Vikramditya & the IAC Vikrant Threat To Pakistan Waters

[kya_haal_hai]

At that times China was not going to become a super power and they had their own problems, today its totally different story, China is becoming a power to recon with and they are willing to project power beyond their backyard in future. The rise of China and India in last two decades have changed many things in the region.

Don't worry it is just in the case of war.

India don't have balls to attack Pakistan first because of our over defensive foreign policies and weak leadership.

 

[Shinigami]

yeah but pakistan is not china.....
And we know the capability of PN....
I hope you remember 1971....

you are a fool
due to past wars, many indians like you tend to underestimate pakistan and overestimate china

 

[li0nheart]

we will only use atom bomb to end the story

Then We'll use Sunny Leone (ITEM BOMB), to restart the story.

 

[GURU DUTT]

you are a fool
due to past wars, many indians like you tend to underestimate pakistan and overestimate china

well brothr we are chankayan idology followers cunning & evil yaindoos

+what yousee always in not so simple and true as you want it to be specialli when dealingwith hindu banya indians

as they are masters of deception and never under estimate or over estimate and thats percieslli why we survived 800 years of islamick and 100 years of britsh dominence and now with 66 years have bounced back to give your Ummah the nightmares ever wondered why

as for dealing with pakistan we dont need CBGs for it we already have better and much much cheaper options

At that times China was not going to become a super power and they had their own problems, today its totally different story, China is becoming a power to recon with and they are willing to project power beyond their backyard in future. The rise of China and India in last two decades have changed many things in the region.

few things

1. China will not fight a war with india to save pakistan ...period

2. India is not the smae as it was in 1947, 65 or even 1999 as you experienced..they are much more agressive and in revenge mode with a very cunning and calculative owtlook to owtsmart & defeat pakistan in any adverse situation if it evr happens

3. Pkaistan no longer enjoys its traditional levrage and trust to all those whos opinion matters now in the world to survive and many of its friends are abondaning it for india for the same cause

4. world of today is about economy and intellect rather than muscule power or valour .... even in valour and muscle power world has seen true face of pakistan after OBL raid and slallaa anddaili drone drizzel and the usual pakistani response that follows

so my brother its best for pakistan to make peace with india on indian terms other wise it will face the same fate as that of east timor or checkoslovakia

 

[Janmejay]

you are a fool
due to past wars, many indians like you tend to underestimate pakistan and overestimate china

lol,i thought you are an Indian.
anyways my post was not to understimate or overestimate anyone.....
I replied to him the way he replied to the thread....
You are a senior memeber and an Indian(my guess) so i am not replying you harshly like you called me a fool...

 

[Basel]

few things

1. China will not fight a war with india to save pakistan ...period

2. India is not the smae as it was in 1947, 65 or even 1999 as you experienced..they are much more agressive and in revenge mode with a very cunning and calculative owtlook to owtsmart & defeat pakistan in any adverse situation if it evr happens

3. Pkaistan no longer enjoys its traditional levrage and trust to all those whos opinion matters now in the world to survive and many of its friends are abondaning it for india for the same cause

4. world of today is about economy and intellect rather than muscule power or valour .... even in valour and muscle power world has seen true face of pakistan after OBL raid and slallaa anddaili drone drizzel and the usual pakistani response that follows

so my brother its best for pakistan to make peace with india on indian terms other wise it will face the same fate as that of east timor or checkoslovakia

Pakistanis are the one who are hurting the nation by playing in others hands for self interest or miss guided, India don't have guts to fight a fair war with us although they enjoy superiority over Pakistan in conventional warfare. If your Modi become PM show guts even then Pakistan is able to hit u hard and your economy cant take that hit.

Pakistan has nothing to lose its India who have lots at risk in case of a war with Pakistan.

 

[Vinod2070]

Pakistanis are the one who are hurting the nation by playing in others hands for self interest or miss guided, India don't have guts to fight a fair war with us although they enjoy superiority over Pakistan in conventional warfare. If your Modi become PM show guts even then Pakistan is able to hit u hard and your economy cant take that hit.

Pakistan has nothing to lose its India who have lots at risk in case of a war with Pakistan.

This "pahanega kya aur nichodega kya" mindset needs to change.

It is just saying that you don't have anything so you can't lose anything.

And to keep this "advantage" you will never have anything!

This is cutting one's nose to spite the face.

And what if we don't give a damn! What if we are not interested at all?

What if we never come and all of it goes waste? What if all that paranoia was for nothing?

 

[Basel]

This "pahanega kya aur nichodega kya" mindset needs to change.

It is just saying that you don't have anything so you can't lose anything.

And to keep this "advantage" you will never have anything!

This is cutting one's nose to spite the face.

And what if we don't give a damn! What if we are not interested at all?

What if we never come and all of it goes waste? What if all that paranoia was for nothing?

Its India who is doing every thing to put Pakistan with wall and think that we will not go to MAD if specific threshold is crossed, what they don't understand is that its them who are forcing Pakistan to be in this position. People in Pakistan are not extremist as many in India think, its India itself who is pushing ppl and concerned quarters of Pakistan to wall.

India is stopping our water violating water treaty, no ready to leave Siachin where both countries are uselessly killing their soldiers through mother nature and list goes on.

 

[Pfpilot]

I'm not sure what the relevance of such a topic has in the Indo-Pak scenario. An aircraft carrier is a tool for power projection over long distances. More than likely, the emerging IN fleet of aircraft carriers will be directed towards China. In times of heightened tensions or conflict with China, they will likely be deployed in the Pacific and/or the eastern part of the Indian ocean, in order to reach parts of mainland China that are beyond the range of IAF resources.

