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[Question] Why do we Chinese dislike Dalai Lama?

India flooded Sikkim with Hindu Nepali migrants who then outnumbered the native Buddhist Bhutiya and all the Hindus voted to join India. India then invaded Sikkim with a military force to oust the King.

The natives of Sikkim were not Bhutiyas, by the way.

If Sikkim was independent prior to this date, who allowed the migrants in?

Nepalese migrants have been present throughout the eastern Himalayas since the early years of the nineteenth century. Economics drove this, not politics.

LOL typical so called democracy. First flood the place with sympathizers, then let's vote! Remind me of all those colonies and even Hawaii. For some reason, voting justifies everything. I guess we must learn from it.

Perhaps you will, perhaps you won't.

As Mao said about the French Revolution, it's too early to tell.

Antisemitic much?

Pompous prig who learns his English from an eighteenth century dictionary.
 
meaningless for Dalai Lama now, Dalai Lama is one of 1700 Reincarnation systems in Tibet Buddhism, two biggest Lama teincarnation systems: Dalai Lama system(14th) and Panchen Lama system(11th), every teincarnation system has a Living Buddha, 3000 temples in Tibet and 1700 living Buddha, Dalai Lama is one of them; but Dalai(5th, in 1653, the 5th Dalai went to Beijing was canonized by Sunzi emperor as "西天大善自在佛所领天下释教普通赤喇坦达赖喇嘛"--"*****Dalai Lama" ) and Panchen(5th Panchen Lama went to Beijing in 1713 and was canonized by Kangxi emperor as "班禅额尔德尼"--"Panchen Erdeni") were canonized by emperor of Qing dynasty, so the two became the biggest reincarnation system in Tibet.

As tradition, after 14th Dalai Lama dead, and at a Complex procedures, will find a reincarnated soul boy in Tibet as 15th Dalai Lama.

Fairly inaccurate.

Interesting in that it gives us an insight into Chinese conventional wisdom.

Both the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama were creations of the Mongolians, especially of the Mongolians during the Dzungarian period. A little more attention to history might help.
 
The fact is that in a very real sense, China controlled the external affairs and had huge influence over the internal affairs of Tibet as well, through its two Ambans, or political representatives. These Ambans were hated, and so were the Chinese soldiers deputed to guard the Ambans, but they were hated by the nine classes of Tibetan society that were privileged, not by the serfs. Britain tried fitfully to intervene in Tibet, and it was never a very sustained effort. The first major political push was by the Younghusband Expedition in 1905, and there was thereafter, in 1911, at Shimla, an effort to demarcate the Indo-Tibetan boundaries.

This Shimla meeting was an absolute disaster. The British plenipotentiary, MacMahon, did a fair job in the west, in the Ladakh sector, but did a terrible job in the east, in what was subsequently called NEFA, the North East Frontier Agency, which the British wished were rather like the unsettled border area between Pakistan and Afghanistan. It was no such thing; in fact, it was very well settled, and not in a way that China could claim. Chinese access to NEFA was through the Tawang Monastery, which was a subsidiary of the Drepung Monastery in Tibet proper, and in their part of the NEFA, the Monpa part, the emissaries of the Monastery collected revenue almost down to the Assam plains.

It must be understood that the topography in NEFA is more or less a series of river valleys running down from the eastern Himalayas to the plains. What the Tawang Monastery controlled was their river valley, more or less the Tawang, Kameng and east Kameng districts of today. In the other, parallel river valleys, without the presence of a strong administration like that of Tawang. the situation was that there were numerous impervious layers of population between the Tibetan high plains and the flood plains of the Brahmaputra. Trade occurred as a series of transactions, as goods crossed the ethnic boundary first at the Tibet border, then, in a series of transactions, one ethnic boundary after another was crossed, until the goods crossed the last one and reached the flood plains.

The consequences of this situation on the on-going border discussions is quite obvious.

