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There is no substantial Sub-Saharan Admixture among any Arabs on the Arabian Peninsula excluding Hadhramaut in Yemen. This has been confirmed in all genetic tests.

The Sub-Saharan admixture is due to Afro-Arabs. We Arabs usually never married with Afro-Arabs and if a tiny minority of people are mixed it's ancient admixture.

Here everyone can see the admixture among people of the world and the regions were most of their ancestry derives from;

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The sample from KSA is small though. Just 20 people.

Thats why actual afro-arabs look different. They almost look like blacks but the Saudi Arab army photos i posted didn't look like afro-arabs. Look at the features not skin tone.

Another photo, these are not afro-arabs.

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If Afro-arabs make 10% of population but somehow make 80% of army/sports, does not make sense.
 
Afro-Arabs. 80% of those that you can see on your first photo are Afro-Arabs. They are very prominent in the army and sports. Including our football team which is 90% Afro-Arab .I know my region better than you do or any other foreigner and unlike you I can easily distinguish between Afro-Arabs, migrants and Saudi Arabians of Arab descent. There is no major difference in terms of haplogroups and all Arabs of the ME cluster with each other in 99,9% of all genetic tests conducted as also seen in this thread.

Let alone facial features as even Western racialist confirmed long ago.

Arabid race - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lebanese basketball team;

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All outside of the fifth on the back row would fit into KSA without any problem whatsoever. That person might also not even be an Arab/Semite but an Armenian as there are many Armenians in Lebanon.

Lebanese are also famous for using makeup, plastic surgeries etc. In general the average Lebanese is not much different from other Arabs in the ME let alone Syrians which are very similar to us Hijazis as we border each other and have millennium old ties. The only difference is them being a shade or two lighter on average. Which is due to sun exposure.

Well Syrians, Lebanese etc were not really "Arab". They were "Arabized" rather. They spoke different languages like phoenician, amorite etc but became Arabized over the ages. They are semitic nonetheless.
 
If Afro-arabs make 10% of population but somehow make 80% of army/sports, does not make sense.
It makes sense. They have black blood and physically stronger.

I have seen some Dravidians with Black people like built.
 
It makes sense. They have black blood and physically stronger.

I have seen some Dravidians with Black people like built.

The sikh regiment photo i posted was of chamar sikh regiment. So we have a idea how strong average dravidian is if punjabi chamars are like that. I avoided punjabi jatt regiment photo because they make 0.05% of Indian population and many are ex-Pakistanis.
 
Well Syrians, Lebanese etc were not really "Arab". They were "Arabized" rather. They spoke different languages like phoenician, amorite etc but became Arabized over the ages. They are semitic nonetheless.

In that sense 90% of all inhabitants of the Arabian Peninsula 1400 years ago also became Arabized in that sense as Aramaic was the most widespread language of Northern Arabia for instance and also widely spoken in Eastern Arabia. Even today you have several Southern Semitic languages spoken in Yemen and Oman although there are not more than 100.000 speakers left. Obviously once long ago they were in the majority.

Modern South Arabian languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They are called "Modern Southern Arabian" languages which is wrong as they belong to the South Semitic branch while Arabic is a Central, some say Northwestern, Semitic language.

Besides long before Islam appeared Arab kingdoms ruled much of Levant and there has been a constant influx of people from both neighboring regions for millenniums. There is not much difference. In fact Southern Syria and Eastern Syria are almost identical to neighboring Northern Arabia and geographically sometimes even included as part of the Arabian Peninsula. Just like Jordan.

Anyway it's a misunderstanding when outsiders think that Lebanese and Syrians are "white" while all other ME populations, despite being neighbors and having millennium old ties, are somehow totally different. None of it is the case. The conflict in Syria should have had confirmed that a long time ago.

Anyway we are off-topic.

What interests me is where the founders of the IVC came from and their haplogroup. I would personally not rule out an ME connection especially as the bull also had an significance in the IVC. That was typical of ME civilizations of that time.
 
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The sikh regiment photo i posted was of chamar sikh regiment. So we have a idea how strong average dravidian is if punjabi chamars are like that. I avoided punjabi jatt regiment photo because they make 0.05% of Indian population and many are ex-Pakistanis.
I said some. Not all. Afro-Arabs aren't dravidians. They are Black and Arab. Blacks are physically stronger than most races.

