Syrian forces fire at 2nd Turkish plane - Turkey

[Ottoman-Turk]

brother , the people who talk bad like raptor is false flag not pakistani and even bangladesh

 

[Hyperion]

Are you really Turkish? I have my doubts about you.

What kind of crap plane is a F-4 then that cant warn for incoming missile so the pilots could eject their seats or dropping some flares?

 

[Hyperion]

First of all your composition sucks. You're short on words. Don't know the proper use of adjectives...

THEREFORE: Your choices of nationality are A)PKK B)IRA C)ARAB
Choose one of the above (only). Just to let you know it's a MCQ.

Now in your limited vocabulary:

Go back into your hole in N. Iraq. Look up. Hear the thunder. It's Turkish F-16's coming to send you and your goat to hell. By the way don't forget to lift your PKK shalwar.

see? you cant even read

Look at my reply to him

are you english jack , james , micheal? after this answer i will say alot

Herkese iyi-geceler!

 

[helia]

Thank you for confirming what I thought of you

 

[Ottoman-Turk]

Iyi geceler gardas

 

[krash]

Dont forget Uygur Turks in China! Muslims are killed and Iran, Pakistan and Bangladesh sitting in their lacy ***. But when its come to talk! They are number 1 like her.

Bosnia, ChenChenya, Thailand and other countries in Africa. They have to be pro russian for ther own interest. Oww when its come to interest than it doesnt matter.

Do not talk rubbish about Pakistan when you know zilch about it. My people fought and died for the Bosnians, the Egyptians, the Syrians, the Jordanians, the Iraqis, the Saudis. They are fighting in Africa, they stand by the Azeris (ask them), they stood by every wearer of the tag "Muslim" since before our existence. They have stood by you. They have served and are still serving in your military. They did it not for their interests but for yours. Thought you would know better.

Do not preach us of interests and morals. My people have bled for the past 60 years. Who from amongst you have come to our aid? How many of you have bled for us? Who is there amongst you talking about Kashmir!?! We reject Israel as a legitimate country and we are told to stay out of Arab business!?! Is that what we get? My people go blindly following and loving you like morons against their own interests, against their own benefit and this is what they get? You'd be hard pressed to find a single Pakistani who does not feel affection towards Turkey or any other Muslim country for that matter. Sadly, as has always been the case, the feelings are not mutual. And I expected better from you Turks.

Call them what you may but apathetic towards anything Muslim is one thing these overly zealous and emotional Pakistanis have never been.

*off topic but couldn't help it. Mods delete if feel the need to*

 

[Secur]

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The Turks and the Arabs have been in hibernation on Israel since decades after they joined Washington camp .. I do not see them raising voice for the Palestinians being killed daily ... I didn't see NATO even issuing a single statement when Turkiye nationals aboard Mavi Marmara were brutally killed in International waters ! ... However they seem very eager to fight the upcoming American war against Syria and then Iran ... Ankara has learned nothing from post revolution Libya , it seems ....

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Assad is no angel either.....you cant kill your own people and bombard your own cities and use snipers to attack medics and makeshift clinics.

that constitutes war crimes....and even the Free Syrian Army factions dont have their hands clean.

I would advise Turkiye to also tread carefully. They dont want an Afghanistan type situation in the Levent.



Syrian problem requires Syrian solution. The country seems to be extremely polarized and it can be the recipe for what Lebanon saw in 1970s. In fact, the fallout could affect Lebanon and other regional countries as well.

its a lose-lose situation for everyone then

Iyi geceler gardas

Anggggggara'da misin

 

[Secur]

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Whatever Assad is doing , good or bad doesn't change the fact that the Govt of Syria still exercises complete sovereignty within its jurisdictions ... Hence , no justification for intruding the Syrian Airspace ...

 

[krash]

However they seem very eager to fight the upcoming American war against Syria and then Iran ... Ankara has learned nothing from post revolution Libya , it seems ....

Things are hardly ever that simple. Case in point; the Pakistani involvement in the US-Afghan war. There are Turkish interests and concerns too remember?

As I understand the Turks and the Syrians have not been able to see eye to eye for quite some while. Now honestly I do not know what the ground reality is in Syria. The western media feeds you one thing and the Syrian regime tells another. But I do get it. The Pakistanis, with good reason, don't trust the American agendas. And since the Turkish stance plays directly into the American agenda it makes us feel disturbed. But on the other hand there's Turkey, our tested ally and friend. So I at least will refrain from taking sides and would hope for the Syrians to solve this themselves. If the public is indeed against Assad then come rain, snow or sleet Assad will be defeated and the Syria after that will follow a Syrian agenda, not the Western nor the Russian.

But on the case of the F-4 being shot down I believe the Syrians could have exercised a bit more sense and restraint. Im not talking about what right the Syrians did or did not have but of what they should have done. Remember the IAF intrusion in the Lahore sector when the tensions were at their peak. The PAF cordially intercepted and escorted the intruder out showing sense and restraint and saving quite a lot of head aches. The situation for Syria right now is a lot more dire and it cannot afford poking holes everywhere.