Coming back to the Dalai Lama, quite fortuitously, this lineage, which is not the senior lineage of the Gelugpas, was adopted by the Mongolians under Altan Khan, and as a result, slowly came to supersede the older political power in Tibet, that of the Sakya lineage (who still exist today), one of the three red-hat religious traditions, along with the Nyingma and the Kagyu. It is that connection that is the root of his political power today, and that of the Panchen Lama.

But we are probably getting deeper into the religio-political history of Tibet than is wanted.
 
Must take alot of balls to talk behind a computer screen like that. Your idiotic behavior continues to show. There are many Tibetans especially from Kham who opposed the Dalai Lama and support the ROC and one China policy, they don't want independence. They formed the Tibet Revolutionary Party and even some ex Khamba rebels from the 1959 war say they the ROC and one China, not the Dalai Lama. There are many Turkic peoples in China like the Yugurs and Salars who aren't trying to secede from China. Some Salars fought against the 2nd ETR separatists. No one is going to massacre anyone.
国民党从未有效统治过,叽歪个毛线
 
Sometimes I am sick of those people who always take advantage of CCP's "brainwashing" education and claim that they most be the right one. Even if you are living in the USA, Japan or other countries you can say anything you want, have you even try to avoid only accept unidirectional information, but try to compare different ideas, stories and concepts. This is not a simple world with only white and lack colors.
1 我们读的是大陆的教科书,不是你的
2 地头耕地的大伯都不时侃几句老毛老邓什么的,所以不太明白你的洗脑什么意思,是不是说我们不配放牛?
3 你看到的世界五颜六色,但抬头看远点,实际只有白天黑夜也没错
 
1 我们读的是大陆的教科书,不是你的
2 地头耕地的大伯都不时侃几句老毛老邓什么的,所以不太明白你的洗脑什么意思,是不是说我们不配放牛?
3 你看到的世界五颜六色,但抬头看远点,实际只有白天黑夜也没错

你根本沒看明白我的留言.
 
The Dalai Lama and the CIA (Part 2)--Excerpts from German and Austrian Media

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Published:2012/09/28 08:00

(By the True Heart News interviewing team in Taipei)In June 2012, as the subject of the fourteenth Dalai Lama’s connection with the CIA was publicly reported by First German Television (ARD) and Southern German Daily (Suddeutsche Zeitung SZ), the issue has triggered a series of follow-ups by European media. The news headline highlighted the historical facts that the Dalai Lama did receive financial aid from the CIA for armed guerrilla operations. The ongoing media criticism lasted for a whole week in Europe, questioning that the Dalai Lama’s image is outwardly non-violent, but in fact inwardly he is violent.

Excerpts from the German language media:

June 8, 2012, the Financial Times Germany (FTD) Online:

A Permanent Stain - The Dalai Lama and His Links with the CIA

The Dalai Lama is the epitome of wisdom and gentleness. But apparently he knew more about the support for violent resistance in Tibet by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) than he has previously admitted. He himself even accepted financial support from the CIA.

The Dalai Lama, the spiritual leader of Tibetans, has maintained the image of a moral authority in the world for decades, but this image of being a pacifist is now threatened to collapse. This is because a new documentary “CIA in Tibet” has revealed that the highest Tibetan authority apparently knew more about the support of the CIA for violent resistance in Tibet than he has so far admitted.

The documentary film producer Lisa Cathey interviewed a CIA veteran who described a meeting with the Dalai Lama in 1964. The film is based on interviews with a total of 30 former secret service agents and it will be released in a few months. Parts of it, however, have already been released on the website of Kefiblog.com. According to the reports of the “Sueddeutsche Zeitung" and the TV “Panorama,” the U.S. government's documents show that the American CIA and the Nobel Peace Laureate had stayed significantly closer than previously known.

The Chinese government is probably delighted with this wave of criticism regarding the CIA connections with the Dalai Lama. The world’s fascination for this “Top Tibetan” has long been a thorn in Beijing’s side.

