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Bal Thackeray wants burqa banned

Dupatta with Shalwaar kameez looks lovely, and it is as "effective" (in absence of a better word) as burqa

burqa is ugly -- but once again, that's my personal humble opinion


let people decide what they want to wear......not taleban type jerk-off hypocrites who say one thing --- but obcess about sex and and **** while nobody is watching them.

i call such people cowards who hide behind their beards

I agree with you here.....The point is not to dress provocatively and a Shalwar Kameez does the job....

Besides has anyone considered how hot it must get inside that Burqa?? I mean in the sweltering heat of India and Pakistan.....more than lack of human rights, I feel these women must be suffering from heat strokes, dehydration...etc.....BTW...Im just saying all this based on my imagination of what it would feel like for a woman to wear this garb....
No intentions of hurting anyone's feeling...Esp Coolyo....

BTW....Bal Thackrey's words should be taken with a grain of salt....The old man is desperate for attention now having run out of issues....Idle mind is the devils playground!!
 
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We are quick to say women should keep their gaze down and be as pure and modest as possible

But we (as in some small group of ignorant Muslims) are so hypocritical and so short-sighted to say men shouldn't whistle or harass/stare at women in the first place

Well said. North India as a whole - especially Haryana, Delhi, Bihar, Eastern UP - probably has the highest 'restrictions' on women based on culture and tradition (although it is nowhere close to what we are discussing here).

These states also have a macho, patriarchal culture that dominates women.

Guess which states in India also have among the highest incidents of abuse of women, harassment of women, molestation and rape?

On a more general, global, basis - I would recommend people to find out which countries are among the 'leaders' in terms of their citizens surfing for **** online!
 
Your ignorance speaks for itself!

And the burqa was made so that people like yourself could keep their glaring eyes to themselves, or atleast away from those who don't want them near them.

Funny how you isolate all religious Muslims as "Wahabis" and "Taliban"

Like I said earlier, I am against those people. But I am also against people like yourself who have the dirty mentality of a secular-fascist!

The burqa is beauty, alhamdulillah!

Doing something for the love of Allah is beauty!


You obviously don't know the meaning of a burqa in the first place!

Like I said earlier, just because you are a Shia, doesn't give you the right to spread hatred against Islamic (Sunni) practices!


No offense brother....Just out of curiosity....How does one know that they are attracted to women, if they have never seen a woman's beauty??

I mean if you have a country full of women who only dress in burqa....how do you know who you're marrying?...who You're talking to..damn who you're attracted to male/female??.That would mean the only woman you've ever seen is one's mother....And that wreaks of what Freud called an Oedipus complex....sick!!

I would really like you to tell me more about this....

Frankly, I find the Hijab quite attractive.....I think women look exceptionally good and decent in that....I see a lot of beautiful Iranian women in the Hijab....correct me if Im using the wrong terminology.
 
I agree with you here.....The point is not to dress provocatively and a Shalwar Kameez does the job....

Besides has anyone considered how hot it must get inside that Burqa?? I mean in the sweltering heat of India and Pakistan.....more than lack of human rights, I feel these women must be suffering from heat strokes, dehydration...etc.....BTW...Im just saying all this based on my imagination of what it would feel like for a woman to wear this garb....
No intentions of hurting anyone's feeling...Esp Coolyo....

BTW....Bal Thackrey's words should be taken with a grain of salt....The old man is desperate for attention now having run out of issues....Idle mind is the devils playground!!