Chamar are different from the Dravidians in the south.
 
I said some. Not all. Afro-Arabs aren't dravidians. They are Black and Arab. Blacks are physically stronger than most races.

Chamar are different from the Dravidians in the south.

Most Afro-Arabs are from Horn of Africa, Eastern Africa and Western Africa.

Arab slave trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Although I have read that there are some small pockets of distinct looking people in the mountainous regions of Yemen (Western anthropologists also noticed this) and they are apparently the remnants of some of the first human movements outside of Africa. Most scholars agree that the first humans that ventured out of Africa crossed the Arabian Peninsula first before spreading to the remaining world.

When I say distinctly looking then I mean that they are resembling Dravidians which are otherwise not present in Western Asia/Arab World at all.

Personally I think that the Aboriginals, Papuans etc. are remnants of those earliest human migrations as well. Not sure if similar people though.
 
Most Afro-Arabs are from Horn of Africa, Eastern Africa and Western Africa.
Personally I think that the Aboriginals, Papuans etc. are remnants of those earliest human migrations as well. Not sure if similar people though.
They are australoid (ancestors of dravidians). Again Indians are the most mixed people. Afro-Arabs are just arab and african.
If the mixing had a continued for a long we might have a homogenous unique Indian race.

Scientific studies have pointed that Africans were the ones who migrated first to India. Most people are ignorant about a lot of things related to India. We even had an ethopian ruler in western and souther India. Malik Ambar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There were lot of Siddis and Habsis(Africans) in Indian during medival period. Many inter-married with local population too.

I have seen some dark dravidians(Mostly Tamils) who are built like black people. Inter-mixing was considered taboo in other parts. Indians did freely. Although our society regressed in recent times.
 
They are australoid (ancestors of dravidians). Again Indians are the most mixed people. Afro-Arabs are just arab and african.
If the mixing had a continued for a long we might have a homogenous unique Indian race.

Scientific studies have pointed that Africans were the ones who migrated first to India. Most people are ignorant about a lot of things related to India. We even had an ethopian ruler in western and souther India. Malik Ambar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There were lot of Siddis and Habsis(Africans) in Indian during medival period. Many inter-married with local population too.

Actually I don't think that Afro-Arabs have much Arab blood in them. Nowadays it is mostly distant. Maybe some paternal lines just like surprisingly many Afro-Americans actually descent from Europeans on their paternal side. We can all guess why that is. Apparently is 30%.

USATODAY.com - DNA rewrites history for African-Americans

Anyway let's say that your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather (paternal line) was a Omani but since that time then your family has only intermarried with fellow Afro-Arabs like it is the case with 99% of all Afro-Arabs or at least where traditionally. Then how Arab are you really? Similarly with the Afro-Americans.

A good recent example is Bandar bin Bush. His father was Sultan ibn Abdul-Aziz while his mother was an Afro-Arab.

His father, Sultan;

Sultan bin Abdulaziz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Bandar bin Bush;

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Now Bandar bin Bush married an Al-Saud family member and that's how one of his sons look like;

He married some British aristocratic lady (daughter of some Duke)

Khalid bin Bandar bin Sultan Al Saud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Now he is 25% Afro-Arab (we don't know how his paternal grandmother looked like, she might have been half Arab and half Black or whatever) yet he does not look much differently from the average Saudi Arabian. I mean Bandar's son.

So what to call him? I would not call him an Afro-Arab. That's for sure.

Anyway if you have any genetic tests conducted on Afro-Arabs then it would be interesting if you gave me a shout.
 

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In that sense 90% of all inhabitants of the Arabian Peninsula 1400 years ago also became Arabized in that sense as Aramaic was the most widespread language of Northern Arabia for instance and also widely spoken in Eastern Arabia. Even today you have several Southern Semitic languages spoken in Yemen and Oman although there are not more than 100.000 speakers left. Obviously once long ago they were in the majority.

Modern South Arabian languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They are called "Modern Southern Arabian" languages which is wrong as they belong to the South Semitic branch while Arabic is a Central, some say Northwestern, Semitic language.

