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should Karachi be made separate province on administrative grounds?


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look what ANP leader says about karachiites?(typical spring onion mentality)

@<u><a href="http://www.defence.pk/forums/member.php?u=391" target="_blank">Spring Onion</a></u>

is it we who made karachi hostage?


 
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ccupation 101: Manghopir &#8211; how it became a no-go area

KARACHI:
With the law enforcers combing the city&#8217;s no-go areas following the recent Supreme Court orders, The Express Tribune explores how Manghopir turned from a land of the crocodiles into a no-go area.
Before the military operation in the country&#8217;s tribal areas in 2009, Manghopir, Sultanabad, Pakhtunabad, Kunwari Colony, Awan Colony and New Mianwali Colony wore a deserted look. Given the low population, the neighbourhood was popularly known as the &#8216;forest of Manghopir&#8217;. The area was also ethnically diverse occupied mostly by low-income families.
The neighbourhood witnesses some changes when the internally displaced persons (IDPs) made their way down to Karachi and settled in various Pashtun-dominated areas. These IDPs initially stayed with their relatives and then bought a number of plots. Most of them returned once the operation ended, but those who were affiliated with the Taliban and had used the migration as a means to escape the operation, stayed back.
&#8220;The Taliban came here to pass their time, but they changed their intentions when they arrived,&#8221; claimed a former Pirabad SHO. &#8220;They didn&#8217;t have to face the army here, there were enough places to live, and Karachi provided ample opportunities for them to collect funds through extortion and kidnappings for ransom.&#8221;
According to him, setting up a no-go area is easier than eliminating one. &#8220;You just have to stand in one area with weapons, and when law enforcers try to enter, you just open fire at them,&#8221; he told The Express Tribune. &#8220;It&#8217;s not hard at all.&#8221;
The older residents of Manghopir admitted that the Taliban gained strength in this area due to support from the community. &#8220;The reaction was mixed &#8211; some people agreed with their mentality so they joined hands willingly, others were forced,&#8221; a resident told The Express Tribune. The families who resisted were threatened by the Taliban, who would also kill their family members settled in the tribal areas, he added.
Step 1 Settling down
Once the Taliban made up their mind about settling down in Karachi, they approached the land mafia. This ethnically diverse mafia allotted illegal plots and sold it to the Taliban on minimal rates, such as Rs30,000 to Rs40,000 for a 100-square-yard plot. &#8220;If you look at it in one way, they carried out illegal work in a legal manner,&#8221; said an estate agent, on the condition of anonymity. As the Taliban became strong, families of other ethnicities started moving out of the area, leading to further militant-dominance. &#8220;You won&#8217;t imagine, but overnight truck loads of Mehsuds came to this area and each man bought around 10 plots each,&#8221; said another estate agent.
Step 2 Joining hands with locals
Once the plots were finalised and the Taliban had a permanent abode, they joined hands with local criminals and offered them to join their ranks. It worked both ways as the Taliban wanted manpower and the local criminals aspired to work on a larger platform. &#8220;Getting these criminals on board helped Taliban procure people who were already trained and knew how the law enforcers in Karachi worked,&#8221; said an official.
Setep 3 Becoming proactive
With a stronger team of militants, the Karachi Taliban became proactive and started taking action against what they called were &#8220;vulgar&#8221; acts in society. They cut down internet and television cable services, shut down shops selling CDs and DVDs and started holding &#8216;Amn Committee&#8217; jirgas in their neighbourhoods.
&#8220;Vulgarity is not allowed in our religion, so if Taliban took action against it, it wasn&#8217;t wrong,&#8221; admitted a resident, adding that they had no trust in the government or the police. &#8220;It is better for us that our own people hold a jirga and decide matters.&#8221;
Step 4 Collecting money
In the fourth stage, the Taliban started gathering funds through extortion, kidnappings for ransom and bank robberies. Given the thriving marble industry in Manghopir, the neighbourhood was an ideal spot for the militant to force businessmen to pay up. &#8220;Our whole world has changed in the past two years,&#8221; said a marble factory owner, on the condition of anonymity. &#8220;The criminals who charged up to Rs100,000 as extortion are now charging up to a million rupees under the Taliban banner.&#8221; The traders are caught between a rock and hard place as they know there will be another &#8216;gangster&#8217; waiting for them if they relocate to another neighbourhood. &#8220;Where do we even go that&#8217;s safe?&#8221;
Step 5 Up in arms
Throughout their nearly two-year journey, the Taliban have collected a large number of weapons and explosives. &#8220;They didn&#8217;t come out in the open until now because they were making sure they were strong enough,&#8221; said a former Manghopir SHO. &#8220;Initially, they would react only when the law enforcers took action. But now, they are targeting them even when they stay out of their areas.&#8221;
Published in The Express Tribune, April 4th, 2013.
 
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If some one call himself mohajir, which is sacred religous title , then why he can not be a pakistani?....pakistan was created for all muslims of india, it is not a federation of four major ethnicities....jinnah told us that from now on you are not punjabi, pathan, sindhi and baloch. But people still themeselves sindhi , pathan or baloch, takes pride in nationalism, does they deserve to be called pakistanis?

