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Why do Pakistanis defend Arabs/Iranians?

Very soon the South Asian geographies will change, you will see 19 independence militant movements in action in India. India is fooling its' people by bells and whistles of Bollywood Bonanza. The fact, is still today hundreds of thousands of poor Indians sleep on walkways in Bombay and big cities, get married over footpaths, give births in a make shift shelter on the road, their children grow up in slums and they die on footpaths. This is the real face of the world's most talked about economy - India. It is easy to understand why Indians do not want Pakistan because Quaid-e-Azam, Mohammed Al Jinnah ( RA) under his world only and ever non-militant, political independence movement snatched away their chance to rule Pakistani Muslims to settle the scores of Muslims ruling them for 100 years in the sub-continent. Look at the historical evidence when Indra Gandhi stated on the day of Fall of Dakka- East Pakistan, " we have taken the revenge of Muslim's 100 rule over India." And should you forget or over look their anger for Muslims, just refresh your memories by looking in to historical events after the Mughal rule was over, Hindus dug the grave of Akbar the Great, the so called Muslim Emperor who introduced Deen-e-Elahi and mutilated his dead body and urinated on his grave and beat his body with shoes. Akbar was the one whose dearest wife was a Hindu, called Jodha Bai. No matter, how many Samjhoota Express will shoot between Pakistani and Indian bureaucracy and no matter How many Aman Ke Aasha initiatives will take place, the fact is we are at war with India because India clinches her teeth with hatred, jealousy and Muslim opposition against Pakistan and preparing conspiracies since Day 1.

Heights of Brain Fart . Please Give Proofs of above two statements or call yourself a shameless compulsive pathological liar
 
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Arabs are gods chosen people in the muslim religion. Thus it is natural to idolize them and try to copy them.
 
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All Indians with little exceptions whether politicians, bureaucrats, religious leaders, media, military, intellectuals and even artists have one point agenda, " Destroy Pakistan " or at least support who are active in destroying Pakistan. Pakistan is there to last for all times to come. Pakistan will rise as a Super Power - the pre-qualification has already been achieved, by becoming a Nuclear Power.

so you agree on the rest of the statements, your only objection is on two statements only for which you are asking the proof. Shame on your audacity. Why did you not disagree with all. Assume even if one is true, SHAME ON YOU. You and all Indian media is full of lies so you don't believe in truth. Go and see yourself the British Indian Library archives which will tell the truth but you will never go there because you do not want to see the ugly face of hindus and Hindu leaders.

So I have pressed the right button to pain your gut. Ask any body with wisdom in India, if you find one.
 
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^^^Beware false flagger.

On topic:

I never understood Pakistani bumlicking Iranians.

I haven't seen a pro-Arab Pakistani on here, in terms of politics. Culture and religion maybe, but even those are despised by most.

As for Turks, I support Greece over Turkey on the Cyprus issue.
 
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@ khudi I support turks over greeks anytime on anything period.......as for "arab nation" ---- there is no such thing - if you look atr history of "arab" nationalisom , it is the product of 19th century imperial propaganda when the desired to break up the osmanlis.....the muslim concept of nationhood is on the basis of religion, not other criteria thought up by human beings ---
@Wright, arabs are not gods chosen people in islam --the very idea of a chosen poeple is anathema to islam ---- individuals have precedence only on basis of piety and good deeds and will get what they work for, individually and as a community --witness pakistan --they worship robber barons in "assemblies" and then get what they asked for.......
 
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@ khudi I support turks over greeks anytime on anything period.......as for "arab nation" ---- there is no such thing - if you look atr history of "arab" nationalisom , it is the product of 19th century imperial propaganda when the desired to break up the osmanlis.....the muslim concept of nationhood is on the basis of religion, not other criteria thought up by human beings ---
@Wright, arabs are not gods chosen people in islam --the very idea of a chosen poeple is anathema to islam ---- individuals have precedence only on basis of piety and good deeds and will get what they work for, individually and as a community --witness pakistan --they worship robber barons in "assemblies" and then get what they asked for.......


Well whether you support the Turks over Greeks or not; the greeks definately have more feelings for Pakistan; more then the our so called Muslim brother the Turks or Arabs.

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Why do we supports them ? Because we feel they are our brothers. They may not like us, may be slow in helping us or even hate us but still we feel that All Muslims are our brothers (& Sisters).

Pakistan is created on the name of Islam and we have to abide by what Allah has told us.

The definition of Brotherhood varies between dictionaries, ranging from blood relationships to associations based on common interests and activities such as unions and professional associations.

Islam redefined brotherhood in a new and profound manner by changing the relationship from one based on personal interest or mutual activity to a permanent bond based on belief and acceptance of Islam.