Besides long before Islam appeared Arab kingdoms ruled much of Levant and there has been a constant influx of people from both neighboring regions for millenniums. There is not much difference. In fact Southern Syria and Eastern Syria are almost identical to neighboring Northern Arabia and geographically sometimes even included as part of the Arabian Peninsula. Just like Jordan.

Anyway it's a misunderstanding when outsiders think that Lebanese and Syrians are "white" while all other ME populations, despite being neighbors and having millennium old ties, are somehow totally different. None of it is the case. The conflict in Syria should have had confirmed that a long time ago.

Anyway we are off-topic.

What interests me is where the founders of the IVC came from and their haplogroup. I would personally not rule out an ME connection especially as the bull also had an significance in the IVC. That was typical of ME civilizations of that time.


There was a community in there before these IVC.
That is proto Elamite.You can google it.Brahui people and South Indians still carry that same genetic lineage.
IVC was a contribution of the people in subcontinent.
 
They are australoid (ancestors of dravidians). Again Indians are the most mixed people. Afro-Arabs are just arab and african.
If the mixing had a continued for a long we might have a homogenous unique Indian race.

Scientific studies have pointed that Africans were the ones who migrated first to India. Most people are ignorant about a lot of things related to India. We even had an ethopian ruler in western and souther India. Malik Ambar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There were lot of Siddis and Habsis(Africans) in Indian during medival period. Many inter-married with local population too.

I have seen some dark dravidians(Mostly Tamils) who are built like black people. Inter-mixing was considered taboo in other parts. Indians did freely. Although our society regressed in recent times.


What do you mean by this Dravidian race?
Dravidians are just linguistic classification or people that spoke Dravidian languages.Thats all.Dravidians is not a race.If you dont know then you should visit South India.
Aiswarya Rai is a Dravidian.Because her mother tongue is Dravidian .
Similar in the case Tamil Iyer,Iyengar,Kerala Brahmins,Nairs etc.
 
In that sense 90% of all inhabitants of the Arabian Peninsula 1400 years ago also became Arabized in that sense as Aramaic was the most widespread language of Northern Arabia for instance and also widely spoken in Eastern Arabia. Even today you have several Southern Semitic languages spoken in Yemen and Oman although there are not more than 100.000 speakers left. Obviously once long ago they were in the majority.

Modern South Arabian languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They are called "Modern Southern Arabian" languages which is wrong as they belong to the South Semitic branch while Arabic is a Central, some say Northwestern, Semitic language.

Besides long before Islam appeared Arab kingdoms ruled much of Levant and there has been a constant influx of people from both neighboring regions for millenniums. There is not much difference. In fact Southern Syria and Eastern Syria are almost identical to neighboring Northern Arabia and geographically sometimes even included as part of the Arabian Peninsula. Just like Jordan.

Anyway it's a misunderstanding when outsiders think that Lebanese and Syrians are "white" while all other ME populations, despite being neighbors and having millennium old ties, are somehow totally different. None of it is the case. The conflict in Syria should have had confirmed that a long time ago.

Anyway we are off-topic.

What interests me is where the founders of the IVC came from and their haplogroup. I would personally not rule out an ME connection especially as the bull also had an significance in the IVC. That was typical of ME civilizations of that time.

Man I have a slight obsession with the Indus valley civilization. It is so mysterious. As for the middle eastern connection, well, they were in contact with the Sumerian civilization, and thought be called "meluhha". They were the main suppliers of lapis lazuli to the ancient sumerian culture, which was obsessed with the gem. Here's an artifact made of lapis lazuli discovered from some sumer site:
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Some people have drawn parallels between this statue and Ibrahim's story related to the sacrificial goat.

IVC people are said to have supplied lapis lazuli to sumer because in the region, it was only mined in northern Afghanistan, where it is still mined today. Coincidentally, IVC's northern most colony was was found on the Tajikistan Afghanistan border! It baffles me how this culture maintained a trade route through the extremely rugged and inaccessible hindu kush before the invention of roads. Perhaps they used the river indus and kabul as a trade route.

As for the bull significance, well, before the advent of tractors, bulls were used to plough the fields in Punjab and Sindh. Even today some poor farmers use bulls to plough their fields. Like this for example:
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Perhaps bull was considered some sort of a divine animal, related to some God of agriculture? And I also can't help but draw Indus valley's obsession with bulls with modern hinduism's importance to the cow.

