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Pakistan Reports Halting Indian Attack on Sialkot; Pakistan Reports Repulsing Drive By Indian Forces Against Sialkot

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RAWALPINDI, Pakistan, Sept. 16 (Reuters) -- Pakistan troops and planes have beaten off a fierce two-pronged Indian assault in the last 24 hours against the Pakistan defense arc around the town of Sialkot, it was asserted here today.

Pakistan Reports Halting Indian Attack on Sialkot - Pakistan Reports Repulsing Drive By Indian Forces Against Sialkot - Front Page - NYTimes.com
 
Pakistani Troops Resume Drive in Indian Kashmir; PAKISTANI TROOPS RESUME ADVANCE

Special to The New York Times ();
September 05, 1965,
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NEW DELHI, Sept. 4 -- Pakistani troops, supported by tanks and air cover, drove 10 miles into the Indian sector of Kashmir today. Indian Government spokesmen confirmed that the advance had resumed last night and had progressed four more miles.


Pakistani Troops Resume Drive in Indian Kashmir - PAKISTANI TROOPS RESUME ADVANCE - Front Page - NYTimes.com
 
INDIA SAYS CLASH IN WEST PAKISTAN IS SHARPEST YET; New Delhi Army Reported by Foe to Have Switched to Wholly Defensive Stance BATTLE ON IN 2 SECTORS Fighting Around Sialkot and Lahore Held Inconclusive With Few Advances Indians Report Fighting in West Pakistan Sectors Is the Sharpest Yet

By J. ANTHONY LUKAS Special to The New York Times ();
September 12, 1965,
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NEW DELHI, Sept. 11 -- The biggest battle of the undeclared war between India and Pakistan was reported to be going on today along the West Pakistan border.

INDIA SAYS CLASH IN WEST PAKISTAN IS SHARPEST YET - New Delhi Army Reported by Foe to Have Switched to Wholly Defensive Stance BATTLE ON IN 2 SECTORS Fighting Around Sialkot and Lahore Held Inconclusive With Few Advances Indians Report Fighting in We
 
INDIA HINTS DRIVE IN EAST PAKISTAN; Warns Foe of 'Escalation' as Clashes and Bombings in Assam Are Reported India Hints at a New Drive in East Pakistan as Clashes Are Reported Near Area ACTION ON GROUND EASES IN LAHORE Defense Chief in New Delhi Reports to Parliament on Losses of Armor


By THOMAS F. BRADYSpecial to The New York Times ();
September 11, 1965,
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NEW DELHI, Sept. 10 -- The danger that the Indian-Pakistani conflict would spread to East Pakistan increased sharply tonight with Indian reports of new ground and air clashes in the states of Assam and West Bengal.

INDIA HINTS DRIVE IN EAST PAKISTAN - Warns Foe of 'Escalation' as Clashes and Bombings in Assam Are Reported India Hints at a New Drive in East Pakistan as Clashes Are Reported Near Area ACTION ON GROUND EASES IN LAHORE Defense Chief in New Delhi Rep

PAF in East Pakistan also conducted bombing campaign in Assam and West Bengal provinces of Hindustan.
 
