what will be pakistan's answer to rafale

[Basel]

Doubt that.
French will not allow them to go as far.
I believe in case of war, Su30MKI will full fill this role....... while Bisons, Mig29,M2K & Rafales will take on PAF in dog fights.......

Nope, Rafael is purchased to fulfil role of many jets specially strike role ones and it is perfect replacement for MIG-27. Why French will not allow them? India will have no restrictions on use of Rafael.

PAF need to take few measures now, to make current old fleet potent, ASRAAM with IRIS-T missiles should be inducted and integrated on all new and specially on old fleet because it will add punch to them giving old non BVR capable jet some BVR capability and superb Offbore WVR capability without using radars.

 

[Tipu7]

strike role ones and it is perfect replacement for MIG-27

But not NUCLEAR StRIKE ROLE.

 

[SrNair]

And did these performance specifications change after a certain conflict compared to what they were before? As stated before, these testaments of being "combat tested" has little bearing on an aircraft's capabilities, most of which would have been tested and verified during flight testing and evaluation.



Not exactly. Different nations/corporations move at varying speeds mainly due to how they manage their supply chain, their R&D, and work ethics in general. That is why the European powers overtook the Chinese in firearms technology, in the 19th century, even though the Chinese had far more experience building them.



Claiming these things are often a lot easier than backing them up.

'Combat tested' tag is relevant even now .
Dassault ,Boeing ,LM etc briefed our IAF about their AC capabilities with latest data from Libya and ME .Any AF including ours take that as an important factor .
Chinese are still struggling to sell their AC because none of yours even didnt see an insurgency fight .


Of Course R&D and technology .That is where your nation is severly lagging .West and Russia has all that advantage .

Backing ??
Your Chinese govt backed that when they bought S 400 and Su 35 .

Once the money you gave in exchange of the goods of your need thst bussines is over ?
Then if you need more , you need to ask , or request & if both aernt not working ?
you need to beg with all of your dam floating seas of green $$$ ?

actually , itS up to the supplier that , he may listen your request , your bussiness proposals ,or your call of mercy , begging to help you out ?

If you think russia,S existence on earth is just because selling arms to India ?
my friend pls stop watchin " slum dog millionaire" on DD tv chanel 4 so many times .lolzz

your dam airforce is on russian tech , & you are pissssing them , ofF with large quantity of raffeals.
They are going to break you down into pices .



sure you know well , what kind of bombing can be done , on troops fighting on hilltops from mirage 2000's in the night ?
& our dam F*16s can't stop those ,IAF fighter jets ?
can you imagine , if the IAF some day come to bomb those so called DGDP offices in pakistan & your logics can't stop them ?
decesions not made in offices or so called DGDPs in pakistan , instead few power full group does it ?
Just to get their kick backs transferd into their hidden accounts .
I have passed all that , & stop teaching me what is what , I have served in pak army , & served it well.
Instead of few self declared geniuses like you , who keeping this nation being fooled , decades after decades ?
just to sort out their dam kick backs ?

Begging with tons of currency is way better than begging with empty bowl like you leaders do.

Now we are inviting them for manufacturing in India .You know India and Russia going to jointly develop Ka 226 helis for international market .That is not a begging my friend .That is a brilliant diplomacy .

India is one of the Russia's biggest market .A sane nation cant afford to lose billions of $ market .Russians are good businessmen.

But not NUCLEAR StRIKE ROLE.

What you makes you think that they dont allow?
You can use your Agosta any way you want .Similar case is in here.
Mirage 2000 is also serving as our nuke bomber .

Doubt that.
French will not allow them to go as far.
I believe in case of war, Su30MKI will full fill this role....... while Bisons, Mig29,M2K & Rafales will take on PAF in dog fights.......

Nice dream

 

[DrWatson775]

As the deal between india and france is almost done for 36 rafale , what will be the answer of PAF to this acquisition of IAF , RAFALE is miles ahead of anything we have in our inventory , it will shift the balance of power even more , PAF might go for
36 F16 Block 61 (V)
36 J10C
Australian F18 (but pak must not go for american again )
36 J11D if russia allows
36 SU35 ( difficult to get and maintain )
F15 eagle ( very difficult )
36 eurofighter ( if pakistan can get them then its gonna be the most prime fighter of asia )
or shift the funds to J31 and procure them in large numbers
opinions please

For the coming 7 to 10 years PAF will have almost no answer to the Rafale just like it did not have any to the SU30MKI for 7 to 8 years until they finally ordered AIM120Cs in 2006. History it seems is going to be repeated in more than one way in the next 10 years.

 

[Spy Master]

There is saying in Engineering and that is "You Don't need to Reinvent the Wheel"...!
"To reinvent the wheel is to duplicate a basic method that has already previously been created or optimized by others"
So stupid people calling China a "Copy/Paste" Nation should know that they are smart, much smarter than you and I'll say, so is Pakistan by gaining knowledge and taking help from China and other Nations instead of FALSE BOASTING that we did this and that blah blah and starting from scratch...!
This is not 18-1900s era any more, world is Changing so fast day by day that you cannot compete with West if you begin your work from ZERO...You have to take a BASE LINE and CHINA took that base from already INVENTED and DEVELOPED Technologies Instead of going for their own and this is Called smartness...Now what does the world see? China's Technological Advancement or their Reverse Engineering? Their Tech Advancement!
They learned from already tested technologies instead of developing them from scratch and now they are able to make their own...But Some People will not understand that, it hurts their "Super Power" Ego...!
@wanglaokan @SinoSoldier