- It Poses a Major Security threat from muslims, non-muslims, females or males doesn't matter, the Maulana in Lal Masjid tried to run away in a Burqa, the terrorist in the london bombing was wearing a burqa to

- Complete Lack of Vitamen D due to no sunlight is terrible as well.
- Complete Destruction of confidence, willpower and self esteem

Its a completely inhumane way to treat your woman like that.. they aren't your pets or slaves that you can cage in like that.. I get really pissed of at people who try to justify that Burqa is a good thing and a woman wears it because 'She wants to'

an absolutely bullshit argument and people who think that way need to be kicked out of the country
 
Wed, 01 July 2009
Rajab 07, 1430
The Great Burqa Debate​

By Irfan Husain


For the first time in my life, I put on a burqa this morning. Not because I have suddenly become a cross-dresser, but just to undergo the experience millions of Muslim women go through every day of their adult lives. Although I only had it on for a couple of minutes, the world grew dark, even though I was wearing the garment with two veils, rather than the extreme one that leaves only a narrow slit to see through.

The lower veil, consisting of fine black nylon netting, did let in some light, but the heavier outer one allowed me to see only vague outlines of objects. Apart from drastically curtailing visibility, the full burqa restricted my movement, and even on a relatively cool summer morning in England, I felt very hot. The thought of having to wear one of these garments for much of my waking life fills me with horror, even though my wife thought it was a big improvement.

Certainly, given my very brief experience, I would not wish anybody to wear it. But what if somebody wanted to, whatever her reasons? As a liberal, I have always believed in the right of others to act as they wish, provided they are not usurping the rights of anybody else. But what if by claiming this right, a woman is challenging the values of the society she has chosen to live in? This is the question the French are currently grappling with.

By insisting that women wearing the full burqa or the niqab are not welcome on French soil, the French president has opened a bitter debate that has split the feminist movement as well as French civil society at large. The issue broke into the open when Andre Gerin, the (Communist) MP from Rhone, moved a motion in the Assembly calling for the establishment of ‘an enquiry commission to study the practice of wearing the burqa and the niqab on national territory’. The motion was supported by 58 MPs, and a commission of 16 members from across the political spectrum has now been set up to look into the matter. It is entirely possible that after this commission has submitted its report, the government may move the Assembly to vote on an outright ban.

According to estimates, only a handful of French Muslims actually wear the full burqa that leaves a narrow slit to see through, covering every inch of the body. Presumably, this is the sort of attire the Taliban forced women into when they were in power in Afghanistan. Even though some Muslim women might choose to wear this garment of their own free will, the general perception is that they are forced to by their husbands, fathers or brothers.

Liberals as well as conservatives in France have welcomed this move. Nicolas Sarkozy, the French President, has made it clear where he stands on the debate by calling the burqa ‘a sign of subjugation … of debasement.’ Other MPs have called burqas ‘veritable walking prisons.’

For nearly a century, France has adhered to a very strict secular code. Five years ago, a ban on wearing religious symbols like the hijab in state schools was imposed amidst much controversy. Although France has the biggest Muslim population in Europe, Muslims remain largely marginalised, confined to banlieues or suburban concrete jungles. Unemployment rate among young Muslims is high, and they complain of regular police harassment. Often, this resentment erupts into violent riots. But before readers conclude that the French are bigots, let me remind them that hundreds of mosques have been built in France over the years, and there are many private Muslim schools in the country. Which Muslim country extends this degree of religious tolerance to its non-Muslim residents?

The extent of the divergent opinions over the burqa issue can be judged by the reaction of Fadela Amara, a (Muslim) member of Sarkozy’s cabinet. A founder of a women’s rights group, Ms Amara has called the burqa ‘a coffin that kills individual liberties’, and a sign of the ‘political exploitation of Islam.’

Others have argued that a ban would fuel the Islamophobia already rife in French society. But by and large, even the most liberal European views burqas with unease, if not horror. The debate has crossed the Channel, with many British newspapers joining in. Marian Whittaker writes to the editor of the Guardian:

‘The key point is this: the face is far too important to be covered. It is crucial both to being recognised as an individual and to communication between people. Facial expression and body posture (also masked by the burqa) contribute a huge proportion of the information we transmit to each other, irrespective of the voice… In this instance, I believe Sarkozy is dead right. The burqa deprives its wearer of identity and cuts her off from effective communication with the rest of society. It is not a sartorial choice, but an instrument of oppression in the guise of a religious observance…’

In the same issue of the Guardian, Claire Dolman writes: ‘…there are many French women, like me, who find it very difficult to accept in our country ‘women who are prisoners behind netting, cut off from all social life, deprived of identity.’

