What’s up lately with Pak-KSA relations ?

[Kaniska]

One thing for sure, SA is definitely a brotherly country for Pakistan...India can be a partner but for sure, India can not never get the place in the mind of SA that Pakistan has in Gulf....

Rather than blaming left and right to SA, Pakistan really need to step back and go back to your drawing board of foreign policy.... I mean, pause for a moment and think about it....You are trying to just betray SA just because, SA did not exclusively criticize India??? If this is way, your leadership conducts foreign policy, then Modi do not need any one to make friendship Gulf when such leaders from Pakistan makes our life so easy....

Some one claim to invite Malaysia, Turkey and some other nations to Pakistan and make a summit....But what is the big deal even if all OIC members criticize India in a summit....In Muslim world, apart from Gulf, Iran and Turkey, rest of the nations does not hold any significant clout in our part of the world...So rather than breaking your age old relationship and trying to compete with Gulf nations, you guys should engage in contructive way with SA and try to understand their perspective too....

 

[M.Bison]

One thing for sure, SA is definitely a brotherly country for Pakistan...India can be a partner but for sure, India can not never get the place in the mind of SA that Pakistan has in Gulf....

Rather than blaming left and right to SA, Pakistan really need to step back and go back to your drawing board of foreign policy.... I mean, pause for a moment and think about it....You are trying to just betray SA just because, SA did not exclusively criticize India??? If this is way, your leadership conducts foreign policy, then Modi do not need any one to make friendship Gulf when such leaders from Pakistan makes our life so easy....

Some one claim to invite Malaysia, Turkey and some other nations to Pakistan and make a summit....But what is the big deal even if all OIC members criticize India in a summit....In Muslim world, apart from Gulf, Iran and Turkey, rest of the nations does not hold any significant clout in our part of the world...So rather than breaking your age old relationship and trying to compete with Gulf nations, you guys should engage in contructive way with SA and try to understand their perspective too....

and what is their perspective?

 

[Kaniska]

and what is their perspective?

That is exactly the job of your foreign ministry to figure it out....If you say that SA favors India and ditch Pakistan, then even we Indian can not beleive it....So how can you believe such statements???

Again, foreign policy and the foreign ministry have a role to play in such a situation...Why no one has ever asked your govt about failure in foreign policy due to which SA did not support a resolution?

 

[Leviza]

Pakistan is the founder of OIC. And now these pathetic members ...

Yes
But sometimes when you start something and it’s not working for you then you leave it for better

 

[HAIDER]

Yes
But sometimes when you start something and it’s not working for you then you leave it for better

Pakistani leadership has personal issues. They fix there personal business matter and sell national interest. Look at Open Sky policy.

 

[HAIDER]

Royal family is from a Jewish tribe of ANZA BEN WA'EL so they are very unpredictable at this time. They are going to further normalize their ties with Israel and Israeli Jews will be able to Visit Mecca abs Medina.

Yes, Khyber is the most sacred site for Jews. Alsaud family destroyed all landmarks which belong to Holy Prophet PBUH, but they never touch Khyber fort, which spread acres of land.

 

[Genghis khan1]

What the hell is wrong with you? We NEVER ditched those swines, we have had a long understanding written in stone that 'IF' their soverigenty is ever at stake we will protect 'central arabia' as it if it was our own homeland. It's not our fault the uncivilised horde have been trigger happy lately, eating more then they can chew. Syria is a sovereign country (well it was) before regional powers made it their proxy battle field, and not only destorying millions of lives, but made Israel more powerful. Syria used to be a significant buffer state for the surounding muslim countries against the zionist kingdom before it was weakned by the treacherous so called muslim leaders including the Sultan, and enabling foreign forces to have a foothold in sacred muslim land unopposed.

What business is it of the house of saud to meddle with Syrian affairs, Libya's, Iraqs or Yemens, these zionist puppets destroyed the middle east doing their masters bidding thinking it will allow them to keep sitting in their illigitimate thrones. This sick out of place mantra of: "oh we betrayed the house of saud by not bombing sovereign muslim countries to the stone age, and not fulfilling the muslim killing qouta.. now we must pay the price" ... seriously get a grip, you can't keep living under the shadow of arab despots.. Their very aim is to divide muslim lands, like what they did with the Caliphate, they sold out Jerusalem back then and today they made it official. If you keep bowing down to them it will only bring more misery, may they rot in hell for all the suffering they have brought to the muslims around the world.

