Pakistanis racial background

[mujhaidind]

Regarding hooked noses then that's actually not a typical "Arab trait". Most of us have "Roman noses". Farsis are more known for bigger noses.

Farsis of Iran are mixed with turks and Arabs. Doesn't matter if they deny it. Pure farsis in India have sharper caucasian features unlike Farsis in Iran who seem to have the middle-eastern look. I don't understand why persians hate arabs so much. Since they have a lot of Arab blood in them. No doubt about it.

Some Arabs like the Lebanese and Syrians do have some white blood in them.

 

[waz]

Do you have any knowledge about Chakothi? how does the demographic there look like?

Some places named after them. Numbers wise very low.

You are Dogra right bro?

 

[dravidianhero]

You are absolutely right friend.Most of members in here are so much proud about their Arab ancestry.But if you take civilisation and culture Pakistanis have a lot more than Arabs.Perhaps Arab should proud about their subcontinent ancestry.

Arabs are already proud.They spread their religion to places like Iran,India,Iraq,Egypt which had much advanced civilisations than their Arab desert culture.They not only spread it but they decimated the native religions and cultures.They conquered the minds of these people to an extent that majority people in these countries now would readily die for Saudi Arabia if any non Muslim countries try to invade it.A Muslim takes more pride in claiming to have an association to Saudi than to his own country.However much we hate Arabs ,they should really be commended for achieving such a remarkable task.If we were to list 5 incredible things that happened on this planet since its birth,the spread of Islam will always be there.There were so many great civilisations in the past but none left an impact like Arabs did.Almost all these great civilisations came under the rule of Islam(Arab imperialism).Arabs created a religion which enabled them to rule over the minds of all the muslims.
PS:Let us not get into the argument of whether it was for the spread of Islam that Arabs started conquests or created a religion which suits their purposes after they started conquering different kingdoms.

 

[al-Hasani]

Thank you Bro.I dont know much about Arab civilization .I will try to improve that.
But what is the difference between these Farsis nose and Roman nose?
Both of them seems like caucasian .But we cant easily identify a Roman and a ME people.

There is not much difference between West Asian populations in terms of facial features. Before modern-day ethnicities and languages came into existence people were quite similar. So when people share similar ancestry/genetics it has often nothing to do with modern-day mixing but ancient one.

Arab noses tend to be long and aquiline while Farsis are more dominated by Armenoid noses which are famous for their prominence and size.

Armenoid race - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Two Saudi Arabians, one of them a well-known doctor (last one).





The first has an traditional Arabid nose while the later one is more Armenoid in appearance.

Farsis have more "Armenoid" in them while Arabs are "Arabid" mainly, obviously. As you can see then an "Arabid nose" and a "Roman nose" are almost identical or at least very similar.

 

[Kabira]

Farsis of Iran are mixed with turks and Arabs. Doesn't matter if they deny it. Pure farsis in India have sharper caucasian features unlike Farsis in Iran who seem to have the middle-eastern look. I don't understand why persians hate arabs so much. Since they have a lot of Arab blood in them. No doubt about it.

Some Arabs like the Lebanese and Syrians do have some white blood in them.

I don't know from where are you getting this. Persians do not have much arab ancestry if at all. Arabs themselves are quite distinct from each other, for exemple Gulf arabs are different then other arabic speaking arabs. And farsis in India are not more "caucasian looking", they have mixed with Indians over the years.

Arabs like Palestine, Syria, Lebanese are more closer to Iranians/kurds then arabs like Saudis and Bedouin.

 

[mujhaidind]

I don't know from where are you getting this. Persians do not have much arab ancestry if at all. Arabs themselves are quite distinct from each other, for exemple Gulf arabs are different then other arabic speaking arabs. And farsis in India are not more "caucasian looking", they have mixed with Indians over the years.

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Arabs like Palestine, Syria, Lebanese are more closer to Iranians/kurds then arabs like Saudis and Bedouin.

I am talking parsis who indulge in inbreeding. Not the ones who have mixed with Indians. They look distinct. They are very few of them. But I know they look different from persians in Iran. Persians in Iran have many facial features of Arabs.

 

[al-Hasani]

Not really. All Arabs cluster with each other and belong to the same haplogroups and always cluster with fellow West Asians.

Facial features even more so. The only differences are in shades of skin color, exposure to the sun etc.

The Arabid/Syrid/Assyriod/Armenoid are all the dominant "races" among ME Arabs.

Regarding Arab/ME/West Asian admixture in Pakistan then I think that it is there but not very dominant. Most tend to look like other South Asians to me and also cluster with each other similarly as West Asian populations do.

Farsis of Iran are mixed with turks and Arabs. Doesn't matter if they deny it. Pure farsis in India have sharper caucasian features unlike Farsis in Iran who seem to have the middle-eastern look. I don't understand why persians hate arabs so much. Since they have a lot of Arab blood in them. No doubt about it.

Some Arabs like the Lebanese and Syrians do have some white blood in them.

All Arabs and Semites are Caucasians. One of the biggest groups of Caucasian people. Always were. A few million Afro-Arabs and some mixtures with foreign people is not going to change that.