Journalists rely on decoded documents released from the American government a few years ago. The information has never been used by any of the media before. According to the documents for the year 1951-1965, the Dalia Lama and the U.S. government had agreements to conduct the CIA’s Tibet program. At first, representatives of the Dalai Lama made contact with the U.S. embassy in the Indian capital, New Delhi, and the U.S. consulate in Calcutta.

A brother of the Dalai Lama also directly paid a visit to the U.S. government. Their contacts were all asking explicitly for military assistance. According to the "Suddeutsche Zeitung", the Dalai Lama, by 1958 at the latest, has already been informed about the military training program for Tibetan guerrillas by the CIA. This information was disclosed to a reporter by the religious leader for over a decade ago during an interview.

These are not new allegations. What’s already known is that, after the Nixon government established diplomatic relations with China, the CIA has terminated military support for the Tibetans in the early seventies. Also, in the nineties, there were already some books and movies uncovering the connections between the CIA and the Dalai Lama. In his autobiography of 1991, he had written about the contacts of his brothers with the CIA: "My brothers thought it was wise to keep this information from me."

In 1998, a spokesman for the Tibetan government in exile told The New York Times and admitted that in the sixties, they did well receive $ 1.7 million annually from the CIA. The training of guerrilla fighters and the military operations were financed with the money. But the spokesman refuted the report that the Dalai Lama had personally received the money of US$ 180,000 annually. The "Sueddeutsche Zeitung" discovered from their research into the CIA documents that the sum transferred was used as "cash assistance for the Dalai Lama."

Flecken auf den Lebenslauf: Der Dalai Lama und die Nähe zur CIA | FTD.de

June 8, 2012, the print version of Southern German Daily (SZ):

Seemingly Sacred - As a leading symbol of pacifism, the Dalai Lama knows much more about CIA’s involvement in Tibet than what he is willing to admit. Now, this holy monarch has fallen into the shadow of armed violence.

When in the face of his relationship with the CIA, the Dalai Lama, being regarded as the highest moral authority of pacifism, is now in a difficult situation to defend himself.… On the one side he accepts CIA’s financial assistance shamelessly to carry out guerrilla warfare and on the other side he uses the soft image of the Dalai Embassy to conduct non-violent protests; all these are of great conflicts whether in the past or present. Nobel Peace Prize winner, Tibetan guerrillas, and the U.S. CIA ─ when these three are put together, they sound strange, like the Pope, his women and his Porsche. But sometimes this world is just so strange.

Although there is no evidence that the Dalai Lama lied, but he has never told the whole truth either. His role is opaque. His attitude in dealing with this issue does not seem candid. For those who are enlightened, the truth should be only one.

Believers respect him as “monarch,” “Buddha of great compassion,” “ocean of wisdom,” “white lotus lord,” “supreme guru” and "treasure of wish-fulfilling.” ... Although the Dalai Lama once said that he is willing "to become any other living being for anyone as one wishes," apart from Beijing, probably nobody in the world would want him to become a chess piece of the US CIA during the Cold War. His direct connection with the CIA does not match his supreme moral authority at all.

June 10, 2012, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung Online, Germany:

Dalai Lama “Rambo” – In a documentary film, former CIA officers talk about how the Dalai Lama, an icon of pacifism, was pursuing armed resistance against China.

The doctrine of two swords exists not only in Christianity, but in the Buddhist tradition as well. The spiritual and temporal swords should work together to heal the world - for example, to liberate it from communism. ... In his early days, the other "Holiness" (the Dalai Lama) also took advantage of the CIA's assistance … In the film “CIA in Tibet”, retired CIA operatives, from their golf courses and their armchairs, talk about the old days… Today we can be certain: The Dalai Lama, icon of pacifism, was pursuing - albeit reluctantly - armed resistance, as long as this resistance was sponsored by the Americans. In 1971, a special Tibetan unit fought with the Indian Army against today's Bangladesh. A year later, the Dalai Lama participated as a guest of honor in a military ceremony in India, during which those Tibetans who fought were awarded medals of valor. … Two of the Dalai Lama's brothers were the contacts people for the CIA and knew the details of the Tibetan guerilla struggle. In his autobiography the Dalai Lama says, "My brothers thought it wise to keep this information from me," which can be interpreted as the wise self-reporting of a peacemaker asked about traces of violence during a more ambiguous time.