Quite apart from the principle of free will involved here, how does wearing the burqa impact on Muslim women wearing it in the West? There have been anecdotal reports of muttered insults from passers-by. Some veiled women have been asked for job interviews, but when the prospective employer has seen the hijab or the burqa, applicants have been rejected.

In one extreme case, a woman of Moroccan descent was denied French nationality, even though her children were automatically accorded the right as they had been born in France. According to Le Monde, the judge ruled that the woman had adopted ‘in the name of a radical interpretation of her faith a social behaviour incompatible with the fundamental values of the French community, notably the principle of gender equality…’

In such a tricky area where personal rights overlap and infringe on the values of the host population, it is difficult to see what is best for the individual burqa-clad Muslim woman.

If pressed to voice an opinion, I would suggest if there is no coercion, a woman should be free to choose what she wants to wear. But if her choice has been formed by peer group or family pressure, she would be better off in less conspicuous garments.


DAWN.COM | Columnists | The great burqa debate

 
Your ignorance speaks for itself!

And the burqa was made so that people like yourself could keep their glaring eyes to themselves, or atleast away from those who don't want them near them

No, you see --- that is why i said that instead of always forcing women to do things --- the men should also be chastized for staring/whistling harassing

For the record, I have no problems with males and females outside of wed-lock interacting with eachother.

in ancient Arabia, women were doing most of the work and trading and interacting with men out in the open.

Doesnt mean people should be engaging in public displays of affection; but we need to loosen up a bit --especially in the rural areas


Funny how you isolate all religious Muslims as "Wahabis" and "Taliban"

i did nothing of the sort


Like I said earlier, I am against those people. But I am also against people like yourself who have the dirty mentality of a secular-fascist!

how am I a secular fascist?

I think you (once again) did not read my post properly.

I said that I personally am against burqa because I think they are un-necessary and ugly as hell.

But in the end it is the women (and ONLY the women) who should decide how they want to dress


The burqa is beauty, alhamdulillah!

Your opinion is in sharp contrast to mine, but I still respect your opinion.


Doing something for the love of Allah is beauty!

That is true. And there are many ways of pleasing Allah SWT. Just be true to your self, your society and your country.


You obviously don't know the meaning of a burqa in the first place!

that is an incorrect assumption


Like I said earlier, just because you are a Shia, doesn't give you the right to spread hatred against Islamic (Sunni) practices!

Like I said earlier, I am a Muslim. Not a Sunni or a Shiia.

I am not spreading hatred against Islamic practices.





(for the record, there are also Shiia women who wear the Burqa)
 
Speaking of raising hackles, I have found that people who avidly espouse religion - religion supposedly being tolerant, humanist et al - are often first in line to be aggressive, rude, unwilling to think and apparently capable of accepting nothing less than what they think is the truth. Very 'unreligious'!

Couldn't have said it better..The fact that they completely ignore that humans have the strong ability to use brains and the capacity to think for themselves about whats right and wrong, whats rational and irrational and to make their own judgements, decisions and choose the path that they see fit for themselves is rather quiet sad.

Some of them are nice i am not going to label all of them as nuts, but the fact that they completely quarintine any criticism thrown at their religion shows failure of their imagination, of their ability to think for themselves
 
we have this bad habit of being overly emotional and sensitive......if people's ideas differ from our own we say they are 'wrong' and we resort to name-calling --- rather than asking them to explain themselves

we need to learn to respect people's opinions without shouting all the time.


just look at the Parliament Assembly --- their behaviour is similar to that of the people on the street. Just a few days back in Punjab Assembly, PML-N and PML-Q had disagreement over a matter and all of a sudden people were slapping eachother and throwing things --- like a bunch of damn fools.


this needs to stop
 
Couldn't have said it better..The fact that they completely ignore that humans have the strong ability to use brains and the capacity to think for themselves about whats right and wrong, whats rational and irrational and to make their own judgements, decisions and choose the path that they see fit for themselves is rather quiet sad.

