PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[Signalian]

I believe he has some kills against the Soviets as well.

Wouldn't mind a few kills against TTP when they visit Isb.

 

[jaybird]

Let the Omar speak please......


On a serious note; Chinese needs to understand that not everyone speaks or understands Chinese language. These videos or reporters at-least needs to come up with a solution to send the message across. For example in this vide, she speaks Chinese, the subtitles are Chinese and even Omar is allowed to speak with at-least sub-titles.

I will urge members that while sharing a regional language dubbed video on international discussion; please make sure that either it has English Sub-titles or written analysis be provided so that readers will at-least have the gist out of it.

Have to say I'm not sure about the authenticity and information from the video without the original sound from the interview. For all we know the pilot didn't say any of that, the one who make the video can put words in his mouth. But nevertheless, rough translation of the interview.

Video was uploaded on youtube on March-31-2021.

A famous PAF fighter pilot name "Omar" believe the most dangerous opponent from the join PLAAF and PAF Shaheen (Eagle) Air Exercise is the J-10C. In his opinion the J-10C is very impressive in certain situations. Especially adapted at sneaky attack when there is no AWACS support, even heavy weight fighters is having trouble dealing with it. But there are also shortcomings /problems with the J-10C. And he was very impressed with the advanced avionics and EW of the J-16 and the extremely powerful continuous maneuverability of it.

Omar is PAF 16th squadron leader who is a very experienced and skilled fighter pilot. Also holds the longest tenure of flying the JF-17 in the squadron. He also have a very good understanding of both the Eastern and western fighter jets because he flew western fighter jets including Saudi Arabia's F-15SA and Turkish F-16 in the past.

Omar stated J-10C is a very fearsome opponent. It can trace and track targets with just IRST with out turning on it's own radar and undetected by the opponents. So, J-10C can have a first shoot opportunity at it's opponents. And the J-10C radar is very advanced with it's radar signal reflection much smaller than the F-15SA. If can sneak attack enemy fighters if there were no AWACS support from the other side.

It's vertical climb rate and instant speed change is very good second only to F-16 compared to the same generation single engine fighter jets, better than Mirage-2000 and JF-17. It also equipped with PL-15 and Pl-10 and helmet mount target system that it can lock on target at a very exaggerated angle and shoot it's enemy down. It's instantaneous turn rate is also very good.

He think J-10C can improve on is need more hard-points for BVR AAM. Range is also a problem without conformal fuel tanks, not very good sustained turn rate. if J-10C can't kill it's opponent in the first 30 seconds of the dog fight, then it's a good chance for the opponent to fight back at that time.

 

[GiantPanda]

J-11B and J-16 had owned Golden Helmets victories over J-10 variants (and SU-35.)

Until the J-10C. Last two exercises were won by J-10C with J-16 coming in second.

 

[Enigma SIG]

Wouldn't mind a few kills against TTP when they visit Isb.

I misread PPP

 

[tphuang]

Interesting size comparison of a PAF J-10C vs an IAF Rafale. (Images via Ali Akbar/SDF and Dhruvashish Vangala from Jetphotos)

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It's really amusing to me how such a heated debate ruptured in Deino's twitter thread for just posting size comparisons.

I mean they are obviously about the same size despite one having 2 engines. Total thrust is also quite comparable.

As for all the arguments about number of T/R modules and if they are GaA vs GaN, we don't know the exact answer, but it's suffice to say that the number is probably higher on J-10C and it's most likely they use GaA technology.

 

[The Eagle]

Wouldn't mind a few kills against TTP when they visit Isb.

Until, IAF spares some MiGs to TTP.

 

[The Terminator]

Can we call them dragon warrior

No it's Haram in China to fight the dragon . They won't let you name that

 

[The Terminator]

Another factor is the countries mostly buying them usually a lot few exercises on handling them... Another would be the meat grinder tactics... That we also have seen in Ukraine and is similar with India to a certain point as well... Throw enough men at a problem and it would get fixed.

Russians have pilot training/proficiency issues due to lack of funds for enough flying hours. And their Soviet era support structure makes everything more bulkier, inefficient and cumbersome.

 

[The Eagle]

So the Rafiqui will have tail chopper Thunders with Cobras, Eagles or Zarrars dragons.

 

[The Terminator]

So next time, Pakistan interior minister words can be trusted..

He could be utterly wrong in politics but I never doubted him for this news break. I believed in his eternally firm ties with the Gate#4. He is a nice chap

 

[jaybird]

He could be utterly wrong in politics but I never doubted him for this news break. I believed in his eternally firm ties with the Gate#4. He is a nice chap

The next time Sheikh Rasheed Ahmad say JS-35 or JS-20 coming. I'm a believer!

 

[aliyusuf]

So the Rafiqui will have tail chopper Thunders with Cobras, Eagles or Zarrars dragons.

Couldn't it be Cobras and Bandits??

Almost a year ago, a pic of a model J-10 was released showing it to be from the Squadron 7 Bandits

Although that was a pic with better resolution. But, you can still read serial 21-601 and the squadron moniker Bandits.

 

[The Terminator]

Just to correct this as well. Only three landed in the first package. More packages are / were on the way. The buildup continues. Lets see whether people manage to grab glimpses of other packages as well.

Then members should keep a close eye for any J-10C painted in Pakistani flag and carrying fuel drop tanks at CAC . Catch the bird on the ground and then would be easier to track them all along

 

[The Terminator]

Let the Omar speak please......


On a serious note; Chinese needs to understand that not everyone speaks or understands Chinese language. These videos or reporters at-least needs to come up with a solution to send the message across. For example in this vide, she speaks Chinese, the subtitles are Chinese and even Omar is allowed to speak with at-least sub-titles.

I will urge members that while sharing a regional language dubbed video on international discussion; please make sure that either it has English Sub-titles or written analysis be provided so that readers will at-least have the gist out of it.

IMHO Chinese seem to be the Saudis of the East . They wouldn't speak any other language than their own even if they are fluent in Urdu, French, German and English.

The only exception is business. When it comes to business, Chinese are one of the most hardworking, persistent and relentless marketeers. They would never let you slip out or go out of their communication radar and would keep in touch with you till eternity in whatever language you wish to talk to speak . We should learn from them.

 

[mudas777]

There is a thing called ROEs, you can't shoot down enemy aircraft that are in their own airspace and are not a threat to you. If you start firing indiscriminately, it escalates into open war. PAF knows better than the layman.

Israeli's can do them under the pretext of danger to their aircraft so can we if we had the balls at that time. What India could have done at that time send more aircraft to be shot down or lick their wounds or Modi could have lost the election or wait for the Rafael to show up or wait for the clouds to change colour. They had already launched the raid on our soil previously and we could easily have claimed we stopped them from raiding again. How cowards backed off from launching the Brahamos when some one told them you launch one and you get 3 ballistic lolly pops back.
Now with the arrival of the J 10C what will be their excuse if Rafael saw the dust, it was written in their 5000 old scripts French beauties are too lame?