(Retrieve from: Dalai Lama ‘Rambo’ (Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Germany))

June 9, 2012, the Mirror Weekly Online, Germany (Der Spiegel Online):

CIA instructor in Tibet- Dilemma on the roof of the world

There is an almost forgotten chapter of Tibetan history: In the fifties and sixties, the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency trained peasants, monks and nomads to become guerrilla resistance fighters. A documentary now awakes the memories of the mountain guerrillas - and the dilemma of the Dalai Lama.…

The Dalai Lama had never clearly said “No” to the CIA

Thousands of Tibetan guerrillas launched their attacks from the semi-autonomous Himalayan kingdom of Mustang some time later. It is unclear even today how many of them, either Tibetan or Chinese soldiers died. One thing is certain: the Dalai Lama had never made publicly a clear statement against the use of violence, nor had he agreed. In 1967 the CIA was to scale down the operation. In 1974, the Dalai Lama appealed to the last fighters to lay down their weapons.

Since then, he has argued for the display of so-called "middle way": no violence and no independence of Tibet, but he wants to have more religious and cultural autonomy well beyond the boundaries of the Tibet Autonomous Region. Among young Tibetans in exile, this is controversial. Many are willing, like their fathers and grandfathers, to take up arms.

"Shadows on the monarch?" Probably not. In a 1993 interview with "The New York Times," the Dalai Lama criticized the CIA action as "not very healthy," because they were only politically motivated, but not out of "genuine sympathy" for the Tibetan people…

Dokumentation: CIA bildete Widerstandkämpfer in Tibet aus - SPIEGEL ONLINE

June 12, 2012, The Press Online (Die Presse Online):

The Dalai Lama is not a Rambo, neither Jesus, nor a liar

Der Dalai-Lama ist weder Rambo noch Jesus, und auch kein Betrüger « DiePresse.com

June 14, 2012, The Standard Online (Der Standard Online):

The Dalai Lama was On the Payroll of the CIA

Dalai Lama auf CIA-Gehaltliste - Tibet - derStandard.at

The above news excerpts about the reporting of “the Dalai Lama and the CIA” are translated from German media. What is worth mentioning is that a handful of European media still cannot provide impartial reportage despite the historical evidence due to hidden reasons behind it. Among them, the “Mirror” Weekly (Der Spiegel), a German newsmagazine, acts like the Dalai Lama’s personal medium, extolling him with every endeavor for over a decade; during this wave of criticism, it still tries to speak for the Dalai Lama in an attempt to mitigate the effect of reporting on the historical facts that “the Dalai Lama is a hypocrite.” As for the Austria media, they are still immersed in the Dalai Lama's visit to Austria (May 17-26); after they have managed to catch up with this wave of news reporting, The Press (Die Presse), with the reporting that the Dalai Lama did receive subsidy from the CIA to train Tibetan guerilla forces, maneuvers “anti-logic” to appease the criticisms from the internet that “the Dalai Lama is a swindler” by the following argument: In the early nineties, the documentary films aired in BBC already revealed the CIA scheme. This is not news anymore; in a way, the Dalai Lama was not lying.

The Dalai Lama’s connection with the CIA is nothing new, but the main reason why such “old news” could spring into the headlines of prominent European media this June is as follows: The Dalai Lama seems to be an icon of peace who not only repels violence, advocates benevolence, but is also an influential Buddhist representative in Westerners’ mind. However, such an image of absolute peace and non-violence has been utterly subverted due to the exposure of these violent historical facts such as his connections with the CIA as well as the Tibetan guerilla forces. The whole process, in which the Dalai’s peace image is overturned by the devastating truth, sends shock waves throughout European mass media.

