Iranian Missiles | News and Discussions

[Stryker1982]

OTH radars cannot track a moving target's location at 1500km range with sufficient precision to guide a ASBM. A drone would have to travel 1500km from Iran first, get close enough to the target and stay there watching it until the missile impacts. Quite unrealistic.

A combination of OTH radar could help provide initial approximate location of a vessel. A UAV would have to locate the vessel in the approximate area and provide exact coordinates without being sighted and destroyed first.

If the exact coordinates is confirmed, a missile was a fast enough booster launched from 1500km away could arrive to the target area on time to begin the search phase. I do not think once the coordinates are discovered, the UAV needs to survive. Depending on the speed of arrival, the vessel may only at max speed evade the coordinates by 5-10 kilometers, by which point ideally the missile would be sufficiently equipped to search the area and detect the ship on time before moving out of the search zone.

A constellation of satellites which Iran really needs to work on is ideally better as opposed to the OTH. To locate & track shipping, send details as quick as possible and send a UAV to the expected area. It is vital Iran acquires a series of imaging sats and SAR sats for this task.

 

[Messerschmitt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1632992912450670592

https://twitter.com/x/status/1632760221578719232

^ excuse me for the slight fever dream vibes in this video.

 

[Ich]

OTH radars cannot track a moving target's location at 1500km range with sufficient precision to guide a ASBM. A drone would have to travel 1500km from Iran first, get close enough to the target and stay there watching it until the missile impacts. Quite unrealistic.

OTH only has to show the area where the enemy ships floating. Then the missile is fired at this direction and search itself for ships in the OTH given area. Its old stuff for iran.

"
This missile is the newest missile of the next generation of the Persian Gulf anti-ship ballistic missile. "Zulfiqar Basir" missile, equipped with a warhead with an optical detector, has a range of more than 700 km."

 

[lydian fall]

 

[Sineva]

 

[Stryker1982]

These twitter bro's are about 2 decades behind.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1633359735993905155

 

[Messerschmitt]

 

[Stryker1982]

View attachment 919319View attachment 919320

For folks who can't read. What you are looking at here, in the first image is the range of various sea skimming cruise missiles for anti-shipping. The dark red being Qader (200km)

The image on the bottom is the estimate time of arrival of the anti-shipping missile, with the darkest shade being 10 minutes, and the lighter shades incrementally decreasing by 1 minutes.

 

[Stryker1982]

For folks who can't read. What you are looking at here, in the first image is the range of various sea skimming cruise missiles for anti-shipping. The dark red being Qader (200km)

The image on the bottom is the estimate time of arrival of the anti-shipping missile, with the darkest shade being 10 minutes, and the lighter shades incrementally decreasing by 1 minutes.

To get an idea of the traffic;

Tankers;

Cargo:

Tugboats;

Fishing;

Cruise Ships

Suffice to say, their are alot of ships in the area, and alot of terminals and ships in the area. I wonder, how it is even possible to target military vessels, when the anti-shipping missile can hone in on any of these potential ships instead. More so, any anti-shipping sea skimmer would have alot of space to get concealment due to the heavy traffic in the area, which would help in reducing detection times.

People don't understand, a war here is simply not okay in this area, it would force all these civilian related ships to disperse from the large area, disrupting all manner of trade and energy shipments. Basically a large NOTAM for air (as well as a sea-version of NOTAM) would have to be declared in the area which would create a whole host of problems. This area approximately would have to be completely blocked from flights. These are not small things. They can keep the ships operating, but costs would sky rocket as a result of the risk that a anti-shipping missile may hone in on the wrong ship

 

[jauk]

To get an idea of the traffic;

Tankers;

Cargo:

Tugboats;

Fishing;

Cruise Ships

Suffice to say, their are alot of ships in the area, and alot of terminals and ships in the area. I wonder, how it is even possible to target military vessels, when the anti-shipping missile can hone in on any of these potential ships instead. More so, any anti-shipping sea skimmer would have alot of space to get concealment due to the heavy traffic in the area, which would help in reducing detection times.

People don't understand, a war here is simply not okay in this area, it would force all these civilian related ships to disperse from the large area, disrupting all manner of trade and energy shipments. Basically a large NOTAM for air (as well as a sea-version of NOTAM) would have to be declared in the area which would create a whole host of problems. This area approximately would have to be completely blocked from flights. These are not small things. They can keep the ships operating, but costs would sky rocket as a result of the risk that a anti-shipping missile may hone in on the wrong ship

You are incorrect. It’s a very simple pattern recognition system. In fact the distinguishing factors of military assets make it relatively simple. Old stuff. There maybe other distinguishing factors such as speed, make, radio, etc. Target identification is not really a thing. Also once conflict starts many vessels will clear the area. There might be a few collaterals too as systems fail, etc. So?

 

[lydian fall]

Mossad head: Iran has Tactical nuclear weapons more advanced than Russians

 

[Stryker1982]

You are incorrect. It’s a very simple pattern recognition system. In fact the distinguishing factors of military assets make it relatively simple. Old stuff. There maybe other distinguishing factors such as speed, make, radio, etc. Target identification is not really a thing. Also once conflict starts many vessels will clear the area. There might be a few collaterals too as systems fail, etc. So?

I don't get it, what did we disagree on?

I alliuded to the traffic here and made it quite clear that a conflict in this area is not tolerable to many nations and the west because of the effects on shipping and air traffic.

 

[jauk]

I don't get it, what did we disagree on?

I alliuded to the traffic here and made it quite clear that a conflict in this area is not tolerable to many nations and the west because of the effects on shipping and air traffic.

But it can be managed by Iran. I don’t believe ‘the west’ will consider this as a prohibitive item either.

 

[Messerschmitt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1633914869845032960

 

[Muhammed45]

View attachment 919319View attachment 919320

For folks who can't read. What you are looking at here, in the first image is the range of various sea skimming cruise missiles for anti-shipping. The dark red being Qader (200km)

The image on the bottom is the estimate time of arrival of the anti-shipping missile, with the darkest shade being 10 minutes, and the lighter shades incrementally decreasing by 1 minutes.

I miss the Ghadir sea skimming cruise in that figure. It has 300 KM range.

How about adding Abu-Mahdi with 1,000 KM?