What is the nationality of mohajirs? :)))) if Pakistanis then why this title mohajir?

And as far as the sacred title that was just a periodic migration at the time of Prophet (PBUH). They did not stick to the title for exploitation rather ansar e madina themself opened their houses for Quraish.

We also accept these urdu speaking Pakistanis but not the mohajir who wish to break Pakistan.
 
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look what ANP leader says about karachiites?(typical spring onion mentality)

@<u><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.defence.pk/forums/member.php?u=391" target="_blank">Spring Onion</a></u>

is it we who made karachi hostage?



its MQM which started Making karachi hostage first they fought with MQM haqiqi Afaq group in 1990s and killed hundreds of Karachiities then they started fight With ANP in karachi to make karachi their strong hold both parties are responsible for all this Sh*t in karachi not only ANP
 
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i havent seen punjabi muhajirs calling them selves muhajirs even after 65 years , my grand father him self migrated from India to pakistan after partition we never went into this sh*ty Discussion of ethnicity

MQM people will always remian to be bhayas thats all.
These people stayed back thinking they will prosper in India but when Indians kicked them hard then they recalled Pakistan and came here after everything was calmed. Now they want to break pakistan and carve out Karachi as a separate land because now people of Karachi has stood against MQM gundagardi.
 
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this is PTI hooligans firing openly in the streets(teen talwar)

 
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jamiat talba spreading terrorism in KU



heavy weapins captured in karachi smuggled from peshawar

 
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Peshawar the hub of illegal weapons in Pakistan

 
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karachi cng buses attacked by transport mafia


transport mafia involved in smuggling weapons from peshawar

 
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I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be?

I mean it's not like they want to break Pakistan? It is only for administrative purposes? Plus, it should be for Karachites to decide not the rest of the country.

Look at India? Since, independence they have made almost 10 new states, so they can be run more efficiently. Plus they're always up for plans to divide bigger states into smaller ones for better administration.

More provinces doesn't mean disintegration of the country or less patriotism?
 
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MQM people will always remian to be bhayas thats all.
These people stayed back thinking they will prosper in India but when Indians kicked them hard then they recalled Pakistan and came here after everything was calmed. Now they want to break pakistan and carve out Karachi as a separate land because now people of Karachi has stood against MQM gundagardi.

Backward? It sounds really funny coming form a Pakhtun.

Mohajirs are most educated class of Pakistan. We created this country. We are the ones who were busy in Dhaka making Muslim league famous. Not your KPK where there was a frontier Gandhi and Congress government till 1947. We're not from the land of Bacha Khan the traitor who said 'You've thrown us to dogs.' to Gandhi when creation of the Pakistan was inevitable.

And if we were KICKED OUT of India then why not rest of the Muslims in India were also kicked out? We CHOSE to come Pakistan because we saw it as OURS!! My grandfather left a running mill in India to come to Pakistan. Only elite migrated to Pakistan but after 65 years we're called Mohajirs!

Plus we're the ones paying taxes not your tribals. So please take your 'Asli Pakistani' theory with you.
 
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anp guy confesses: his future aim is to target kill urdu speakers and MQM

 
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Backward? It sounds really funny coming form a Pakhtun.

Mohajirs are most educated class of Pakistan. We created this country. We are the ones who were busy in Dhaka making Muslim league famous. Not your KPK where there was a frontier Gandhi and Congress government till 1947. We're not from the land of Bacha Khan the traitor who said 'You've thrown us to dogs.' to Gandhi when creation of the Pakistan was inevitable.

And if we were KICKED OUT of India then why not rest of the Muslims in India were also kicked out? We CHOSE to come Pakistan because we saw it as OURS!! My grandfather left a running mill in India to come to Pakistan. Only elite migrated to Pakistan but after 65 years we're called Mohajirs!

Plus we're the ones paying taxes not your tribals. So please take your 'Asli Pakistani' theory with you.

Backward? and who said that? oh you mean bhaya aka altafa :P

read again please.

as far as bacha khan we fked him hard and we hate him as much as we hate altaf the traitor.

The rest of Muslims there are in NO position even to move.

even after 65 years YOU yourself call yourself a Mohajir and on the basis of this flawed cry baby notion want to break karachi.

If so then we dont have any love for you. If you are a Pakistani then you wont lick altaf's feet and you wont work for breaking Pakistan.

and oh by the way there is no land for bacha khan and his idiot followers, we had burried them in India

I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be?

I mean it's not like they want to break Pakistan? It is only for administrative purposes? Plus, it should be for Karachites to decide not the rest of the country.

Look at India? Since, independence they have made almost 10 new states, so they can be run more efficiently. Plus they're always up for plans to divide bigger states into smaller ones for better administration.

More provinces doesn't mean disintegration of the country or less patriotism?

:) Let the parliament decide that. ONLY MQM Is demanding just because they are losing control over Karachi. time to kick the bhatakhors
 
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