Ziaur Rahman's body was burnt and dumped in Halda river - Shomoy News

[Maula Jatt]

This is, of course, timed propaganda to help the public accept the removal of Zia's shrine.

But to be honest, it was always wrong to have the grave of a party leader on Parliament premises.

At least in theory parliament should be independent - how can that be with one party leader cemented on site permanently.

I also don't agree with bridges etc being named after BB

This, but now if it's there removing a grave would be controversial

 

[EasyNow]

This, but now if it's there removing a grave would be controversial

There is a terrible habit in BD politics of trying to create permanent propaganda during govt terms.

Renaming things after leaders, mazars in parliament, statues in public places are all part of the same problem.

I wish they would let their achievements in power speak for them rather than cheap propaganda.

 

[VikingRaider]

Maybe he never died. Maybe he is in London running BNP?

Nah maybe he fled to Pakistan, as he worked for Pakistan in 1971!

But I'm wondering why our all knowing father ,who knew that 3 millions of people was murdered by Pakistan army and 25-30 millions of houses were burnt ( he knew it when he was in Pakistani prison!) didn't know that Ziaur Rahman is Razakar and appointed him in high position of military?

Perhaps that angel forgot to tell him? The same angel used to bring him the news of liberation war in Pakistani jail?

Well maybe the angel took bribe from Pakistan? Who knows, its possible in Bangladesh , even angels can be corrupted I see!

@Destranator

 

[PoondolotoPandalum]

This BNP vs BAL thing is much more personal, between two political dynasties, than ideological. They're both centre-right neoliberal free-market economy parties. Areas, where they differ, are foreign policy. Even domestic issues, both sides try to pander to as large a group of people as possible. Ultra-conservatives to Chetonah alike (of course, BAL being the most Chetonah out of the lot). BNP is perhaps more fiscally conservative (especially when it comes to debt), but it's hard to say. It's very easy to blame your opponents all the time when you're in the opposition. We can't say how much different they would've been if they were in power for the last 10 years.

Wasn't always like that. BAL was a more socialist planned economy when they started off. In fact, one of the reasons why many in the same generation of my parents really hated Mujib (despite loving him before liberation), was his attempt at running Bangladesh like his own family business, and sidelining (even disappearing) everyone else. His economic policies were really poor and people suffered. Amartya Sen (that well-known Jamati pro-Pakistani Islamist) said so himself. But they evolved over the years to suit the market-driven reality others have forged before them

I have oversimplified of course. But both parties had similar policies on the three fundamental factors that had a positive impact on BD development...

1) Free market-driven economy
2) Don't interfere with NGO's and their work (though that is slightly being eroded by current BAL)
3) Educated the women and let them work
4) Prioritise human development first, long-term investments over short-term economic gains
5) Bottom-up approach. Focus on the basics first, which plague South Asia. Food security, hunger, disaster managment (important for our context, due to regular cyclons), health, fertility & population control, and female empowerment, which is by no means an easy task in a South Asian context. Other countries have tried to run before even learning to walk, so they fall on their arses quite a lot or stagnate economically

I should mention some of these policies were successful because the Bangladeshi population, on the whole, adopted them without much opposition. You can't say the same about certain other countries in that region. Where it's much more politically expedient to pull off nonsense policies, like making Arabic mandatory, than it is to tackle their horrendous gender disparity on education, due to fear of backlash from certain groups

 

[F-6 enthusiast]

People like those and the one above are the reason Ottoman Empire failed.

Mughal were the same except for maybe Aurangzeb. Should have teamed up with another western power like Prussia or Germany and modernised their army industries etc. Japanese teamed with Europeans powers and modernised.

socialist planned economy when they started off.

Yeah i always wondered why its called the People's Republic of Bangladesh ? was BD meant to be communist and have a planned economy ?
Why didn't they bother changing the name after adopting the capitalist system ?

 

[Michael Corleone]

Mughal were the same except for maybe Aurangzeb. Should have teamed up with another western power like Prussia or Germany and modernised their army industries etc. Japanese teamed with Europeans powers and modernised

Mughals and ottomans failed because they were too busy fighting within themselves for power. Whereas European monarchy survived this far because they did a lot of political marriage and ended up becoming cousins

 

[PoondolotoPandalum]

Mughals and ottomans failed because they were too busy fighting within themselves for power. Whereas European monarchy survived this far because they did a lot of political marriage and ended up becoming cousins

Too many darbars, too busy banging hareems, not enough investment in education, letting Hindus do all the bookkeeping and state running affairs because our mighty inbreds saw it beneath them. Hundreds of years later, you have one bunch of people so much more educated than others. That's their no1 failure if you ask me. That legacy is quite evident when one compares to the education of South Asian Muslims, which though improving, isn't very pretty yet. Especially compared to what other Asians have achieved

Yet nowadays, if one opens the history book about all the best achievements of the Ottomans, one finds remnants of a mysterious sticky white fluid, leftover by certain people who perhaps enjoyed reading it far too much.

I would say Mughals, along with being a lot wealthier, were slightly more technologically advanced than the Ottomans. Ottomans often outsourced their shipbuilding to Bengal (Chittagong), because the Bengal was literally the world's shipyard from 1200-1750AD. Everything from small merchant vessels to man-o-war type flagship vessels. Also, metallurgy was more advanced in Asia than anywhere back then. Our steelmaking furnaces channeled strong monsoon winds to produce very intense flames. So our cannons, muskets, even the bearings used on everything from wagon wheels to a ship's steering rudder, were MUCH stronger, and longer lasting.

