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1965 WAR- The Inside Story by R.D. Pradhan

It is Territory that was returned after Tashkent. It means Territory held. :)

Let me quote references about the end result.

1. "The Indian army suffered 3,000 battlefield deaths, while Pakistan suffered 3,800. The Indian army was in possession of 710 miles² (1,800 km²) of Pakistani territory and the Pakistan army held 210 mile² (550 km²) of Indian territory. The territory occupied by India was mainly in the fertile Sialkot, Lahore and Kashmir sectors" - The Story of My Struggle By Tajammal Hussain Malik 1991, Jang Publishers, p. 78

2. "while Pakistani land gains were primarily south in deserts opposite to Sindh and in Chumb sector near Kashmir in north." - Khaki Shadows by General K.M. Arif, Oxford University Press, ISBN 0-19-579396-X, 2001

3. "The war was militarily inconclusive; each side held prisoners and some territory belonging to the other. Losses were relatively heavy—on the Pakistani side, twenty aircraft, 200 tanks, and 3,800 troops. Pakistan's army had been able to withstand Indian pressure, but a continuation of the fighting would only have led to further losses and ultimate defeat for Pakistan. Most Pakistanis, schooled in the belief of their own martial prowess, refused to accept the possibility of their country's military defeat by "Hindu India" and were, instead, quick to blame their failure to attain their military aims on what they considered to be the ineptitude of Ayub Khan and his government." - "Pakistan :: The Indo-Pakistani War of 1965". Library of Congress Country Studies, United States of America. April 1994. Retrieved 2 October 2010.

4. TIME magazine reported that India held 690 mi2 of Pakistan territory while Pakistan held 250 mi2 of Indian territory in Kashmir and Rajasthan. Additionally, Pakistan had lost almost half its armour temporarily. "Severely mauled by the larger Indian armed forces, Pakistan could continue the fight only by teaming up with Red China and turning its back on the U.N." - Silent Guns, Wary Combatants, October 1, 1965, TIME Magazine

5. "The invading Indian forces outfought their Pakistani counterparts and halted their attack on the outskirts of Lahore, Pakistan's second-largest city. By the time United Nations intervened on September 22, Pakistan had suffered a clear defeat." - Hagerty, Devin. South Asia in world politics. Rowman & Littlefield, 2005. ISBN 0-7425-2587-2.

6. "The superior Indian forces, however, won a decisive victory and the army could have even marched on into Pakistani territory had external pressure not forced both combatants to cease their war efforts." - Dijkink, Gertjan. National identity and geopolitical visions: maps of pride and pain. Routledge, 1996. ISBN 0-415-13934-1.

7. "In three weeks the second Indo-Pak War ended in what appeared to be a draw when the embargo placed by Washington on U.S. ammunition and replacements for both armies forced cessation of conflict before either side won a clear victory. India, however, was in a position to inflict grave damage to, if not capture, Pakistan's capital of the Punjab when the cease-fire was called, and controlled Kashmir's strategic Uri-Poonch bulge, much to Ayub's chagrin." - India by Stanley Wolpert. Published: University of California Press, 1990

8. "India won the war. It gained 1,840 km2 (710 sq mi) of Pakistani territory: 640 km2 (250 sq mi) in Azad Kashmir, Pakistan's portion of the state; 460 km2 (180 sq mi) of the Sailkot sector; 380 km2 (150 sq mi) far to the south of Sindh; and most critical, 360 km2 (140 sq mi) on the Lahore front. Pakistan took 540 km2 (210 sq mi) of Indian territory: 490 km2 (190 sq mi) in the Chhamb sector and 50 km2 (19 sq mi) around Khem Karan." - Praagh, David. The greater game: India's race with destiny and China. McGill-Queen's Press – MQUP, 2003. ISBN 0-7735-2639-0.

9. "Although both sides lost heavily in men and material, and neither gained a decisive military advantage, India had the better of the war. New Delhi achieved its basic goal of thwarting Pakistan's attempt to seize Kashmir by force. Pakistan gained nothing from a conflict which it had instigated." - "India and the United States estranged democracies", 1941–1991, ISBN 1-4289-8189-6, DIANE Publishing, Pg 238

10. "The defeat in the 1965 war led to the army's invincibility being challenged by an increasingly vocal opposition. This became a surge after his protege, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, deserted him and established the Pakistan People's Party." - Ali, Mahmud. (2003-12-24) South Asia | The rise of Pakistan's army. BBC News. Retrieved on 2011-04-14.