 

[VelocuR]

Most importantly, Turkey forgot that US/NATO continue attacking nuclear-armed Pakistan and 180 million population, they didn't raise their voice either. Expect us to respect Turkey against China's backyard or Syria war, you fool ??

This make me sick to see our 'brother' Turkey favor US & NATO achievements after Libya. And they are not definitely role model for Muslim world.

Syria's Assad must step down without forces, that's it.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Turkiye has no combat role in Afghanistan.....quite frankly, NATO itself wont last for too long either T.C. should form its own alliances

 

[RazPaK]

Dont forget Uygur Turks in China! Muslims are killed and Iran, Pakistan and Bangladesh sitting in their lacy ***. But when its come to talk! They are number 1 like her.

Bosnia, ChenChenya, Thailand and other countries in Africa. They have to be pro russian for ther own interest. Oww when its come to interest than it doesnt matter.

Brother I understand your message, but do not insult Pakistan. We did more than you in Bosnia, and they are your ottoman people and our Muslim brothers, so just keep it cool.

 

[Secur]

Things are hardly ever that simple. Case in point; the Pakistani involvement in the US-Afghan war. There are Turkish interests and concerns too remember?

As I understand the Turks and the Syrians have not been able to see eye to eye for quite some while. Now honestly I do not know what the ground reality is in Syria. The western media feeds you one thing and the Syrian regime tells another. But I do get it. The Pakistanis, with good reason, don't trust the American agendas. And since the Turkish stance plays directly into the American agenda it makes us feel disturbed. But on the other hand there's Turkey, our tested ally and friend. So I at least will refrain from taking sides and would hope for the Syrians to solve this themselves. If the public is indeed against Assad then come rain, snow or sleet Assad will be defeated and the Syria after that will follow a Syrian agenda, not the Western nor the Russian.

But on the case of the F-4 being shot down I believe the Syrians could have exercised a bit more sense and restraint. Im not talking about what right the Syrians did or did not have but of what they should have done. Remember the IAF intrusion in the Lahore sector when the tensions were at their peak. The PAF cordially intercepted and escorted the intruder out showing sense and restraint and saving quite a lot of head aches. The situation for Syria right now is a lot more dire and it cannot afford poking holes everywhere.

I agree , things are never that simple in International arena ... US-Afghan war is something we aren't proud of !

Relations have deteriorated between Turkey and Syria since the crackdown on protestants by Assad regime ... I wish ill for neither countries ... Ankara is our friend and long term strategic partner , Syria isn't close but being a Muslim country , we care about it too ! Do we want another Muslim country to go down the drain , descend into anarchy , instability and civil war just like Libya ? ... I , for good reason do not believe anything which the western media tells me ... Just look at the news coming out of Libya before the foreign intervention ! The same dictatorship , democracy , freedom and people being massacred bull **** ... The end result ? Libya is worse than ever before ... You will get a good idea of propaganda machine used by West to justify wars ... Assad isn't a popular ruler but still more than 50% of Syrians support it as shown in polls ... What right does someone have to initiate regime change by arming rebels and flaring tensions ? ... US and NATO want to intervene again in Syria and later Iran , the same excuse is being used again , you see ... But wont it be good , if some Muslim country can finish their dirty work ? Sad to see , that Turkey and GCC puppets are playing directly into the hands of Americans trying to provoke wars with Muslim countries ... One good reason , why I am not supporting Turkey in this particular matter ... Why this sudden selective empathy for Syrians ? Whilst Palestinians are being killed daily and Turks do not raise any voice ! The same goes for people in Bahrain ...

Yes , The Syrians clearly overreacted ... The F-4 should have been contacted over radio and asked to leave the airspace ...
However given the situation they are in , such things aren't surprising ... The low level commander operating the AA/SAM could by no way know the intentions of the intruder ... Whether it was a mistake or a deliberate intrusion to test air defenses or spy upon ...

 

[krash]

Most importantly, Turkey forgot that US/NATO continue attacking nuclear-armed Pakistan and 180 million population, they didn't raise their voice either. Expect us to respect Turkey against China's backyard or Syria war, you fool ??

This make me sick to see our 'brother' Turkey favor US & NATO achievements after Libya. And they are not definitely role model for Muslim world.

Syria's Assad must step down without forces, that's it.

Well honestly expecting something from Turkey where our own hands are tied is asking for a bit too much. They have shown support time and time again though not overtly but that is ok. Every action is to be gauged on sensibility. Also if we are to support China why can they not support their western allies? And lets not go into who's a role model for the Muslim world and who is not. Not only is that argument meaningless it's also their own business....lets not forget the shape we are in our selves. Also we must not forget that the Turks have actually been true to us, more so than many others.

As Abu Zolfiqar has said, Syria requires a Syrian solution, not just for the sake of Syria but for Turkey as well.