However, neither Mughal nor Ottomans can be regarded as the extension of the Islamic Golden age. They were very powerful and wealthy, but they did not use their wealth in a wise way. They produced very little intellectual work (almost 0), unlike the true Islamic golden age, whose intellectual contribution was enormous, and acknowledged by virtually everyone. Both Mughals and Ottomans were interested in astronomy. But neither of them understood astronomy with the same level of mathematical vigor as the true Islamic golden age, as they did in Bagdad, Cordoba, etc. Neither did they contribute new knowledge, or keep pace with the very latest in developments around the rest of the world.

This is why we witnessed such an asymmetrical development of technology between East and West, which had contributed to the unfortunate situation the Muslim world currently finds itself in.

It's also why Dubai, Qatar, KSA, despite being fairly rich, cannot brag about any world-class universities or research output (measured in impact, not just volume of papers published in low-quality journals). Their academic performance, relative to overall living standard and wealth, is quite appalling. Whereas Singapore, with their NTU and NSU, can. So can China with their Tsinghua, created at a time they were even worse of than India and Pakistan

 

[Michael Corleone]

Too many darbars, too busy banging hareems, not enough investment in education, letting Hindus do all the bookkeeping and state running affairs because our mighty inbreds saw it beneath them. Hundreds of years later, you have one bunch of people so much more educated than others. That's their no1 failure if you ask me. That legacy is quite evident when one compares to the education of South Asian Muslims, which though improving, isn't very pretty yet. Especially compared to what other Asians have achieved

Well we can’t blame them alone on why Muslims are lacking in education in general…. That’s to be blamed from the time of muhtazilites and those that suppressed them in Baghdad for the sake of religion

I would say Mughals, along with being a lot wealthier, were slightly more technologically advanced than the Ottomans. Ottomans often outsourced their shipbuilding to Bengal (Chittagong), because the Bengal was literally the world's shipyard from 1200-1750AD. Everything from small merchant vessels to man-o-war type flagship vessels. Also, metallurgy was more advanced in Asia than anywhere back then. Our steelmaking furnaces channeled strong monsoon winds to produce very intense flames. So our cannons, muskets, even the bearings used on everything from wagon wheels to a ship's steering rudder, were MUCH stronger, and longer lasting.

That might have been true in proto Industrial Age, but in the end ottomans we’re much more technologically advanced than Mughals, but both lost their empires for similar reasons. Civil war

However, neither Mughal nor Ottomans can be regarded as the extension of the Islamic Golden age. They were very powerful and wealthy, but they did not use their wealth in a wise way. They produced very little intellectual work (almost 0), unlike the true Islamic golden age, whose intellectual contribution was enormous, and acknowledged by virtually everyone. Both Mughals and Ottomans were interested in astronomy. But neither of them understood astronomy with the same level of mathematical vigor as the true Islamic golden age, as they did in Bagdad, Cordoba, etc. Neither did they contribute new knowledge, or keep pace with the very latest in developments around the rest of the world.

Well they both were gunpowder empires that focused on expansion like a lot of empires of that time. One of the reason they fell behind is because unlike them, other European empires sought to stabilize and unite in alliance and push for innovations. They relied on proven tech for way too long.

It's also why Dubai, Qatar, KSA, despite being fairly rich, cannot brag about any world-class universities or research output (measured in impact, not just volume of papers published in low-quality journals). Their academic performance, relative to overall living standard and wealth, is quite appalling. Whereas Singapore, with their NTU and NSU, can. So can China with their Tsinghua, created at a time they were even worse of than India and Pakistan

Can’t disagree with that

 

[salarsikander]

Nobody cares lol.

apparently you did, you can deny it but the crown of kiling ones on bangabandhu and his coas will always been on mutinous famous bgalis

 

[Avicenna]

apparently you did, you can deny it but the crown of kiling ones on bangabandhu and his coas will always been on mutinous famous bgalis

Hey man just stop.

It's clear you have a bias.

Have fun with that and just leave this thread.

 

[salarsikander]

Hey man just stop.

It's clear you have a bias.

Have fun with that and just leave this thread.

saying truth about what bengalis did to bangabanhu is biased, learn to listen to truth perhpas future generation will not be so mutinous then

 

[Avicenna]

saying truth about what bengalis did to bangabanhu is biased, learn to listen to truth perhpas future generation will not be so mutinous then

Less to do with mutiny and more to do with self respect and justice.

As for traitors to the nation, you can stay in West Pakistan and go over your recent leadership and you will have plenty to think about.

For all his flaws and mistakes, Bangabandhu did what needed to be done.

You are a perfect illustration of why that is.

I can only imagine West Pakistani leadership at that time.

 

[salarsikander]

Less to do with mutiny and more to do with self respect and justice.

As for traitors to the nation, you can stay in West Pakistan and go over your recent leadership and you will have plenty to think about.

For all his flaws and mistakes, Bangabandhu did what needed to be done.

You are a perfect illustration of why that is.

I can only imagine West Pakistani leadership at that time.

Bangabandu needed what had to be done and benaglis did to bangabandu what they had to do to poor soul out of mis placed benagli self respect of kiiling the father of nation, Lol typical

As for traitors to the nation, you can stay in West Pakistan and go over your recent leadership and you will have plenty to think about.

is that why you are not in Shonar bangl and citizen of US ?

 

[Avicenna]

Bangabandu needed what had to be done and benaglis did to bangabandu what they had to do to poor soul out of mis placed benagli self respect of kiiling the father of nation, Lol typical

is that why you are not in Shonar bangl and citizen of US ?

I am in the US because my parents came here in the late 70's and early 80's.

I'm glad they did.

We are the American dream literally.

 

[salarsikander]

I am in the US because my parents came here in the late 70's and early 80's.

I'm glad they did.

We are the American dream literally.

damn so no more shonaar bangla then ?
or is bangla no more shonaar, Poor bangabandhu did give his life for nothing