Kool story, people like you make (Youtube sheik) Imran Hossain proud. But the question still remains the same, what do Pakistan offer in return, for every time Saudis lend a helping hand to Pakistan in Need?

Pakistan decided to stay away from Yamen. and then Sudan offered its services and Manpower.
Now what they are getting ?.. other than two type of Bags. One full of dollars, other full of Bodies.

Considering the nature of Pakistanis, If PA had taken the bait that time and landed in yamen,
the same Mouths who are crying now for not backing Saudis then, would still be crying for why wasting presious lives for the ill doings or sectarian tussels between persians and arabs

If Pakistan acted in time, and get along with GCC and Turkey to stop the bloodshed in Syria. Yemen would have died down on it own. Some time all you need to do is show support. Show of force, no one was asking for a ground invasion.

In Syria, Pakistan would had never involved and everybody knew it (including Saudis) already but in Yemen, Saudi Arab was in direct threat because of the close proximity. Luckily for the Saudis, Trump won elections who kept Iran in check in Yemen. Iran couldn't involved herself into Yemen like the way they are in Iraq and Syria. Yes and I agree to this that we sort of ditched Saudia Arab that time though we have our own solid reasons for that.

Issue isn’t ditching, like one TV commentary stated, we took it to parliament to make the mockery out of the Saudis so called Alliance.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Pakistan decided to stay away from Yamen. and then Sudan offered its services and Manpower.
Now what they are getting ?.. other than two type of Bags. One full of dollars, other full of Bodies.

Considering the nature of Pakistanis, If PA had taken the bait that time and landed in yamen,
the same Mouths who are crying now for not backing Saudis then, would still be crying for why wasting presious lives for the ill doings or sectarian tussels between persians and arabs

Alhamdulilah that we avoided two useless wars. Pakistan is too susceptible to sectarianism due to having a large Shia minority and open border with Iran.

The Yemen conflict was an internal issue of Yemen, which Saudi Arabia needlessly entered. Houthis are as much a part of Yemen as any other group. There was no reason for the war. They only started taking the support of Iran after KSA started bombing them. Now the whole of North Yemen lies in ruins and disease, but the world doesn't even notice.

We are doing the right thing by urging all Muslim countries to stop hostilities with each other, and we shall be proven correct with time.

 

[jupiter2007]

Yes, Khyber is the most sacred site for Jews. Alsaud family destroyed all landmarks which belong to Holy Prophet PBUH, but they never touch Khyber fort, which spread acres of land.

Pakistan need KSA so we can’t piss them off but he need to work toward the block7 with Malaysia and Turkey, eventually more countries will join. This will put pressure on Saudi and OIC.

 

[M.Bison]

That is exactly the job of your foreign ministry to figure it out....If you say that SA favors India and ditch Pakistan, then even we Indian can not beleive it....So how can you believe such statements???

How do you know that Pakistan has not figured out what Pakistan's relationship with SA is like ? Your assumptions are based on what exactly?

Again, foreign policy and the foreign ministry have a role to play in such a situation...Why no one has ever asked your govt about failure in foreign policy due to which SA did not support a resolution?

Again, where is the failure? Why are you making bipolar statements?

On one hand you are saying that Pakistan's policy towards SA is a failure because SA failed to support a resolution to spite India. On the other Hand you are showing your Hindu sympathy by saying that SA would always choose Pakistan and would not ditch Pakistan when compared to India. Implying that Pakistan is not empathetic to SA's situation. So which one is it?

Leave Pakistan foreign policy to the Pakistanis. They don't need your Bollywood politics.

 

[PakistaniJunior]

Just want to point a couple of things:

a) The Malaysian summit cannot be simply attributed to Yemen episode. The Malaysian summit was seen as a foundation of a power bloc that included Turkey and Iran. Both enemies to the interest of Saudi Arabia. Pakistan standing together with those two would naturally not go well with the Saudi Arabians. They expect Pakistan to remain in the Gulf camp considering their above and beyond benevolence in stabilizing the Pakistan economy.

b) The awards to Modi and Trump were just flattery. At best, it could be seen as an intent by Gulf states to have a mutually beneficial bilateral relationship with India and US respectively. As sovereign countries, the Gulf states reserve that right. It has nothing to do with the personalities of Modi or Trump as that would matter little to them.