Have you read "History of 1965 Indo Pak War-Lieutenant General Mahmud". I have been trying to get hold of this book but seems near impossible.
Dont know if its true but review says that The Army has bought all copies of a book written by a former intelligence chief fearing it may explode the myth victory in the 1965 war with India, a source has said” , thus reported Amir Mir for Gulf News on 01 October 2006.
Further it goes on to say :
Mahmuds book heavily supported by the army in terms of cartographic efforts all maps made by the 477 Army Survey Group may in brief be described as heavy in tactical detail,sparse in operational analyis and barren in strategic analysis.
Mahmuds book is not a solo effort .He thus states that it all started when the Pakistan Army decided to analyse 1965 war in 1976 (preface).Most of the interviews of direct participants Mahmud relied on were conducted in Command and Staff College Quetta in 1978 to 1985.
Its major plus point is that it debunks many myths about 1965 war.
Mahmuds book heavily supported by the army in terms of cartographic efforts all maps made by the 477 Army Survey Group may in brief be described as heavy in tactical detail,sparse in operational analyis and barren in strategic analysis.
Mahmuds book is not a solo effort .He thus states that it all started when the Pakistan Army decided to analyse 1965 war in 1976 (preface).
Its major plus point is that it debunks many myths about 1965 war.
Mahmud assesses Major General Akhtar Hussain Malik as an exceptional commander of his times (p.69).
He assesses the Operation Gibraltar , infiltration in Kashmir a success in the sense that it successfully created a strategic opportunity for success of Operational Grand Slam the Pakistani attack against Akhnur.
He faults Pakistani high command with not launching a concentrated attack in Khem Karan and instead dividing its strength by dual attacks like Grand Slam and Khem Karan.
Mahmud thinks that change of command in Grand Slam was a major faux pas and finds faults with Major General Yahya Khans conduct as a divisional commander (p.98). Whereas he ignores the fact that major failure of Grand Slam lay in the first two days when armour was divided into penny packets and artillery divided overextended as confessed by Pakistan Armys official military historian Major General Shaukat Riza in his book 1965 War.
One reason why Mahmuds book may not have been distributed after being printed a typical Musharraf style change of decisions when high or not high may have been his daming verdict on Pakistan Armys main attack in Khem Karan.Mahmud thus summed up Pakistan Armys main attack in Khem Karan as “ In 1965 the situation in the Ravi Beas Corridor presented an opportunity of classic envelopment which would have been realised by any great captain of war .The Pakistan Army ,alas,had none in authority” (Page 303).
On page 139 he states that Pakistani High Command regarded the international border with India as “inviolable”.This clears the myth that that it was ZAB alone who duped the naieve Pakistani generals into launching an offensive in Kashmir.
On page 530 Mahmud debunks the much circulated theory of Pakistan being at a disdvantage in 1965 , thus he states “ The critical question is whether the Pakistan Army had the resources in 1965 to undertake the gigantic double envelopment pre-emptive offensive ? The answer is yes” ........but then Mahmuds goes on to elaborate Pakistans military strategic failure at the highest level when he states “ Had the military objective been perceived correctly and had the necessary planning been done thoroughly for such an offensive operation”.
On page 532 he places the blame squarely on the higher level commanders when he states “ Pakistan Army’s conduct of operations in 1965 war was gravely marred by incorrect assessment of Indian strength,intentions and capabilities”.
He credits the ISI with more clearly assessing Indian intentions but states that ISI’s assessment was not considered credible by the military higher command.
On page 532 again he analyses this being the gist of his book titled “Epilogue” The price of our army’s ignorance of the operational art was exacted by the stalemate of 1965 and the ignonimous defeat in 1971”.This Mahmud ascribed to the fact that the Command and Staff College did not prepare commanders for command beyond brigade and divsional level.
On page 363 and 364 Mahmud confirms the greatest intelligence failure of the war when the capture of Indian despatch riders mail confirming presence of Indian 1st Armoured Division was not taken seriously by both 15 Division Headquarters and GHQ.
Major General Naseerullah Babar who I had interviewed in March 2001 had stated in the interview that the then DG Military Intelligence Brigadier Irshad had dismissed this as an Indian deception plan.
It appears that Mahmud did not bother to interview Major General NUK Babar while he interviewed many officers who were of same seniority as NUK Babar !
Mahmuds book is an expanded version of Shaukat Rizas book 1965.Both are heavy on facts and poor in analysis although Mahmud tried to be more blunt , although if we believe Hassan Abbas his yearning for a post retirement job in Fauji Fertiliser Corporation may have heavily compromised the cause of military history in Pakistan.
Many of the maps are not wholly accurate although prepared by a heavy brigade of serving officers from corps of engineers.
Most important however is the treatment meted out to Mahmuds book despite his mild criticism wrapped in harmless sentences ! We are not prepared to accept criticism even when done in a book supported and sponsored by the military.
How thin skinned we are to criticism even when based on facts made available to an insider ! If we in 2006 are not ready to analyse what happened in 1965 then God Help us in analysing more serious blunders committed after 1965 !
 
In observation and memory of Sept. 6 Defence Day I want to revive this thread full of riveting articles from the 1965 War. Just think back what it was like.


Regards, A1Kaid
 
Apologies for bumping this thread but wanted to give members a chance to read some of these interesting news reports from 65.
 
Air superiority directly translates to ground victory. So the side which captures more territory during the war, i would argue, had a more capable AF.

So, who captured more territory in the 65 war?
 