11. "India's strategic aims were modest – it aimed to deny Pakistani Army victory, although it ended up in possession of 720 square miles (1,900 km2) of Pakistani territory for the loss of just 220 square miles (570 km2) of its own." - Johnson, Robert. A region in turmoil: South Asian conflicts since 1947. Reaktion Books, 2005. ISBN 1-86189-257-8.

12. "A brief but furious 1965 war with India began with a covert Pakistani thrust across the Kashmiri cease-fire line and ended up with the city of Lahore threatened with encirclement by Indian Army. Another UN-sponsored cease-fire left borders unchanged, but Pakistan's vulnerability had again been exposed." - William M. Carpenter, David G. Wiencek. Asian security handbook: terrorism and the new security environment. M.E. Sharpe, 2005. ISBN 0-7656-1553-3.

13. "The 1965 Indo-Pak war lasted barely a month. Pakistan made gains in the Rajasthan desert but its main push against India's Jammu-Srinagar road link was repulsed and Indian tanks advanced to within a sight of Lahore. Both sides claimed victory but India had most to celebrate." - John Keay. India: A History. Grove Press, 2001. ISBN 0-275-97779-X.

14. "Again India appeared, logistically at least, to be in a superior position but neither side was able to mobilize enough strength to gain a decisive victory." - Uk Heo, Shale Asher Horowitz. Conflict in Asia: Korea, China-Taiwan, and India-Pakistan. Greenwood Publishing Group, 2003. ISBN 0-8021-3797-0.

Also of note are these -
1. Musharraf buys all copies of sensitive '65 war book - World - DNA
2. The Myth of 1965 Victory by Lieutenant General Mahmood Ahmed

You really shut the mouth of some fan boys here.
@SarthakGanguly post saved for future reference as well. :lol:
 
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Haq's Musings: Inside Story: Pakistan Army at the Gates of Delhi in 1965 War?
 
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Little correction | 'Territory gained' is NOT the same as 'Territory Held'.


If we go by the other definition than the German army had captured 30% of Russia all the way to Stalingrad.

It was the Germans who invade and Russians were defending and later pushing them back to home. Isn't something common here ???

I am sorry but I never get your or any other Pak members logic on 1965.
- Pakistan started war. Not india. Aggressor -Pakistan.
- PA tried a push through. Failed.
- IA stopped advance. Success
- IA counter thrust in your territory. Success.

And still you guies keep saying it was inconclusive ??? What more is needed for conclusion ??? Whatever you planned failed miserably and starting with offence you were pushed back on defence. Isn't it a enough to say you lost ???

I can understand patriotism but can't understand the denial. Even I have seen some claims of victory in 1965 ;)
 
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It was the Germans who invade and Russians were defending and later pushing them back to home. Isn't something common here ???

I am sorry but I never get your or any other Pak members logic on 1965.
- Pakistan started war. Not india. Aggressor -Pakistan.
- PA tried a push through. Failed.
- IA stopped advance. Success
- IA counter thrust in your territory. Success.

And still you guies keep saying it was inconclusive ??? What more is needed for conclusion ??? Whatever you planned failed miserably and starting with offence you were pushed back on defence. Isn't it a enough to say you lost ???

I can understand patriotism but can't understand the denial. Even I have seen some claims of victory in 1965 ;)

You've got it all backwards based on the revisionist history taught in India.

There's absolutely no doubt that Indian Army crossed the international border at three points and tried to take Lahore and failed.

Pradhan's book contains many different entries by Indian Defense Minister Y.B. Chavan. A Sept 9, 1965 entry reads:

Had a very hard day on all fronts. Very fierce counter-attacks mounted and we are required to withdraw in Kasur area. COAS was somewhat uncertain of himself. I suggested to him that he should go in forward areas so that he will be in touch of realities. He said he would go next day.

Haq's Musings: Inside Story: Pakistan Army at the Gates of Delhi in 1965 War?
 
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You've got it all backwards based on the revisionist history taught in India.

There's absolutely no doubt that Indian Army crossed the international border at three points and tried to take Lahore and failed.

Have you never heard of Operation Gibraltar. :cheesy:
 
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"Pakistan Army at the Gates of Delhi" :omghaha: :omghaha: :omghaha: - I fell off my chair. :D

I just noticed this !

The Question mark at the end of the title indicates to me that the author himself was unclear .

This is that time of the year ( Sept) when its ' feel good' time . Old stories of self perceived ' glory' are recounted again & again. Everyone has a right to be happy - I expect.
 
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Perhaps some secret tech - Teleportation/Warping anyone? :crazy:

The only guys who are officially or as per conspiracology known to possess teleportation and interstellar capabilities are Russia and the USA. For Russia,there are credible scientists who have cited such capability both psychic and technological teleportation.