There is almost no difference between facial features of Arabs in the Levant and nearby Iraq or Arabia. Hijaz is basically an extension of Sham in terms of facial features.

 

[Kabira]

Not really. All Arabs cluster with each other and belong to the same haplogroups and always cluster with fellow West Asians.

Facial features even more so. The only differences are in shades of skin color, exposure to the sun etc.

The Arabid/Syrid/Assyriod/Armenoid are all the dominant "races" among ME Arabs.

Regarding Arab/ME/West Asian admixture in Pakistan then I think that it is there but not very dominant. Most tend to look like other South Asians to me and also cluster with each other similarly as West Asian populations do.

I think you are not looking at PCA plot properly, Saudi and Bedouins are far away from Iranians aka west asians. Map is about overall ancestry of people and not haplogroups which can be similar from Europe to South India, like R1a1a for exemple. As far as looks are concerned, lets look at average army of 2 different arab countries. Just googled saudi arab army and lebanese army, not cherry picked.

Saudi Arab army

Lebanese army

Just difference of skin tone? Not really.

 

[Butchcassidy]

Some places named after them. Numbers wise very low.

You are Dogra right bro?

No half jatt and half mohyal, my maternal side may have moved from either chakothi or jhelum to baramulla.

 

[Slayer786]

@Armstrong

I am not saying that every Pakistani has those features. But a lot of them do. More common in Pakistan than India it seems.

Also I can see some arab facial features in a few. I know there a lot of Mohajirs in Pakistan who might not have these features. But many other ethnicites do.

Also Jatts in India and Pakistan look a bit different. Pakistani ones seem like they have middl-eastern ancestory.

And Indian Pathans too look different than Pakistani ones.

Arey bhai Mohajir ko kiya samjha hain. when people look at my family they use to think that since we are fair skinned we are pashtuns or punjabis, but my forefathers have come from Shahjahanpur in UP India which is a town founded by Diler Khan in the army of Mughal emperor Jehangir.

 

[al-Hasani]

Afro-Arabs. 80% of those that you can see on your first photo are Afro-Arabs. They are very prominent in the army and sports. Including our football team which is 90% Afro-Arab .I know my region better than you do or any other foreigner and unlike you I can easily distinguish between Afro-Arabs, migrants and Saudi Arabians of Arab descent. There is no major difference in terms of haplogroups and all Arabs of the ME cluster with each other in 99,9% of all genetic tests conducted as also seen in this thread.

Let alone facial features as even Western racialist confirmed long ago.

Arabid race - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lebanese basketball team;



All outside of the fifth on the back row would fit into KSA without any problem whatsoever. That person might also not even be an Arab/Semite but an Armenian as there are many Armenians in Lebanon.

Lebanese are also famous for using makeup, plastic surgeries etc. In general the average Lebanese is not much different from other Arabs in the ME let alone Syrians which are very similar to us Hijazis as we border each other and have millennium old ties. The only difference is them being a shade or two lighter on average. Which is due to sun exposure.

 

[Kabira]

Afro-Arabs. 80% of those that you can see on your first photo are Afro-Arabs. They are very prominent in the army and sports. Including our football team.I know my region better than you do. There is no difference in terms of haplogroups and all Arabs of the ME cluster with each other in 99,9% of all genetic tests conducted as also seen in this thread.

Lebanese basketball team;

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All outside of the fifth on the second line would fit into KSA without any problem whatsoever.

I just googled Saudi Arab army, Gulf Arabs have subtential SSA admixture anyway. These to me do not look like afro-arabs who mostly look like blacks. These to me look like average Saudi Arabian of steet who are more likely to join army/sports. And about South Asians looking similar..

Pak army

Indian sikh army

Yep very similar looking.

 

[waz]

No half jatt and half mohyal, my maternal side may have moved from either chakothi or jhelum to baramulla.

Damm bro, as they say in phari kar de gal, Tu mera praa hai.

 

[al-Hasani]

There is no substantial Sub-Saharan admixture among any Arabs on the Arabian Peninsula excluding Hadhramaut in Yemen. This has been confirmed by all genetic tests.

The Sub-Saharan admixture is due to Afro-Arabs. We Arabs usually never married with Afro-Arabs and if a tiny minority of people are mixed it's due to an ancient admixture. I don't exclude a few rape cases here and there for the past 1300 years or so….

Here everyone can see the admixture among people of the world and the regions were most of their ancestry derives from;

Google Sheets - create and edit spreadsheets online, for free.

The sample from KSA is small though. Just 20 people. It showed 3% "Horn of Africa" and 1% East Africa admixture. That's all. Rest was from Southwestern Asia, Caucasus and some European. Like all other ME people.

10% of Saudi Arabia's population are made up by Afro-Arabs. People often tend to forget that. That's almost as much percentage wise as the Afro-American community in the US and nobody is surprised when they see Afro-Americans when Americans are displayed.

 

[ghoul]

Yeah true, have heard that hazaras are the remnants from mongol garrisons left in present day afghanistan during genghis khan's conquests.

Hazaras are the descendants of local women raped by Genghis Khan's soldiers at Bamiyan.