Some of them are nice i am not going to label all of them as nuts, but the fact that they completely quarintine any criticism thrown at their religion shows failure of their imagination, of their ability to think for themselves

I agree with you both completely the thing that gets me about these e-mullahs types shoving it down our throats is burqa/niqab is NOT commanded in islam or even mentioned in the koran once ! :hitwall:
 
why I as a British muslim want want burkha banned.........

Why I, as a British Muslim woman, want the burkha banned from our streets | Mail Online

Shopping in Harrods last week, I came across a group of women wearing black burkhas, browsing the latest designs in the fashion department.
The irony of the situation was almost laughable. Here was a group of affluent women window shopping for designs that they would never once be able to wear in public.
Yet it's a sight that's becoming more and more commonplace. In hardline Muslim communities right across Britain, the burkha and hijab - the Muslim headscarf - are becoming the norm.

Saira Khan, runner up in the first series of The Apprentice, believes the burkha is an oppressive tool and says it is time to ban it from the streets of Britain

In the predominantly Muslim enclaves of Derby near my childhood home, you now see women hidden behind the full-length robe, their faces completely shielded from view. In London, I see an increasing number of young girls, aged four and five, being made to wear the hijab to school.
Shockingly, the Dickensian bone disease rickets has reemerged in the British Muslim community because women are not getting enough vital vitamin D from sunlight because they are being consigned to life under a shroud.
Thanks to fundamentalist Muslims and 'hate' preachers working in Britain, the veiling of women is suddenly all-pervasive and promoted as a basic religious right. We are led to believe that we must live with this in the name of 'tolerance'.
'The veil is a tool of oppression used to alienate and control women under the guise of religious freedom'

And yet, as a British Muslim woman, I abhor the practice and am calling on the Government to follow the lead of French President Nicolas Sarkozy and ban the burkha in our country.
The veil is simply a tool of oppression which is being used to alienate and control women under the guise of religious freedom.
My parents moved here from Kashmir in the 1960s. They brought with them their faith and their traditions - but they also understood that they were starting a new life in a country where Islam was not the main religion.
My mother has always worn traditional Kashmiri clothes - the salwar kameez, a long tunic worn over trousers, and the chador, which is like a pashmina worn around the neck or over the hair.
When she found work in England, she adapted her dress without making a fuss. She is still very much a traditional Muslim woman, but she swims in a normal swimming costume and jogs in a tracksuit.
I was born in this country, and my parents' greatest desire for me was that I would integrate and take advantage of the British education system.
They wanted me to make friends at school, and be able to take part in PE lessons - not feel alienated and cut off from my peers. So at home, I wore the salwar kameez, while at school I wore a wore a typical English school uniform.
Now, to some fundamentalists, that made us not proper Muslims. Really?
I have read the Koran. Nowhere in the Koran does it state that a woman's face and body must be covered in a layer of heavy black cloth. Instead, Muslim women should dress modestly, covering their arms and legs.
Many of my adult British Muslim friends cover their heads with a headscarf - and I have no problem with that.
The burkha is an entirely different matter. It is an imported Saudi Arabian tradition, and the growing number of women veiling their faces in Britain is a sign of creeping radicalisation, which is not just regressive, it is oppressive and downright dangerous.
The burkha is an extreme practice. It is never right for a woman to hide behind a veil and shut herself off from people in the community. But it is particularly wrong in Britain, where it is alien to the mainstream culture for someone to walk around wearing a mask.
'Nowhere in the Koran does it state that a woman's face and body must be covered in a layer of heavy black cloth'
The veil restricts women. It stops them achieving their full potential in all areas of their life, and it stops them communicating. It sends out a clear message: 'I do not want to be part of your society.'
Every time the burkha is debated, Muslim fundamentalists bring out all these women who say: 'It's my choice to wear this.'
Perhaps so - but what pressures have been brought to bear on them? The reality, surely, is that a lot of women are not free to choose.
Girls as young as four are wearing the hijab to school: that is not a freely made choice. It stops them taking part in education and reaching their potential, and the idea that tiny children need to protect their modesty is abhorrent.
And behind the closed doors of some Muslim houses, countless young women are told to wear the hijab and the veil. These are the girls who are hidden away, they are not allowed to go to university or choose who they marry. In many cases, they are kept down by the threat of violence.
The burkha is the ultimate visual symbol of female oppression. It is the weapon of radical Muslim men who want to see Sharia law on Britain's streets, and would love women to be hidden, unseen and unheard. It is totally out of place in a civilised country.
Precisely because it is impossible to distinguish between the woman who is choosing to wear a burkha and the girl who has been forced to cover herself and live behind a veil, I believe it should be banned.

