America” every damn day...yeah they’re really hurting now.

US want to talk on twelve points which are basically complete surrender to US . That means if you agree to give up your missile programme , space programme , support Hezbollah , Nuclear programme and everything , and if Iran agree to these points , much more new points will be added .

 

[Arminkh]

Ok, you're right leverage but there are other leverages in play, Iraq, Syria and Yemen. The fact that they want a sit down means you got leverage. In any case, set that aside for a minute, let's say our diplomats just meet, they will lay down those ridiculous demands on the table. Our side declines and our diplomats go on tv and tell the world about the ridiculous demands. We then walkaway and let the press question the U.S. administration about the non-starter demands and if they just threw away a possible opening with Iran.

But they just did that, right? The world and reporters have the biggest opportunity to question US motives because they walked away from a signed agreement without cause. Has that changed anything? Does US even care (I'm talking about both government and citizens)?
Negotiation starts when the two sides at least have some similarities in their objectives. When one side wants to strip the other side from any defensive means, and give back what? Permission to use their currency again, then that is a nonstarter. USD will eventually lose its position as the international currency and then Iran is left with a no defensive and not much gain.
I tell you why Trump wants to sit down. He wants to make the world believe that after the unethical move he made, he tried to correct it offering much better terms to Iran but evil Iran rejected that. With the massive media power they have, they can make people believe anything and again, nobody is going to ever hear why Iran didn't accept the deal.

 

[AmirPatriot]

Ok, you're right leverage but there are other leverages in play, Iraq, Syria and Yemen. The fact that they want a sit down means you got leverage. In any case, set that aside for a minute, let's say our diplomats just meet, they will lay down those ridiculous demands on the table. Our side declines and our diplomats go on tv and tell the world about the ridiculous demands. We then walkaway and let the press question the U.S. administration about the non-starter demands and if they just threw away a possible opening with Iran.

At best all this will do is make a the US look a bit worse on the international stage. But they can't go much lower.

Iran's strategy is to wait out this administration, hoping it only gets one term. Sitting down now, while US is telling everyone they have us where they want us, is a sign of weakness. There cannot be even the possibility of a "new deal". If the next administration is not Trump's, we don't want them to say "okay, let's pick up where the last one left off", because the sanctions would stay. We want them to reverse Trump's actions, not improve on them.

About Iraq/Syria/Yemen... at best we could end our role in Yemen (since we haven't invested much, nor will we lose much), but those 12 demands are a lot more than just Yemen. Besides, the Israeli lobby doesn't give a shit about Yemen, they'd much rather see Iran under sanctions.

 

[zectech]

At best all this will do is make a the US look a bit worse on the international stage. But they can't go much lower.

Iran's strategy is to wait out this administration, hoping it only gets one term. Sitting down now, while US is telling everyone they have us where they want us, is a sign of weakness. There cannot be even the possibility of a "new deal". If the next administration is not Trump's, we don't want them to say "okay, let's pick up where the last one left off", because the sanctions would stay. We want them to reverse Trump's actions, not improve on them.

About Iraq/Syria/Yemen... at best we could end our role in Yemen (since we haven't invested much, nor will we lose much), but those 12 demands are a lot more than just Yemen. Besides, the Israeli lobby doesn't give a shit about Yemen, they'd much rather see Iran under sanctions.

The only thing Washington is doing is trying to get Iran into a weakened condition to invade. The same is true for North Korea, Washington wants to put Kim on the Libyan model for regime change. First make sure there are no WMDs or wmd programs, then invade.

 

[Kastor]

At best all this will do is make a the US look a bit worse on the international stage. But they can't go much lower.

Iran's strategy is to wait out this administration, hoping it only gets one term. Sitting down now, while US is telling everyone they have us where they want us, is a sign of weakness. There cannot be even the possibility of a "new deal". If the next administration is not Trump's, we don't want them to say "okay, let's pick up where the last one left off", because the sanctions would stay. We want them to reverse Trump's actions, not improve on them.

About Iraq/Syria/Yemen... at best we could end our role in Yemen (since we haven't invested much, nor will we lose much), but those 12 demands are a lot more than just Yemen. Besides, the Israeli lobby doesn't give a shit about Yemen, they'd much rather see Iran under sanctions.