Allah سبحانه وتعالى revealed:

إِنَّمَا الْمُؤْمِنُونَ إِخْوَةٌ فَأَصْلِحُوا بَيْنَ أَخَوَيْكُمْ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُرْحَمُونَ

"The believers are nothing else than brothers. So make reconciliation between your brothers, and fear Allah, that you may receive mercy." [Al-Hujjurat, 49:10]

The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم also said about brotherhood: "None of you truly believes until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself." [Bukhari & Muslim]

Upon completion of the Hijrah and building the masjid in Madinah, the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم proceeded to establish one of the main pillars of an Islamic community - brotherhood. He paired up the Muhajireen and Ansar, who were virtual strangers to each other prior to this. The two groups understood and accepted the responsibilities that came with this pairing, leading to unique acts, such as sharing wealth and other brotherly deeds, which helped ease the difficulties facing the Muhajireen who left everything behind in Makkah.

This action had brought about a profound transformation in perception of what brotherhood means between members of the Muslim community. It redefined the concept of brotherhood beyond the typical understanding of blood or tribal relationships. This was clearly demonstrated by Mus'ab Ibn Umayr when he found his blood brother Abu ‘Azeez - who was among those captured during the battle of Badr. Upon reaching Madinah, Abu 'Azeez was lodged with Abu Yusr Alansari, and Mus'ab ibn 'Umayr said to Abu Yusr: "Treat him harshly, for his mother is a wealthy woman." Abu 'Azeez said: "Brother is it for you to give this counsel?" "You are not my brother," replied Mu'sab, "my brother is the one who is tying up your hands." [Ibn Hisham]

The brotherhood established after Hijrah came with explicit and implicit responsibilities between Muslims, as individuals and as members of the Islamic State. It was the responsibility of the strong to help the weak, of the rich to help the poor, and of the knowledgeable to help those seeking knowledge. Furthermore, it was a responsibility of brotherhood to enjoin the good and forbid the evil.

We should always keep these actions of the Sahabah at the forefront of our minds, since they are the practical interpretation of brotherhood as defined by Islam.

Brotherhood is an obligation, not a choice

The evidences (Adilla) regarding the obligation of brotherhood in the Qur'an, the Sunnah and the life of the Sahabah are strikingly clear. We must be extremely vigilant in correctly upholding this concept to prevent transforming the relationship into a shallow bond, lacking the true essence of Islamic brotherhood.

Sadly, one of the issues facing Muslims in the West is "life in the fast lane," and due to this lifestyle, we tend to rush our dealings with one another. We should, for example, try to take a few minutes after Jum'ah prayers and greet our brothers next to us with Salaam, and introduce ourselves to them. We should neither be shy nor be afraid of a cold response, keeping in mind that we are only seeking the pleasure of Allah سبحانه وتعالى and following the Sunnah of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم.

The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said: "You will not enter paradise until you believe, and you will not believe until you love one another. Shall I not guide you to something which if you carry out you will love one another? Spread salaam amongst yourselves." [Muslim]

It is necessary to let our brothers know that we care for their well-being, that we sincerely love them as we do our own blood brothers, and that we are ready to help them in any way we are able to.

It has been narrated by Al-Bukhari in Al-Adaabul-Mufrad that the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said: "If one of you loves his brother for Allah's sake, then let him know, since it causes familiarity to endure and firmly establishes love."

Muslims have the responsibility to give sincere advice to their fellow brothers and sisters to abstain from haram and stay on the course of halal in every aspect of life, following the basic rule of verifying every action with Hukum Shar'iee - whether in our ibadah (worship) or muamulat (social transactions).

The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said: "Each of you is the mirror of his brother, so if he sees a fault in him he should wipe it away from him." [Tirmidhi]

Brotherhood in Islam imposes a great responsibility on us to protect our brothers and sisters from harm, even from their own selves. We should ensure that we do not allow ourselves or others around us to engage in activities that could affect the unity of the Muslim Ummah. One such activity is backbiting; we must refrain from initiating or participating in it. Allah سبحانه وتعالى revealed:

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا اجْتَنِبُوا كَثِيراً مِّنَ الظَّنِّ إِنَّ بَعْضَ الظَّنِّ إِثْمٌ وَلَا تَجَسَّسُوا وَلَا يَغْتَب بَّعْضُكُم بَعْضًا أَيُحِبُّ أَحَدُكُمْ أَن يَأْكُلَ لَحْمَ أَخِيهِ مَيْتًا فَكَرِهْتُمُوهُ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ تَوَّابٌ رَّحِيمٌ

"O you who believe! Avoid much suspicion, indeed some suspicions are sins. And spy not, neither backbite one another. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? You would hate it. And fear Allah. Verily, Allah is the One Who forgives and accepts repentance, Most Merciful." [Al-Hujjurat, 49:12]

Envy and jealousy are also forbidden, which are the common causes of problems amongst brothers and sisters.