French President Sarkozy has backed moves to outlaw burkhas in France

President Sarkozy is absolutely right to say: 'If you want to live here, live like us.'
He went on to say that the burkha is not a religious sign, 'it's a sign of subservience, a sign of debasement... In our country, we cannot accept that women be prisoners behind a screen, cut off from all social life, deprived of all identity.'
So what should we do in Britain? For decades, Muslim fundamentalists, using the human rights laws, have been allowed to get their own way.
It is time for ministers and ordinary British Muslims to say, 'Enough is enough'. For the sake of women and children, the Government must ban the wearing of the hijab in school and the burkha in public places.
To do so is not racist, as extremists would have us believe. After all, when I go to Pakistan or Middle Eastern countries, I respect the way they live.
Two years ago, I wore a burkha for the first time for a television programme. It was the most horrid experience. It restricted the way I walked, what I saw, and how I interacted with the world.
It took away my personality. I felt alienated and like a freak. It was hot and uncomfortable, and I was unable to see behind me, exchange a smile with people, or shake hands.

If I had been forced to wear a veil, I would certainly not be free to write this article. Nor would I have run a marathon, become an aerobics teacher or set up a business.
We must unite against the radical Muslim men who love to control women.
My message to those Muslims who want to live in a Talibanised society, and turn their face against Britain, is this: 'If you don't like living here and don't want to integrate, then what the hell are you doing here? Why don't you just go and live in an Islamic country?'
 
Lets be realistic for a minute. In a place like Pakistan, banning Burqas is very unlikely. Even if you ban it, there'll be women wearing it and there's nothing you can do about that.

Pakistan is no France, and we should start accepting reality.

This is about India, and I could care less if they ban it in India. Indian Muslims chose to stay with Hindustan in 1947, now they should deal with their country's laws. Its none of our business.
 
yaaro no fight sarkoziii love bird hain..... unhone galat nahii kaha ,....... muslim girls butiful so ..... burqa ban hona chahiye kyunkii usse hum uss khoobsurat face ko easily dekh nahii paate
 
Bt the Way cover from head to toe can done in trouser and shirts with hood caps , and in jeans , or any other clothes, also ..If ask same for both women and Man then why women only wear burkha ?? why not Mans weree burkha ? Ans that?

BTW where in islam written women use burkha? nowhere, if you read your Own Kuran , no where it is written

Moreover If you think Equal Rights, then why Mans can divorce women by saying Talaq and why not Women granted same instance?

