what will be pakistan's answer to rafale

[Srinivas]

And you are checking neither the purpose of my post nor the reason why the UK purchased the Gripens (training/support).

Purchase of combat aircraft need not be due to a technical need.

That is the point here.

You already have J 11 which is exact copy of Russian design, thing is chinese airforce is looking some thing in su 35 reason why your govt is buying them.

Seems J11 is not at the standard of su 35.

 

[arbit]

And therein likes the fault in your argument. The Su-35 was never meant to replace or even augment the J-11, but rather serve alongside the J-11B and J-11D like any other component of the PLAAF's Flanker force. The quantity being purchased (24) and the persistent rumor that the Chinese are retrofitting them with Chinese avionics/subsystems are indicative of that.

So you are saying that you 'developed' all these aircrafts in J series upto 20 and 31 including a, b and c and what not but forgot to develop just the one to serve alongside J-11B and J-11D?
Moreover you are buying just 24 to complement the existing fighters in the hundreds. Who are you kidding ?

The reason remains that Su35 is far superior to anything in you inventory and probably you would want to get your hands on the engine tech of something. The usual chinese way.
So I ask again why was Su-35 bought from Russia when you are oh so self reliant in aircrafts manufacturing?

China is well acknowledged war machine even by USA army, India is more well known for Bollywood.

Hence i ask again your opinion on the excellent performance by Chinese defence forces against Japanese imperialism. And more recently on the Chola incident. What was your naturally born war machine doing then? Or was it even born! LOL

As far as bollywood goes. Yes we are known for that. We are also known for the excellent human resource being provided to the world to head their companies.
And sooner or later we will be known for excellent manufacturing in defence sector. Just wait an watch.

 

[Darth Vader]

Honestly This Forum from is changing itself from a defence forum to like joke or wishlist page

People are making jokes or or bitching about the things they have no idea

Why Pakistan has kept selecting 2nd f16s
Few reasons
Long history and know the limitations of that platform and easily manage even if Pakistan goes into embargo again a dedicated fighter bird which can fill any role Pakistan air force needs for specific mission

Now all who are saying su 35 , its not happening and sayign pakistan need a really heavy deep strike bird come on people you are fighting a enemy which is right beside you
And they have really good sams , radars and list goes on and sending those bird for deep strike you are not come out of 60s people sams are really good now its time for a systematic warfare
Fighter bombers are a realic of past or you have complete air superiority and eneimes ground radar and sams are tottaly disabled
Unless they will be sitting ducks for sams which India operates
For Pakistan now the current job for Air force is to defend its border inside Pakistan
F16 is a capable air craft and has proven itself again and again
As people saying
Pakistan should buy this and that than also keep making 10 to 15 thunders per years and also keep saying money to for a 5th gen jet people please stop day dreaming
36 birds are capable but instead pakistan lacks in advance ground radar systems and sams these are the priorities and these should be sorted out and put all the system in one system which will save time and will give option of using other options which can change everything

 

[Basel]

so PAF are operating 2 secret squadrons of a mystery jet (J-10 or 11) and they're based in China ?

sounds legit

It was said by Defence Minister and media reported it, so should be authentic. He was the one who also said we are discussing purchase of advance fighter jets from Russia.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Seriously when I hear Bullcr@p like this I doubt whether people are serious about what they write! Ever heard the concept of WWR? War Wastage Reserve? Availability and servicing in peace time is dictated due to budgetary requirements in terms of trimming the revenue expenditure of the overall force and structuring the requirements in order to maintain a minima for peace time deployment. Seeing you display UK's flag, with the logic you are giving, your nation is doomed in terms of defence preparedness. But you have your stocks in case you need to mobilize and field larger force structures than those being required right now. Now coming to war time requirements ...... WWR is there to meet the contingency for fighting a war (and not merely a battle). WWR is not touched irrespective of what the peace time contingency is.

Example 15 IL-76s held by IAF but only 3 to 4 are "available" whilst rest are AOGs (aircraft on ground). But with 3 hours notice all can be operationalized.

Please be serious about your arguments.

Thanks

what i was saying that 55% of the planes are in an "available" state to fly immediately. the rest is in need of parts/servicing/maintenance to fly. how long do you think it would take to get the rest/most of the mki's ready in time of need, considering you rely on russia for parts and servicing of the engines .our typhoons are in decent shape and we do have a tendency to cannibalize some of them temporarily to maintain upkeep, we have a qru (quick response unit) thats are ready to fly immediately and are airborne in about 90 seconds from getting the call to taking of. the lL-76 are robust work horses they near enough always ready just like the c17's, its too early to say for the a400m's

It was said by Defence Minister and media reported it, so should be authentic. He was the one who also said we are discussing purchase of advance fighter jets from Russia.

is that where they keep the f22's as well?