While Turkey and Iran are "threats" to Saudi Arabia, They are and could be Pakistan's "Benefits". This is precisely why i urge self-dependency. All things beneficial for Saudi Arabia doesn't necessary equats to it being beneficial for Pakistan too.

Around the time they asked for us to join in their war in Yemen (a secterian issue), we were just starting to recover from a decade full of gruesome horrors. We lost alot through the war against terrorism. If a Pakistan in that state, gave into the Yemen war, it would've resulted in Secterian issues within our own borders too. It Would've given terrorists another excuse to manipulate our uneducated populace to join their ranks. More terrorism would insue. Which would've further crumbled our economy and country. Honestly, Who knows what else it could've triggered? I believe not even Saudi Arabia's billions of dollars could've saved us then. The end result would've been our own loss.

I understand why they wanted to give appeasement to India, they provide a bigger Market than us as well as workers("slaves"). Thus it is dangerous for us to remain in the Gulf Camp. Our core interests do not align together. Our Future does not lies with Nations that are indifferent to our sensitivities. So, we shouldn't be dependant on the Al-Sauds anymore.

 

[Verve]

Pakistan ditched Saudis when they asked for help in Syria.

It started from Syria, Yemen came in later. Yemen was a round 2 after Iranian success in Syria. During Yemen Saudis were in Panic mode and we ditch them again this time publicly.

Rightly so!

Where were Saudis and Emirates when Pakistan was in the firing line after 911, which was done by Saudi nationals??

Funding of BLA and TTP was routed through which countries?

These countries have not returned a single penny of the loot by corrupt in Pakistan. They are not even providing full information!

Syria and Yemen came much later and we did the right thing then.

Our commitment to protect Makkah and Madinah stands and that's it!

There's only so long we can be blackmailed by these lot and when the leverage is gone they will feel the pain, rest assured.

You may have a fish memory but others do not.

 

[313ghazi]

In essence i agree with you, but the concept of only the rich being able to enter politics is what saddens me. What we need is the right person for the right job not a rich person for every job. That is what is essentially wrong with the concept of this type of democracy and thats exactly why Socrates was against it.

I don't think it was my intention to suggest only the rich should enter politics, although it's an unfortunate reality of our politics today. I think a poor man with something to say, should be heard, but I don't think he will be heard until rich people buy him a platform. With a greater middle class/upper middle class, we will have a lot of people with a little bit of wealth, who could pool that wealth to greater effect, all whilst not having a monopoly in the interests of the candidate they support.

An example of this is the Momentum movement within the Labour party of Britain. Momentum is a hard left wing movement within the traditionally centre left labour party. They are the chief backers of Jeremy Corbyn. JC can afford to speak out against big business, the media, and other traditional kingmakers in Britain because his political funding is not based on them. It comes from donations from working class, middle class people, little amounts but lots of it.

Unfortunately he's not been successful - but the idea was that this money has the potential to bring in people power - even within this inherently corrupt political system.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Rightly so!

Where were Saudis and Emirates when Pakistan was in the firing line after 911, which was done by Saudi nationals??

Funding of BLA and TTP was routed through which countries?

These countries have not returned a single penny of the loot by corrupt in Pakistan. They are not even providing full information!

Syria and Yemen came much later and we did the right thing then.

Our commitment to protect Makkah and Madinah stands and that's it!

There's only so long we can be blackmailed by these lot and when the leverage is gone they will feel the pain, rest assured.

You may have a fish memory but others do not.

.. And what exactly were you expecting Saudis n Emirates to do after 911. Send their British and US made jets to fight for Pakistan or Taliban.

TTP is an international listed terror organization, are you telling me GCC was defying international laws and were complicit in funding an international terror organization irrelevant to them? What did Pakistan do about it?

What agreement, mutual understanding or international court order you have for them to return anything. Your courts are croupt n unreliable. Today’s criminal will be tomorrow president.

Now remember all the time Saudis help us. What do we have offered them in return other than umma chumma Habibi plz more money.

Realistically, world relations are based on a two way road.

 

[alibaz]

KSA lost its mind and trying to become a total dictatorship , trying to play leader of Islamic world by using its wealth and they are pushing Pakistan into the corner where the Relationship will/might seen some backdrop . Honestly if its not for Mecca and Medina , KSA has no importance for Pakistan .

Yes, MBS need to understand that his kingdom is limited to KSA only, other countries have limits to give him space or bear pressure considering their very own national interests. Honestly donnot agree to your last sentence, besides Makkah and Madina we have many economic interests with KSA.