Deploying an aircraft carrier off the coast of Karachi, on the other hand, is likely to yield very little returns for an insane amount of risk. Operating from forward bases, IAF aircraft can easily reach any major Pakistani city, making the IN aircraft a luxury, not a requirement. Sticking an aircraft carrier within range of all Pakistani assets, whether missiles or aircraft, puts India at a disadvantage. For a nonexistent advantage, a billion dollar piece of equipment and its rather large crew could be sunk by only a few PAF assets slipping through IN defenses.

Generally speaking, wars are not fought in a vacuum and nations don't deploy assets with the reckless abandon of us, forum members.While the IN may deploy a carrier against Pakistan, it would be to provide cover for other IN assets in a naval blockade of Karachi. Even then, its effectiveness against Pakistan will always be limited; we don't exactly have a world beating navy, nor do we expect to dominate the seas. The PAF and PA will likely try to strike fast and impart enough damage over land to bring India to the table for a ceasefire, long before a blockade could do its damage.

Then again, plans often fall apart in practice; but that applies to both Pakistan and India. Much like a successful blockade would cripple the Pakistani war effort; a sunk aircraft carrier would irreversibly damage the Indian psyche within the confines of the conflict.

 

[Storm Force]

Vikramditya will be deployed 400km from Krachi in a blockade scenario

The RING of steel around it will include

Su30mki land based
P8 Posedion martime
And at least 5 frigates & destroyers

I doubt you Pakistani will get even 200km from the carrier

 

[Basel]

Vikramditya will be deployed 400km from Krachi in a blockade scenario
The RING of steel around it will include
Su30mki land based
P8 Posedion martime
And at least 5 frigates & destroyers
I doubt you Pakistani will get even 200km from the carrier
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If it will be diployed 400 kms from coast of Pakistan then it will be in trouble, because PN coastal defense can hit beyond 400 kms. PN even dont have to use other assets for that, but to punish IN CBG hard in your said rang PN can bring hell to your CBG with its limited resources due to its net centric capability.

PN posses this system for coastal defense but there are also other systems too.

C-602 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Aforesaid system has been discussed on PDF link below:

Pakistan received 120 cruise missiles C602 from China

 

[Mitro]

Vikramaditya if made it close to 400km from karachi
no matter how many frigate or destroyer protect it ,it will take couple of hit and will be out of war.
so According to you 30 MKI has nothing good to do then protect aircraft carrier.
so what about mig 29 its just for showcase.
why people forget of Awacs in pakistan posession with europian and chinese can detect and send fighter towards the Su30mki or mig29 or P8.

Carrier group is vulnerable without proper LRSAM and Barak 2 if install is still just 70km.

When Pakistan have a formidable sea denial capacity still people are stupid of thinking about Blockade.

Blockade is only posible when PAF is completely own by IAF and it never happen in past and it will never happen in future and if happen then Indian cross the thresold and nobody will be able to stop "MAD" situation.

Vikramditya will be deployed 400km from Krachi in a blockade scenario

The RING of steel around it will include

Su30mki land based
P8 Posedion martime
And at least 5 frigates & destroyers

I doubt you Pakistani will get even 200km from the carrier

 

[indiatester]

Vikramaditya if made it close to 400km from karachi
no matter how many frigate or destroyer protect it ,it will take couple of hit and will be out of war.
so According to you 30 MKI has nothing good to do then protect aircraft carrier.
so what about mig 29 its just for showcase.
why people forget of Awacs in pakistan posession with europian and chinese can detect and send fighter towards the Su30mki or mig29 or P8.

Carrier group is vulnerable without proper LRSAM and Barak 2 if install is still just 70km.

When Pakistan have a formidable sea denial capacity still people are stupid of thinking about Blockade.

Blockade is only posible when PAF is completely own by IAF and it never happen in past and it will never happen in future and if happen then Indian cross the thresold and nobody will be able to stop "MAD" situation.

Couple of hits won't take an AC out of war.
You are also under the assumption that the AC has to be close to the coast to enforce a blockade. An AC can enforce a distant blockade too.
When you are talking about sea denial capacity of PN, do you know how many resources PN & PAF have to dedicate to take care of the threat posed by Vikramaditya?

 

[Janmejay]

you are a fool
due to past wars, many indians like you tend to underestimate pakistan and overestimate china

If it will be diployed 400 kms from coast of Pakistan then it will be in trouble, because PN coastal defense can hit beyond 400 kms. PN even dont have to use other assets for that, but to punish IN CBG hard in your said rang PN can bring hell to your CBG with its limited resources due to its net centric capability.

PN posses this system for coastal defense but there are also other systems too.

C-602 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Aforesaid system has been discussed on PDF link below:

Pakistan received 120 cruise missiles C602 from China

I dont think cruise missiles cant hit moving targets ....
Besides that the carrier will have barak missile defence system....

 

[ejaz007]

Couple of hits won't take an AC out of war.
You are also under the assumption that the AC has to be close to the coast to enforce a blockade. An AC can enforce a distant blockade too.
When you are talking about sea denial capacity of PN, do you know how many resources PN & PAF have to dedicate to take care of the threat posed by Vikramaditya?

Couple of hits would take any aircraft carrier out of war if not sink her.

It depends where the missile hits the carrier. If carriers own resources (fuel and ammunition) com into play then believe me one has a very messy situation at his disposal.