Capabilities of PAF Dassault MIRAGE-III/V.

[Yasser76]

Sir Sorry may be you are a fighter pilot or expert aviator like many here but I found at many places that radar is AESA and despite being under powered after upgrades the Jet is much lethal with multi role capabilities, do you honestly think our Mirages are at that standard. We should remain stuck with these old birds which may result in loss of many precious pilots if are entered in any near future clash with India.

On other hand India also has some thinking even for changing engines of these jets.

Links are given below mentioning AESA radar under Darin III upgrade.
https://www.financialexpress.com/de...ionics-jaguar-still-lacks-the-thrust/1721036/
http://www.indiastrategic.in/2017/08/11/hal-upgrades-jaguar-aircraft-with-powerful-aesa-radar/

Not fighter pilot or expert just have ability to use Google, your links are old, this is info from last year

"With HAL struggling to integrate new radar on the jets, there has yet to be handover of a Final Operational Clearance (FOC) unit."

https://dsm.forecastinternational.c...dian-air-force-freezes-jaguar-engine-upgrade/

 

[CHI RULES]

If you look at airforces some have a old yet easy to maintain, upgraded jet doing bomb truck duties with modern munitions. Turks have the F-4 Terminator, US has the A-10 and B-52, British have the Tornado etc. For us it's the Mirage and its ability to deliver SOW. These Mirages have stable handling at low altitudes so they will soldier on till we get Azm ready or as long as we have weapons in inventory that can be delivered by Mirage only. However they will fly with other platforms as they cant defend themselves against new modern threats.

Someone quoted on this forum that PAF is going for avionic suite upgrade on our Mirages and both Denel and Chengdu gave proposals after which Denel selected.

Don't need a powerful radar on these Mirages, just need a decent datalink, reliable navigation and accurate weapon delivery systems. Lets wait and see.

Sir our planning may be right for few skirmishes but in all out war you shall require more jets for A2A engagements, PAF has limited resources so jets should have multi role capabilities. PAF considering threat level and ground realities can't be compared with Turks, US or Brits.
Further PAF has about 180 Mirages and they all are certainly not in use as bombers only they are there for multi roles so they should have decent defensive and offensive capabilities to counter emerging threats.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

You know that is a Mirage 2000 in the 2nd picture right?

Corrected thanks.

 

[The Accountant]

Mirage are our most cost effective,reliable and effective BOMB TRUCKS. We as a nation never had any complaints from these beauties, always made us proud.

With only 5 hard points, calling them bomb truck is not justified.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

With only 5 hard points, calling them bomb truck is not justified.

Are you sure my friend!

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=318417512212028

Nearly similar disposition of Hijara bombs below apart from the side winders on the sides.(Picture is of FAF)

 

[Shabi1]

Sir our planning may be right for few skirmishes but in all out war you shall require more jets for A2A engagements, PAF has limited resources so jets should have multi role capabilities. PAF considering threat level and ground realities can't be compared with Turks, US or Brits.
Further PAF has about 180 Mirages and they all are certainly not in use as bombers only they are there for multi roles so they should have decent defensive and offensive capabilities to counter emerging threats.

PAF will replace these as options open up. But only a few will be updated and kept flying as specialists.

 

[The Accountant]

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Are you sure my friend!

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=318417512212028

Nearly similar disposition of Hijara bombs below apart from the side winders on the sides.(Picture is of FAF)

I am not sure which bombs / missiles they are ? if they are general purpose dumb bombs then they are of much less utility. However, if they are smart bombs then mirrage can be categorised as a good bomber but still not bmb truck as these are small bombs and weight carrying capacity of mirrage is still much lower than heavy fighters like su30 or F15

 

[CHI RULES]

Not fighter pilot or expert just have ability to use Google, your links are old, this is info from last year

"With HAL struggling to integrate new radar on the jets, there has yet to be handover of a Final Operational Clearance (FOC) unit."

https://dsm.forecastinternational.c...dian-air-force-freezes-jaguar-engine-upgrade/

Sir please send any link showing that India is struggling to integrate AESA Elta 2052 radar on Jaguars under Darin-III.

 

[Clairvoyant]

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I am not sure which bombs / missiles they are ? if they are general purpose dumb bombs then they are of much less utility. However, if they are smart bombs then mirrage can be categorised as a good bomber but still not bmb truck as these are small bombs and weight carrying capacity of mirrage is still much lower than heavy fighters like su30 or F15

These are Mk.20 cluster bombs,this is a very atypical bomb load and not carried on most missions.

 

[denel]

South African IFRs were tested on JF17 but were not adopted.

then explain to me

Good, more BVR capable platform for PAF in hostile times.



Those birds have BVR capable radar, which means PAF have to integrate BVR to make them lethal.

I would not count chicks before they hatch; knowing EAF very well and their ability to keep anything working - most would be near state of mothballing. That is if only they are brought over.

 

[Deltadart]

Anymore news on the new avionics package for the mirages and how many units will be involved?

 

[litman]

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I am not sure which bombs / missiles they are ? if they are general purpose dumb bombs then they are of much less utility. However, if they are smart bombs then mirrage can be categorised as a good bomber but still not bmb truck as these are small bombs and weight carrying capacity of mirrage is still much lower than heavy fighters like su30 or F15

but we also need to look at our funds . we have to be contend with what we can afford. we cant afford F-15 or su 30. the mirage as shown in the pic will be used to wreak havoc with the indian army columns . for precision strikes these mirages will carry H2, H4 and RAAD cruise missile. only mirage can carry these weapons. JFT has partially replaced mirages in air to see role but still it cant fully replace mirages in air to ground role. F-16 can carry more payload then mirages and also some guided missiles and bombs like the AGM 65, AS 30 and JDAMs but in a full scale war PAF will not use that precious asset in air to ground role. they will be carrying out the air defence duties. in a future air war the toughest and the most risky job will be that of mirage pilots.

and i also forgot to mention MAR 1 anti radiation missile which i think only mirage and JFT can carry.

 

[The Accountant]

but we also need to look at our funds . we have to be content with what we can afford. we cant afford F-15 or su 30. the mirage as shown in the pic will be used to wreak havoc with the indian army columns . for precision strikes these mirages will carry H2, H4 and RAAD cruise missile. only mirage can carry these weapons. JFT has partially replaced mirages in air to see role but still it cant fully replace mirages in air to ground role. F-16 can carry more payload then mirages and also some guided missiles and bombs like the AGM 65, AS 30 and JDAMs but in a full scale war PAF will not use that precious asset in air to ground role. they will be carrying out the air defence duties. in a future air war the toughest and the most risky job will be that of mirage pilots.

and i also forgot to mention MAR 1 anti radiation missile which i think only mirage and JFT can carry.

I dont disagree that mirage have a key strike role with PAF but still do remember that this is work around and not an ideal solution.

Furthermore, they are risk to much precious life of pilot.

Lets end of discussion here.

 

[syed_yusuf]

Rb199 are available on eBay for 92k USD. An ideal replacement for atar 9c . There are total of 2000+ made over 80s and 90s. And the beauty is it can fit in mirage of paf. Something to ponder on and consider. Rb199 is a good engine with quality after burner. This solves higher thrust issue and been turbofan it provides better fuel consumption.

Hence better range and reliability

 

[Yasser76]

Sir please send any link showing that India is struggling to integrate AESA Elta 2052 radar on Jaguars under Darin-III.

Can you read? The link and quote I have given. You would gain much more respect and greater self confidence if you just admit you were wrong