Chairman Zhang Gongpu of the True Enlightenment Education Foundation indicates that, although a handful of European media are mesmerized by the Dalai’s halo (Nobel peace laureate), intimidated by the enormous political power of Tibetan “Buddhism,” and try to evade the undeniable historical evidence, most of the media still deserve praise for their professional reporting on the historical facts that the Dalai Lama was connected with Tibetan guerilla forces and the CIA and he supports violent secession; this is because history will be eventually scrutinized by the public eye; the more historical records are revealed, the more it goes to show the violent nature of the Dalai Lama, who indeed violates the Buddhist precepts. We can conclude that Tibetan “Buddhism” is only a fake Buddhism, and the Dalai Lama is by no means a Buddhist.

Editor’s Note:

This article is an English version of the Chinese edition published on

September 1, 2012.
 
The Dalai Lama has been responsible, righteous and has been showing the way forward.

There is no solution to Tibet, apart from the way he's showing.
 
Tonight CCTV 4 runs an investigative report on self immolation of the tibetan monks

I will post the vid here if it is available on the net

All of the monks are encouraged to burn themsleves through instructions from do$$ar lama and/or his organization in an indian temple where it is served as a controlling and communication center. They will be honoured as martyrs and they'll have an excellent next lives after the burning. Most of the monks who have inflamed themselves are youths

VOA, Freedom Asia Radio and do$$ar's own net will spread and glorify the news of all the self-immolations while taking the chances to demonize China!

They have a book of instruction describing the procedures of self immolaton

DL and his clan claim that if independence (Tibet) is not achieved, self immolation will continue

It was revealed on a German TV that Do$$ar lama is on CIA's payroll - receiving over $1.7 mio annually throughout his engagement with one of the most wicked orgs of the world

The above mentioned TV report - Narration in Chinese:

[video]http://news.qq.com/a/20130516/023103.htm[/video]
 
Hi, I'm wondering if anyone can briefly explain why Dalai Lama is considered as a joke among many Chinese? I know it has a lot to do with politics, but I just don't know much about the details of what he did, and what is he trying to accomplish, in which resulted him to be so disliked/hated.

I admit that I didn't follow the news much about this in the past, and my Chinese history is "pretty horrible" XD

I tried googling, but most of the answers/opinions I got are from the Western perspective, in which favors Dalai Lama, and possibly biased?

Anyways, hope ya'll think tanks can help me out a bit here, any help is appreciated!

Thanks

PS: Please don't troll, I appreciate debates, but please not trolling.

That is not possible here :omghaha:
 
你根本沒看明白我的留言.
我不知道,可能理解的出发点不同。作为在深圳做了几年苦力的普通军迷英语又不好,每次回复都心惊胆颤的。我们都知道我们不够自由,共产党当然有自己的利益考量,也可能有人说我们的历史是野史,但学校,无论是国内国外,方式质量如何不同,都是传道授业。首先是教做人,在面对未知,挫折,欺骗等等下如何面对,如何进退有道小我不自私。我相信无论共产党还是国民党,绝不会为汉奸呐喊,也不要因信息获取的多少轻易的说成洗脑,如果这样,我也可以理直气壮的说你们都没读我的东西,是被洗脑了。举个很不恰当的例子,顾客吃饭,餐馆至少不是一股脑的卫生不卫生的都端上欺骗自己的消费者,如果还是中餐馆,食客又想吃点西式,我相信餐馆会为了利益在不推翻自己招牌下考虑顾客需求。食客有挑选餐馆自由,但餐馆也有权利义务对待自己及顾客。
 
对了,推新菜式,餐馆也要根据自身条件有的选择吧
 
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