As for the race of Indus valley people, I read somewhere that majority of the skulls were found to be similar in morphology to the modern day Punjabi and Sindhi people. Perhaps the indo-aryan settlers were minority and mixed with the natives over time? With that said, harappan ruins were said to be multicultural and some skulls were said to be "australoid" type; maybe they belonged to slaves captured by IVC people from the central indian hills, where australoid like tribes still dwell. Nonetheless, IVC people appeared very caucasian, judging by how bearded the priest king is:
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Compare the priest king's toga with a modern day Sindhi's ajrak:
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The O'Odham: Native-Americans
With Ancestors From India?
By Gene D. Matlock, BA, M.A.

Hindu scholars have always claimed that in remotest times, their ancestors visited every part of the globe, mapping it accurately, and mining gold and copper in such places as Michigan, Colorado, Arizona, England, Ireland, Peru, and Bolivia. Known to us as "Indo-Europeans," they lost their grip on the world in about 1500 BC., retreating to what are now Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Northern India. However, they continued to visit the Americas in their large teakwood ships, many of them 250 feet long and five- to six-masted, until about 1200 A.D. After that, the sectarian fanaticism and territorialism of their religious leaders, rebellions among their conquered subjects, constant internecine rivalries, and troubles with Moslem invaders forced them into isolation.

No Westerner naively accepts India's claims of having once dominated the world. Right? Well, some of us do.

In an essay entitled On Egypt from theAncient Book of the Hindus (Asiatic Researchers Vol. III, 1792), British Lt. Colonel Francis Wilford gave abundant evidence proving that ancient Indians colonized and settled in Egypt. The British explorer John Hanning Speke, who in 1862 discovered the source of the Nile in Lake Victoria, acknowledged that the Egyptians themselves didn't have the slightest knowledge of where the Nile's source was. However, Lt. Colonel Wilford's description of the Hindu's intimate acquaintance with ancient Egypt led Speke to Ripon Falls, at the edge of Lake Victoria.

The Hindus also claim that the gospel of their deity Shiva was once the religion of the world and the progenitor of all religions coming after it.

"Isvar was the only god in India, the whole of Asia, the southern parts of Russia, Mediterranean countries, Egypt, Greece, the whole of Europe, the human inhabited places of both AmericasÖand also in England and Ireland. In all these lands, Isvar was the religion with slight variations in the pronunciation of the word IsvarÖ.the Isvar religion is the mother of all religions in the world, including Christianity and Islam."
(Remedy the Frauds in Hinduism, by Kuttikhat Purushothama Chon; p. 36.)While the languages our forefathers spoke thousands of years ago would be completely unrecognizable to us now, the names of their deities (those that survived to this modern age) may be immediately recognizable to their respective modern adherents, such as the Christians, Jews, Moslems, Jains, Buddhists, and Hindus. Names of deities tend not to change.
Isvar was and is especially visible (to discerning eyes) in our own Southwest as well as in Northern and Central Mexico. Some tribes even worshiped God Shiva's wives and consorts. Spanish priest, Andres Perez de Ribas wrote in his book, My Life Among the Savage Nations of New Spain that a Northern Mexican tribe worshiped two deities:Viriseva and a mother goddess namedVairubai. Viriseva means "Lord Siva" in Sanskrit. Vairubai has to be (a mispronouncing of) Bairava, another name of Siva's consort, Goddess Durga.

A few Hindu scholars insist that not all their gods and religious traditions are natives of the Indian subcontinent. When the ancient Nagas retreated to India, they also took back the deities and religious traditions they had acquired abroad, incorporating them into "Hinduism," a term meaning "The Indus Valley Way of Life."

Historian Chon states:

"There are strong indications in our ancient texts that the places and events described in them are lying outside the geographical limits of India But when we talk of geographical limits, Öare they the national boundaries of post-independent India? Or are they the boundaries of India, the ancient?"
(Remedy the Frauds in Hinduism; p.30.)
Part 2 will be continued very soon .
 
There was a community in there before these IVC.
That is proto Elamite.You can google it.Brahui people and South Indians still carry that same genetic lineage.
IVC was a contribution of the people in subcontinent.

Please explain this part because its not true.
 
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