The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said: "Do not have malice against a Muslim; do not be envious of other Muslims; do not go against a Muslim and forsake him. O the slave of Allah! Be like brothers with each other. It is not allowed for a Muslim to desert his brother for over three days." [Muslim & Tirmidhi]

We should also be aware that a brother or sister in Islam has five rights over us, as the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said: "Every Muslim has five rights over another Muslim: to return the greetings, to visit the sick, to accompany funeral processions, to accept an invitation, and to respond to the one that sneezes." [Bukhari & Muslim]

It is clear from the above examples that, in Islam, brotherhood is not merely a word we mention to each other when we meet casually or when we engage in business transactions. Rather, it is an obligation, and a deep sense of responsibility and caring for the well-being of our brothers and sisters, not only in our local communities but around the world as well.

Muslims are like one body

One of the most fatal ideas to the concept of brotherhood that has been promoted is the concept of "Ummah fragmentation." This concept suggests that issues of Muslims in one country should not be of concern to Muslims in other countries. The fragmentation of the Ummah is like a fatal virus that, when adopted intentionally or unintentionally by the Muslims, leads to a clear violation to the aforementioned evidences in the Qur'an and Sunnah, and consequently causes a complete decay in the obligation of brotherhood.

The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم described the Ummah as one body; if one member becomes sick then the other members of this one body will take care of the sick one:

"The Believers, in their mutual love, mercy and compassion, are like one body: if one organ complained, the rest of the body develops a fever." [Bukhari & Muslim]

The media outlets and internet have no shortage of news revealing the turmoil that Muslims are living in around the world: from occupation of Muslim lands to the dire poverty of our brothers and sisters. This is where a sense of brotherhood becomes the vital connection between Muslims around the globe. It is our obligation to be politically and intellectually aware of all affairs impacting Muslims everywhere. Allah سبحانه وتعالى has described the believer as a brother to another believer, and therefore it should pain us - just as it would if it were our own blood brother - when we read about the plight of our fellow Muslims.

Sustaining the sense of brotherhood

The enormity of events facing Muslims, coupled with the visible impotence and corruption of the ruling regimes in Muslim lands, are creating frustration and an artificial sense of helplessness among Muslims. This sense of frustration and helplessness is also further fuelled by the daily pressures of life facing Muslims. All these factors lead to a gradual decline in reacting to the turmoil facing Muslims outside of their immediate circle of friends and blood relatives - causing a fatal departure from the very foundations and ties of the Ummah.

Muslims should always gravitate toward the concept of brotherhood and the obligation of helping and sympathizing with our brothers and sisters in Islam regardless of where they are or what their condition is.

Although helping our brothers and sisters may not be physically possible in all circumstances, it is imperative to always care and be concerned for their affairs, regardless of geography or language, and do whatever is possible within the circumstances. It is imperative to care, or even train ourselves to care for Muslims in nearby or remote parts of the world by reminding ourselves that our bond with all Muslims is that of brothers and sisters.

Preserving our Muslim identity is both an obligation and a challenge at the same time. It is paramount for Muslims anywhere and at anytime to remain aware of the concept of brotherhood as a most critical tool in striving to keep our distinct identity, especially in the West. Therefore, it is an obligation to follow the lead of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم and his Companions in this manner and do whatever is necessary to maintain it.

May Allah سبحانه وتعالى bless us with the same brotherhood the Sahabah had under the shade of Khilafah Rashidah. Ameen.

وَاعْتَصِمُواْ بِحَبْلِ اللّهِ جَمِيعًا وَلاَ تَفَرَّقُواْ وَاذْكُرُواْ نِعْمَتَ اللّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ إِذْ كُنتُمْ أَعْدَاء فَأَلَّفَ بَيْنَ قُلُوبِكُمْ فَأَصْبَحْتُم بِنِعْمَتِهِ إِخْوَانًا وَكُنتُمْ عَلَىَ شَفَا حُفْرَةٍ مِّنَ النَّارِ فَأَنقَذَكُم مِّنْهَا كَذَلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللّهُ لَكُمْ آيَاتِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَهْتَدُونَ

"And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allah and be not divided among yourselves, and remember Allah's Favour on you, for you were enemies one to another but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His Grace, you became brethren, and you were on the brink of a pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus Allah makes His Ayat clear to you, that you may be guided." [Al-Imran, 3:103]

Great message one of the best post's I've read in a long time.
 
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Your land?

That is quite a revelation, there are 4 times more punjabi muslims than sikhs plus western punjab was always inhabited by muslims. You people were never in majority of punjab, the Punjabi literary tradition is popularly seen to commence with Fariduddin Ganjshakar (Baba Farid) (1173–1266), many ancient Sufi mystics.