Have you read "History of 1965 Indo Pak War-Lieutenant General Mahmud". I have been trying to get hold of this book but seems near impossible.
Dont know if its true but review says that The Army has bought all copies of a book written by a former intelligence chief fearing it may explode the myth victory in the 1965 war with India, a source has said” , thus reported Amir Mir for Gulf News on 01 October 2006.
Further it goes on to say :
Mahmuds book heavily supported by the army in terms of cartographic efforts all maps made by the 477 Army Survey Group may in brief be described as heavy in tactical detail,sparse in operational analyis and barren in strategic analysis.
Mahmuds book is not a solo effort .He thus states that it all started when the Pakistan Army decided to analyse 1965 war in 1976 (preface).Most of the interviews of direct participants Mahmud relied on were conducted in Command and Staff College Quetta in 1978 to 1985.
Its major plus point is that it debunks many myths about 1965 war.
Mahmuds book heavily supported by the army in terms of cartographic efforts all maps made by the 477 Army Survey Group may in brief be described as heavy in tactical detail,sparse in operational analyis and barren in strategic analysis.
Mahmuds book is not a solo effort .He thus states that it all started when the Pakistan Army decided to analyse 1965 war in 1976 (preface).
Its major plus point is that it debunks many myths about 1965 war.
Mahmud assesses Major General Akhtar Hussain Malik as an exceptional commander of his times (p.69).
He assesses the Operation Gibraltar , infiltration in Kashmir a success in the sense that it successfully created a strategic opportunity for success of Operational Grand Slam the Pakistani attack against Akhnur.
He faults Pakistani high command with not launching a concentrated attack in Khem Karan and instead dividing its strength by dual attacks like Grand Slam and Khem Karan.
Mahmud thinks that change of command in Grand Slam was a major faux pas and finds faults with Major General Yahya Khans conduct as a divisional commander (p.98). Whereas he ignores the fact that major failure of Grand Slam lay in the first two days when armour was divided into penny packets and artillery divided overextended as confessed by Pakistan Armys official military historian Major General Shaukat Riza in his book 1965 War.
One reason why Mahmuds book may not have been distributed after being printed a typical Musharraf style change of decisions when high or not high may have been his daming verdict on Pakistan Armys main attack in Khem Karan.Mahmud thus summed up Pakistan Armys main attack in Khem Karan as “ In 1965 the situation in the Ravi Beas Corridor presented an opportunity of classic envelopment which would have been realised by any great captain of war .The Pakistan Army ,alas,had none in authority” (Page 303).
On page 139 he states that Pakistani High Command regarded the international border with India as “inviolable”.This clears the myth that that it was ZAB alone who duped the naieve Pakistani generals into launching an offensive in Kashmir.
On page 530 Mahmud debunks the much circulated theory of Pakistan being at a disdvantage in 1965 , thus he states “ The critical question is whether the Pakistan Army had the resources in 1965 to undertake the gigantic double envelopment pre-emptive offensive ? The answer is yes” ........but then Mahmuds goes on to elaborate Pakistans military strategic failure at the highest level when he states “ Had the military objective been perceived correctly and had the necessary planning been done thoroughly for such an offensive operation”.
On page 532 he places the blame squarely on the higher level commanders when he states “ Pakistan Army’s conduct of operations in 1965 war was gravely marred by incorrect assessment of Indian strength,intentions and capabilities”.
He credits the ISI with more clearly assessing Indian intentions but states that ISI’s assessment was not considered credible by the military higher command.
On page 532 again he analyses this being the gist of his book titled “Epilogue” The price of our army’s ignorance of the operational art was exacted by the stalemate of 1965 and the ignonimous defeat in 1971”.This Mahmud ascribed to the fact that the Command and Staff College did not prepare commanders for command beyond brigade and divsional level.
On page 363 and 364 Mahmud confirms the greatest intelligence failure of the war when the capture of Indian despatch riders mail confirming presence of Indian 1st Armoured Division was not taken seriously by both 15 Division Headquarters and GHQ.
Major General Naseerullah Babar who I had interviewed in March 2001 had stated in the interview that the then DG Military Intelligence Brigadier Irshad had dismissed this as an Indian deception plan.
It appears that Mahmud did not bother to interview Major General NUK Babar while he interviewed many officers who were of same seniority as NUK Babar !
Mahmuds book is an expanded version of Shaukat Rizas book 1965.Both are heavy on facts and poor in analysis although Mahmud tried to be more blunt , although if we believe Hassan Abbas his yearning for a post retirement job in Fauji Fertiliser Corporation may have heavily compromised the cause of military history in Pakistan.
Many of the maps are not wholly accurate although prepared by a heavy brigade of serving officers from corps of engineers.
Most important however is the treatment meted out to Mahmuds book despite his mild criticism wrapped in harmless sentences ! We are not prepared to accept criticism even when done in a book supported and sponsored by the military.
How thin skinned we are to criticism even when based on facts made available to an insider ! If we in 2006 are not ready to analyse what happened in 1965 then God Help us in analysing more serious blunders committed after 1965 !

Also read Maj. Agha Hussain Amin's writings on the 1965 war. It will help to bring some more perspective to the various operations that were conducted. And most importantly help to debunk some myths and tall stories that were created to cloak the actual facts. But creation of that mythology was ncessary of political reasons or siyasat.
 

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