Absolutely correct...I like your thinking. We can agree and disagree, maybe not have a summit but have a representative on TV telling people that we agreed to a deal and for the first time in U.S. history, a president nullified a deal without cause....we can also tell the people here that if we had not intervened ISIS would own Iraq, Syria and who knows where else. We can remind people that our neighbors are armed to the teeth and hellbent on our destruction while the U.S. is demanding we give up our missile program. You see this whole side of the story is missing in the media, this is not the fault of the Zionist...this is our fault. We need to be in front of the negative stories.....before any laws and sanctions or even military action the zionists wage a media war. In this war we don't even have an army! Also you're correct about AIPAC, Israel's number one asset in the White House Mr. Jared Kushner along with the now disgraced Bannon are responsible for the whole deal unraveling....Bannon is gone, and the FBI is closing in on Mr. Kushner...After Kushner's indictment you will see the focus shift away from Iran. In the mean time my main point is still valid, you keep talking and air opposing views in the US media. Let the free press help us, the entire media conglomerate is not owned by the Zionist yet. There are some very smart people in the government and scholarly circles here in the U.S. that don't like the massive Israeli influence in their foreign policy....we need to help them by giving them a narrative. by not talking and by not having a rep here in the U.S. is closing the doors on those facts and truths. This kind of silence will not help the people in the government here that want a different policy toward Iran. Israel wants the U.S. to do sacrifice even more blood and treasure for them. The people in these intelligence and military circles are getting sick of it.

The only thing Washington is doing is trying to get Iran into a weakened condition to invade. The same is true for North Korea, Washington wants to put Kim on the Libyan model for regime change. First make sure there are no WMDs or wmd programs, then invade.

No there is no invasion on the table....this is just bluster. U.S. does not want another war in the Mideast...however, if we give them a reason they will bomb the sh it out of our assests and infrastructure. Why? because Trump needs a reason to turn the focus away from himself, and nothing does that like a bombing campaign playing out on TV 24/7. So let's be smart. Enough of this amateurish policy of "We won't talk to the Great Satan"....Again before the less than sharp set jump all over this as surrender or appeasement, I'm not advocating giving up anything with our Nuclear energy or missile program...they can ask, even demand but we don't have to give them anything. All I'm saying if that it's smart to have a different narrative than the Zionist one in D.C.

 

[zectech]

No there is no invasion on the table....this is just bluster. U.S. does not want another war in the Mideast...however, if we give them a reason they will bomb the sh it out of our assests and infrastructure. Why? because Trump needs a reason to turn the focus away from himself, and nothing does that like a bombing campaign playing out on TV 24/7. So let's be smart. Enough of this amateurish policy of "We won't talk to the Great Satan"....Again before the less than sharp set jump all over this as surrender or appeasement, I'm not advocating giving up anything with our Nuclear energy or missile program...they can ask, even demand but we don't have to give them anything. All I'm saying if that it's smart to have a different narrative than the Zionist one in D.C.

Washington: don't develop nukes and we won't attack
Iran: Ok
Washington: don't develop any more missile and we won't attack
Iran: Ok
Washington: don't develop any more air defenses and we won't attack
Iran: Ok
Washington: disarm all your missiles and we won't attack
Iran: Ok
Washington: disarm all your air defenses and we won't attack
Iran: Ok
Washington: Get rid of your mullahs and we won't attack
Iran: No.

Iran attacked.

Here is the evil that Iran is facing...

Trump is a closet neo-con. A Muslim hating neo-con. And they only get worse than Trump in the other options on the Right. The Republican Primary in 2016 was a bunch of McCains vs Trump. They all want to bomb Iran. Negociate with Washington and you are dealing with your enemy who is plotting your death. Who was the last country Iran attacked and invaded with their armed forces. You have to go back to the 1800s or something.

 

[Valeriu]

Washington: don't develop nukes and we won't attack
Iran: Ok
Washington: don't develop any more missile and we won't attack
Iran: Ok
Washington: don't develop any more air defenses and we won't attack
Iran: Ok
Washington: disarm all your missiles and we won't attack
Iran: Ok
Washington: disarm all your air defenses and we won't attack
Iran: Ok
Washington: Get rid of your mullahs and we won't attack
Iran: No.

Iran attacked.

The mullahs are destroying Iran.Iran needs to go back to its roots,before being conquered by an ideology spread by homeless deserrt dwellers....shia/sunni....it s all the same crap,they need to be Sassanids/Persians again.

 

[Kastor]

Washington: don't develop nukes and we won't attack
Iran: Ok
Washington: don't develop any more missile and we won't attack
Iran: Ok
Washington: don't develop any more air defenses and we won't attack
Iran: Ok
Washington: disarm all your missiles and we won't attack
Iran: Ok
Washington: disarm all your air defenses and we won't attack
Iran: Ok
Washington: Get rid of your mullahs and we won't attack
Iran: No.

Iran attacked.

My friend.....if they want to attack they can attack...they don't need any reason. They can create one with a nice false flag operation. This is all a fantasy. This is what I've saying for the past 3-4 posts. There are people in the government in the U.S. that don't want and will prevent a war on Iran. Why? Because in a real democracy there are 3 or 4 different sides to every action. They need to have buy-in from congress to attack, I've been hearing about an invasion since the Bush Presidency. This is why nothing can get done here, because the center of power in this democracy is split up between the President, congress and the court system. They need to get the votes to attack Iran or Iran needs to attack an asset of theirs before they have the authorisation to attack Iran. Anyway, this is all just elementary stuff.

 

[zectech]

Washington fears Iran. Fears a war with Iran because Iran is doing things right. Especially in missile tech, which is what Trump is after next.