The most famous Punjabi Sufi poet was Baba Bulleh Shah (1680–1757). There are more muslim punjabi poets than combined hindu/sikhs who contributed to the development of punjabi. Shah Hussain (1538–1599), Sultan Bahu (1629–1691), and Shah Sharaf (1640–1724) and the legendary Punjabi poet Waris Shah.

Punjab has always been a muslim land. Even before the liberatiopn of pakistan majority of bharti punab cities had more muslim in its cities than sikhs/hindus. Some of Those muslim populated punjabi cities that went to bharat were Jullunder, gurdaspur, ferozepur, Ludhiana at the time of Partition was a Muslim majority city. Even the sikh holy city of amritsar had around 50% muslims.

So what ? There were many sikhs and hindus in actual west punjab, in minority
There were 55% hindus+sikhs in lahore , so the majority
East punjab near ludhiana to delhi was hindu and sikh

Before the muslim invasions, punjab was entirely hindu with a buddhist minority

" Al-hind " or hindustan was actual pakistan, india, nepal bangladesh .
So budhism is from historical hindustan
 
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Proof? I'm pretty sure Pakistan has the second highest number of Shia's in the world

And as for the rest of your posts, thanks for the laugh!

You are laughing but pakistan can't make an economical competion with India.
Pakistan is economically poor
India will be the third economical country in 2025

Pakistanis claiming the heritage of afghans and hindustani , make me :lol:
 
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Very soon the South Asian geographies will change, you will see 19 independence militant movements in action in India. India is fooling its' people by bells and whistles of Bollywood Bonanza. The fact, is still today hundreds of thousands of poor Indians sleep on walkways in Bombay and big cities, get married over footpaths, give births in a make shift shelter on the road, their children grow up in slums and they die on footpaths. This is the real face of the world's most talked about economy - India. It is easy to understand why Indians do not want Pakistan because Quaid-e-Azam, Mohammed Al Jinnah ( RA) under his world only and ever non-militant, political independence movement snatched away their chance to rule Pakistani Muslims to settle the scores of Muslims ruling them for centuries in the sub-continent. Look at the historical evidence when Indra Gandhi stated on the day of Fall of Dakka- East Pakistan, " we have taken the revenge of Muslim's 1000 year rule over India." And should you forget or over look their anger for Muslims, just refresh your memories by looking in to historical events after the Mughal rule was over, Hindus dug the grave of Akbar the Great, the so called Muslim Emperor who introduced Deen-e-Elahi and mutilated his dead body and urinated on his grave and beat his body with shoes. Akbar was the one whose dearest wife was a Hindu, called Jodha Bai. No matter, how many Samjhoota Express will shoot between Pakistani and Indian bureaucracy and no matter How many Aman Ke Aasha initiatives will take place, the fact is we are at war with India because India clinches her teeth with hatred, jealousy and Muslim opposition against Pakistan and preparing conspiracies since Day 1.


Those people who are living under US charity need not bother about us.

Comedy of the year 2011. Any drone that enters into Pakistan airspace will be shot down.
Comedy of the year 2012. above paragraph which i have quoted.
 
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Pakistan is made up of 190 million people. As can be seen from this forum some are pro Iran, some are pro Saudi, some are anti Iran and Saudi. You cant just bunch together such a huge population into one category. Thats called stereotyping. As far as Muslim countries are concerned, 96% Pakistanis being Muslims will have a soft spot for other Muslim nations. Because the roots of our countries foundation lay in Islam this pro Muslim country stance becomes even more reinforced. However I have known enough Pakistanis in my day who dont think very highly of Arabs or Iranians to put it nicely. So really it just depends which Pakistani you meet.
 
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@ khudi I support turks over greeks anytime on anything period.......as for "arab nation" ---- there is no such thing - if you look atr history of "arab" nationalisom , it is the product of 19th century imperial propaganda when the desired to break up the osmanlis.....the muslim concept of nationhood is on the basis of religion, not other criteria thought up by human beings ---
@Wright, arabs are not gods chosen people in islam --the very idea of a chosen poeple is anathema to islam ---- individuals have precedence only on basis of piety and good deeds and will get what they work for, individually and as a community --witness pakistan --they worship robber barons in "assemblies" and then get what they asked for.......

Chosen in the sense that they were deemed worthy of being given the message by god. Not anyone else.
 
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Neither have given support to you Pakistanis. They were very slow in giving aid during the devastating floods. And the worst of all they support your sworn enemy India (although they don't respect the people). What gives??

iranians, arabs, turks, basically entire middle east is deeply rooted nationalist, racist, nation hood, but pakistanis support them with muslim brotherhood thing

but there is no existance of muslim brotherhood and pakistanis must realise this

iranians and arabs dont even care about pakistan but some pakistani members here behave more middle eastern than pakistani which is surprising
 
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