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

There is saying in Engineering and that is "You Don't need to Reinvent the Wheel"...!
"To reinvent the wheel is to duplicate a basic method that has already previously been created or optimized by others"
So stupid people calling China a "Copy/Paste" Nation should know that they are smart, much smarter than you and I'll say, so is Pakistan by gaining knowledge and taking help from China and other Nations instead of FALSE BOASTING that we did this and that blah blah and starting from scratch...!
This is not 18-1900s era any more, world is Changing so fast day by day that you cannot compete with West if you begin your work from ZERO...You have to take a BASE LINE and CHINA took that base from already INVENTED and DEVELOPED Technologies Instead of going for their own and this is Called smartness...Now what does the world see? China's Technological Advancement or their Reverse Engineering? Their Tech Advancement!
They learned from already tested technologies instead of developing them from scratch and now they are able to make their own...But Some People will not understand that, it hurts their "Super Power" Ego...!
@wanglaokan @SinoSoldier

Just as europe/the west took a baseline point from science and technology from Asia/the Islamic world during the renaissance period of the 14th-16th centuries to get to where they are now.

 

[Basel]

But not NUCLEAR StRIKE ROLE.

Your post shows you don't have clue what I have said. MIG-27's conventional role was always area of concern.

 

[batmannow]

Your posts show you don't have any clue how capable our defences are, they may be weak as enemy is huge but make no mistake Pakistan can give befitting response to its enemy even with conventional weapons.

Working in PA don't make you a strategist and 95% soldiers don't know about procurement procedure, I know that because I have worked there.

Do you know what is one of the most important concern of PAF about Rafael induction?? That is, it will take role of Mig-27s, if you are knowledgeable person you should know what I m talking about. There is reason PAF n PA inducting SR & MR SAMS.

I never stated that Pakistan's defence is down ?
Or it can't give flashing slap to any aggeseor against us ?
But we are talking about , the stupid loop holes created by few , croupt officials ?
F*16s are the living proof of it ?

Sr & Mr missiles can hold the required shield against ,IAF top attack/bombers Rafael's , mig 29s , & SU-30MKI s & mirrage 2000s onslaught at any Pakistani city ?
I mean your post shows , how I'll informed you are about IAF , working with paper work is much much , easier any graduate girl can do that job , but picking a gun & fight for the country , isn't ?

I have done that , so the value of the defence of the country , I know more then you can imagine in your dreams ?

Long or medium range SAMs can buy you some to time , to assemble your attack formation against in coming air attack from any side , but it can't work all alone ?
If it was like that no country would have air forces ?

Can you tell me how many of long range SAMs are cruntly been deployed by PAKARMY & since when ?
If you have ever worked , in any of strategical formation with in pak army ever ?
If you can't answer then , just come back to topic?
Cause with only few articles & googling won't make you a strategist at all ?
For IAF, rafeals PAF needs J*20 ,J10s , or. SU *35s its a reality .

 

[cerberus]

Rafale

 

[dy1022]

piece of cake !!!

J10C- AESA(13XX T/R)+IRST+14T WS-10B engine+BVR

 

[_NOBODY_]

J-10 c .Good in paper and specs .But when it comes to real time experience Rafale is a mammoth .That fighter already saw actions in Libya and against IS in Iraq and Syria .
Then again.It has western avionics .So except J 31 or J 20 ,there is no rival for Rafale in Asia for now.

It seems that you are forgetting Su-35, J-15 and J16.

 

[PakEye]

J-10 c .Good in paper and specs .But when it comes to real time experience Rafale is a mammoth .That fighter already saw actions in Libya and against IS in Iraq and Syria .
Then again.It has western avionics .So except J 31 or J 20 ,there is no rival for Rafale in Asia for now .
EFT of course can be good.But you have to convince 4 nations and a good load of money ..

What is the time duration when the Rafael will be physically included in AIF and why India is not interested in SU-35 ??

 

[S.Y.A]

Nope, Rafael is purchased to fulfil role of many jets specially strike role ones and it is perfect replacement for MIG-27. Why French will not allow them? India will have no restrictions on use of Rafael.

PAF need to take few measures now, to make current old fleet potent, ASRAAM with IRIS-T missiles should be inducted and integrated on all new and specially on old fleet because it will add punch to them giving old non BVR capable jet some BVR capability and superb Offbore WVR capability without using radars.

A-Darter would be a much better choice, in my humble opinion. IRIS-T being a European system, may not be available to Pakistan. Besides A-Darter is jointly developed by Brazil and South Africa, we already have defence ties with Brazil(PAF uses MAA-1 and MAR-1), and I saw a post today about MoDP and Denel: https://defence.pk/threads/ministry...n-modp-and-denel-soc-ltd-south-africa.420174/

 

[Kal Muah]

What is the time duration when the Rafael will be physically included in AIF and why India is not interested in SU-35 ??

India all ready has an air superiority fighter in su 30mki which will be later upgraded to super sukhoi, which will be as good as su35 if not than better. And Lca is in low combat category, so to fill the medium gap IAF is inducting rafale which can both act as high n low

 

[thrilainmanila]

the economy isn't doing too great don't expect to see mericals, the SU-30MKI with be upgraded to super sakhoi's it will take time but upgrades will happen. PAF will need to find the money, the answer may take years with the poor economic situation