 

[T-72M1]

It was said by Defence Minister and media reported it, so should be authentic. He was the one who also said we are discussing purchase of advance fighter jets from Russia.

c'mon man, secret squadrons of mystery jets in a foreign country...

do you even realize how ridiculous that sounds ?

 

[Pomegranate]

Honestly This Forum from is changing itself from a defence forum to like joke or wishlist page

People are making jokes or or bitching about the things they have no idea

Why Pakistan has kept selecting 2nd f16s
Few reasons
Long history and know the limitations of that platform and easily manage even if Pakistan goes into embargo again a dedicated fighter bird which can fill any role Pakistan air force needs for specific mission

Now all who are saying su 35 , its not happening and sayign pakistan need a really heavy deep strike bird come on people you are fighting a enemy which is right beside you
And they have really good sams , radars and list goes on and sending those bird for deep strike you are not come out of 60s people sams are really good now its time for a systematic warfare
Fighter bombers are a realic of past or you have complete air superiority and eneimes ground radar and sams are tottaly disabled
Unless they will be sitting ducks for sams which India operates
For Pakistan now the current job for Air force is to defend its border inside Pakistan
F16 is a capable air craft and has proven itself again and again
As people saying
Pakistan should buy this and that than also keep making 10 to 15 thunders per years and also keep saying money to for a 5th gen jet people please stop day dreaming
36 birds are capable but instead pakistan lacks in advance ground radar systems and sams these are the priorities and these should be sorted out and put all the system in one system which will save time and will give option of using other options which can change everything

Wonderful Wonderful and just Wonderful ...... You are a Good analyst ......... thanks for such a good analysis on the issue we have very few members like you here .... thanks mate ..

 

[Basel]

c'mon man, secret squadrons of mystery jets in a foreign country...

do you even realize how ridiculous that sounds ?

Its not big Deal when it comes to China Pakistan relations, many don't know the depth of cooperation between two.

 

[T-72M1]

Its not big Deal when it comes to China Pakistan relations, many don't know the depth of cooperation between two.

but it doesn't even make sense.

ok, assuming this secret squadron thing is true.. how do you rationalize it ?

 

[Basel]

but it doesn't even make sense.

ok, assuming this secret squadron thing is true.. how do you rationalize it ?

Remember Pakistan have signed MoUs for purchase of 36 J-10 (FC-20) & development of stealthy variant of JFT and Chinese offer to JV J-31 & Ch-5 UCAV.

Pakistan and China will come up with some justification even if those jets are J-11 or higher.

 

[T-72M1]

Remember Pakistan have signed MoUs for purchase of 36 J-10 (FC-20) & development of stealthy variant of JFT and Chinese offer to JV J-31 & Ch-5 UCAV.

Pakistan and China will come up with some justification even if those jets are J-11 or higher.

ok let's drop it, but if it makes you happy, already job done, eh

so the secret squadrons in China are the solution for your Rafale dilemma, India are just playing catch up.

 

[Silicon0000]

Futureof PAF:

F16, JF17, JF31.

May be TFX.

Rest is all dream. Enjoy it

 

[313baberali]

As the deal between india and france is almost done for 36 rafale , what will be the answer of PAF to this acquisition of IAF , RAFALE is miles ahead of anything we have in our inventory , it will shift the balance of power even more , PAF might go for
36 F16 Block 61 (V)
36 J10C
Australian F18 (but pak must not go for american again )
36 J11D if russia allows
36 SU35 ( difficult to get and maintain )
F15 eagle ( very difficult )
36 eurofighter ( if pakistan can get them then its gonna be the most prime fighter of asia )
or shift the funds to J31 and procure them in large numbers
opinions please

F35 combine purchase with turkey and Saudiarabia a big order can only open the jaws of americans ,but it never happen before so its difficult..so what ever is left is China .Russia is as much untrusted as americans are.LETS see what PAF decide .but recent news shows indians experts are not happy with deal of Rafels and comparing them with latest F16s.hope we get best missiles for JF17 in future.a tech upgrade always change the picture.

 

[Aero]

Honestly This Forum from is changing itself from a defence forum to like joke or wishlist page

People are making jokes or or bitching about the things they have no idea

Completely agree

People here say (--------) country should buy this or that,or this hardware is better than that one. (I don't think anyone here have actually tested the any hardware themselves.) Armed forces who actually see the requirement & take available funds into account to select a suitable product (& of course actually test them) & still people here say no -no we should totally go for that one (WTF? are you on a grocery/candy store).
Also mentality of some people here.

 

[thrilainmanila]

If the Chinese were so trusting of the Su-35 exhibiting any significant advantage, they would never have ordered merely 24 of them. The Su-35 deal is a separate matter and should be dealt as such.

24 SU35 are examples which they'll try to reverse engineer, they don't have confidence in there own aircraft it's a fact