Ok first of All let me teach you about Islam a little since you have close to no knoledge of Islam. Islam is based on Quran and Hadit, Quran is the word of Allah SWT and Hadit are the explaination by Prophet Mohammad PBUH. Quran talks about the modest dressing which cover the body parts of Human being. Burqa is the form of Indian muslims or should is say the Muslim rullers of India of the back time. Dress code of muslims is this. Women Cover her body head should be coverd so hair are not visible her dress should be comfortable enough which wouldn't shows How big or a small type of breast she has or how big her bottom is etc, This needs to be practice in public and in the time of Prophet or the times of christen's prophets or jews same dress code was, For your kind information this is the main dress code of jews and christens as well since they are the people of book but they don't practice it but Muslims do and will till end. For men it is the Same beside covering their hair, Muslim dress for men is the same if you have ever noticed it, We call it "thup" big gown, Burka is the same big gown, Now the problem with ruthless regims in the world is that they are forcing muslims not to practice Islam even their dress code's. Personally it doesn't bother me because i have read the Hadit of Prophet Mohammad PBUH predicting that this will happen to Muslims before their final rise, This will make Muslims of the world so sick that they will become one voice, one hand one body. Which i believe is good by the no muslim regims to force Muslims to unite so we Rule the world one more time and the Funny part is that Hadits mention the place which will become the center of the world Power, the leader of Muslim world and armies of all muslim world will be Pakistan, Which is the Sultan of Muslims, No wonder we are on the Game plan of Allah, No wonder that out of all muslim countries Pakistan is the only Nuclear power in less then 43 years, world 6th largest army, hub of all muslims. Pakistan is the only country in Muslim world which has good relations with China and strategic partner of USA todays two main powers. Hadit also mention the rise of China and the friend of Pakistan:smitten: We Pakistani will crush all the oppression on muslims by others soon. :rofl::rofl::police:
"Divorce" Muslim women can also file divorce what are you talking about....
 
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Ok first of All let me teach you about Islam a little since you have close to no knoledge of Islam. Islam is based on Quran and Hadit, Quran is the word of Allah SWT and Hadit are the explaination by Prophet Mohammad PBUH. Quran talks about the modest dressing which cover the body parts of Human being. Burqa is the form of Indian muslims or should is say the Muslim rullers of India of the back time. Dress code of muslims is this. Women Cover her body head should be coverd so hair are not visible her dress should be comfortable enough which wouldn't shows How big or a small type of breast she has or how big her bottom is etc, This needs to be practice in public and in the time of Prophet or the times of christen's prophets or jews same dress code was, For your kind information this is the main dress code of jews and christens as well since they are the people of book but they don't practice it but Muslims do and will till end. For men it is the Same beside covering their hair, Muslim dress for men is the same if you have ever noticed it, We call it "thup" big gown, Burka is the same big gown, Now the problem with ruthless regims in the world is that they are forcing muslims not to practice Islam even their dress code's. Personally it doesn't bother me because i have read the Hadit of Prophet Mohammad PBUH predicting that this will happen to Muslims before their final rise, This will make Muslims of the world so sick that they will become one voice, one hand one body. Which i believe is good by the no muslim regims to force Muslims to unite so we Rule the world one more time and the Funny part is that Hadits mention the place which will become the center of the world Power, the leader of Muslim world and armies of all muslim world will be Pakistan, Which is the Sultan of Muslims, No wonder we are on the Game plan of Allah, No wonder that out of all muslim countries Pakistan is the only Nuclear power in less then 43 years, world 6th largest army, hub of all muslims. Pakistan is the only country in Muslim world which has good relations with China and strategic partner of USA todays two main powers. Hadit also mention the rise of China and the friend of Pakistan:smitten: We Pakistani will crush all the oppression on muslims by others soon. :rofl::rofl::police:
"Divorce" Muslim women can also file divorce what are you talking about....


It's funny that you start from explaining theological importance of burqa, and by conclusion muslims are going to rule the world once again. That is called amilessly ranting!!!

Thanks for the good read!!!!
 
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