If you want credible sources ,then Psychotronic Golgotha is the book for Russian capabilities which was written by russian scientist turned human rights activist.But if are interested in conspiracologist sources then Tom Bearden,Valery Uvarov,Peter Beter( general counsel for the Export-Import Bank of the United States) ,Akmetov etc.

Also a former director at Lockheed Martin of USA said USA has some vessels with interstellar capability from unknown sources. R
 
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You've got it all backwards based on the revisionist history taught in India.

There's absolutely no doubt that Indian Army crossed the international border at three points and tried to take Lahore and failed.

Pradhan's book contains many different entries by Indian Defense Minister Y.B. Chavan. A Sept 9, 1965 entry reads:

Had a very hard day on all fronts. Very fierce counter-attacks mounted and we are required to withdraw in Kasur area. COAS was somewhat uncertain of himself. I suggested to him that he should go in forward areas so that he will be in touch of realities. He said he would go next day.

Haq's Musings: Inside Story: Pakistan Army at the Gates of Delhi in 1965 War?

Hahahaha Mr. Wana be a writer cum specialist please try to understand what I write , if you can. then start your theories.

- you dont know anything about History taught in India so try not to comment on basis of what you learn in Pakistan. PS: all NCERT text books are avaible online. Download and feel free to learn. Then comment. And didnt we all know which country teach different history from the rest of the world :undecided:

- Yes offcourse. There were ups and downs. We never claim 100% victory. And my post was alot different on that front which you failed to comprehend.

- and even those facts didnt change a word in the questions asked to the said poster , did it ???

And if you cant or dont want to understand then better leave the question to the said poster to reply

To refresh your memory here is my post , try to read again
It was the Germans who invade and Russians were defending and later pushing them back to home. Isn't something common here ???

I am sorry but I never get your or any other Pak members logic on 1965.
- Pakistan started war. Not india. Aggressor -Pakistan.
- PA tried a push through. Failed.
- IA stopped advance. Success
- IA counter thrust in your territory. Success.

And still you guies keep saying it was inconclusive ??? What more is needed for conclusion ??? Whatever you planned failed miserably and starting with offence you were pushed back on defence. Isn't it a enough to say you lost ???

I can understand patriotism but can't understand the denial. Even I have seen some claims of victory in 1965
 
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#India Army ad admits its defeat at the hands of #Pakistan Army in 1965 war. Major Embarrassment: Army Advertisement Guns Down India's 1965 Victory Over Pakistan -The New Indian Express

A full-page advertisement published in major Hindi national dailies on Thursday came out with major blunders in its text. For instance, the text mentioned the role of the 15th Infantry division during an attack near west of Ichhogil canal, saying that Indian Army responded to the Pakistan attack with fear (darkar muqabala kiya). The English version of the advertisement, published in leading national dailies were no better. “Pakistan’s 1st Armoured division pushed an offensive towards Khem Karan and by 10 September nearly 100 tanks lay destroyed in what is now known as the Battle of Asal Uttar.” It takes away the credit of the Indian Army as there is no mention of the Indian Army’s role in the famous battle. Major Embarrassment: Army Advertisement Guns Down India's 1965 Victory Over Pakistan -The New Indian Express
 
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#India Army ad admits its defeat at the hands of #Pakistan Army in 1965 war. Major Embarrassment: Army Advertisement Guns Down India's 1965 Victory Over Pakistan -The New Indian Express

A full-page advertisement published in major Hindi national dailies on Thursday came out with major blunders in its text. For instance, the text mentioned the role of the 15th Infantry division during an attack near west of Ichhogil canal, saying that Indian Army responded to the Pakistan attack with fear (darkar muqabala kiya). The English version of the advertisement, published in leading national dailies were no better. “Pakistan’s 1st Armoured division pushed an offensive towards Khem Karan and by 10 September nearly 100 tanks lay destroyed in what is now known as the Battle of Asal Uttar.” It takes away the credit of the Indian Army as there is no mention of the Indian Army’s role in the famous battle. Major Embarrassment: Army Advertisement Guns Down India's 1965 Victory Over Pakistan -The New Indian Express

"Datkar" was misspelled as "Darkar" in a newspaper ad, and that becomes a "Proof of Indian defeat" for some Pakistanis! Talk about desperation! :lol:
 
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"Datkar" was misspelled as "Darkar" in a newspaper ad, and that becomes a "Proof of Indian defeat" for some Pakistanis! Talk about desperation! :lol:

It's called Freudian slip!! The Truth came out by mistake!!!!
 
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