Vikramditya & the IAC Vikrant Threat To Pakistan Waters

[HariPrasad]

Yeah you are right they just got allien technology to make aircraft carrier invisible

It is not less than alien technology for technologically backward country.

Hahaha funny are you 12 years old india cannot repair the engine they have to send it to russia to fix it.

More nonsense than what your usual crap writing.

I think Brahmos is first intercontinental cruise missile with 10000 km range with multiple war heads

No dear, it is 290 KM range Mach 3 cruise missile.

 

[Storm Force]

Czar 786 sounds desperate.

Somebody ask this fella how many nuke subs Pakistan building or how many destroyers and frigates they building. Ask him what Pakistan can do with a tiny forex of 8 billion versus 300 billion for poor India. Does this Pakistani understand theddirect correlation on no GDP = no military capability.. cruise missles from China will do zilch in the end.

 

[GURU DUTT]

When ever PAF will decide to take on Carrier battle group their will be multiple weapon on different platform using their Awacs system which will easily track then from 350 to 400 km away and direct them to their target with out using their radar so their RCS will be minimum and can also use AWACS data on F-16 AMraam with out using f-16 radar to guide them in mid course then switching their own radar to target Mig29.

F-16 job will be to take care of Mig29 which is carrier base fighter .
J717 will take care of mig29 and will deliver C802 cruise missile.
Mirage will be only for attacking carrier battle group.

and i am not talking about naval platforms like F22p and sub.

well bhai thing is qwality and numbers and on those two parameters alone you are in no pstion to challenege india your onli hope is ...iff...iff i mean chinese come to your rescue but the thing is chinese will go to war onli when they want to they will never go to war to save pakistan cause if they do that it gives USA, Japan, S korea , Vietnam & Taiwan to fully and openli support india cause "an enemy of your enemy is your friend" but the thing is we are already going great guns and dont need anybodies help but in wartime that shal be apreciated and will not be forgotten but tell me which ummah nation will come to your rescue 'iff' ever theres a indo - pak war

now as for your AWACS well buddy i think you have no idea about them go and ask any PAF official and he will tell you why sending land based AWACS to open seas is a bad tactical move ..... well the thing is AWACS needs at least 2-4 Fighter aircrafts to escort it even if its in your own air space while CBGs ...read Indian CBGs have there own multiple heli based AWACs (K31 helix) now go and google it even USN uses E2D on its super carriers ever wondered why

as for there range wll by the thing is india already has Novotar K-100 very long range BVR missiles and each Mig 29K will carry at least one apart from 2 WVRs & 2 BVRs

one more thing pakistan is next door to india and during war time owr multiple & multi band PESA/ASEA/2D-3D-4D land based and aerostat radars will be scanning , tracking and annaylising all your movements cause most of them have 400 Km+ range which again will be backed by 5 phalcon AWACS + equal Number(if not more) of Indian made AWACS all of whome while remaining at least 50 Km inside indian air space can scan,track as far as hindukush mountain ranges & will alert all indian offensive & defensive assets simontainousli which in return will alert indian navy, indian air force and CBGs which will do the needfull to stop and blunt your attck well before they could even reach in a striking postion

as for satnd off wepons do you have any idea what stand off wepons we have

please il ask you my intellegent sir google it and do some research

the main thing is indian navy will never send CBG for blocking your sea lanes as i told before its not worth risking CBG to do naval blockade of a country like pakistan

as for your super dupar F 16s well bhai that will be your biggest tactical mistake if ever you send them to do naval job as thanks to friends like israelies & singaporeans we now have quite a bit of inside knowledge of your primarry platform

you donthave to worry onli carrier based Mig29Ks as all your air bases are not more than 150 kilometers from the indo pak border and there we have at least
100 MKIs +60 each of upgraded MIG 29s & M2Ks + 150 MIG 21 Bisons(all carry BVRs)
backed by 150 jags for strike role

lolzzz even USA dosent uses F16s for naval jobs...you will need something like F18 or typhoon to do that job deu to range

so bhai ji thing is CBGs are not for naval blockade job tell me how will you attack us when nor do you have numbers niether the quwality

but then good luck cause you will need it more than us

 

[Janmejay]

well bhai thing is qwality and numbers and on those two parameters alone you are in no pstion to challenege india your onli hope is ...iff...iff i mean chinese come to your rescue but the thing is chinese will go to war onli when they want to they will never go to war to save pakistan cause if they do that it gives USA, Japan, S korea , Vietnam & Taiwan to fully and openli support india cause "an enemy of your enemy is your friend" but the thing is we are already going great guns and dont need anybodies help but in wartime that shal be apreciated and will not be forgotten but tell me which ummah nation will come to your rescue 'iff' ever theres a indo - pak war

now as for your AWACS well buddy i think you have no idea about them go and ask any PAF official and he will tell you why sending land based AWACS to open seas is a bad tactical move ..... well the thing is AWACS needs at least 2-4 Fighter aircrafts to escort it even if its in your own air space while CBGs ...read Indian CBGs have there own multiple heli based AWACs (K31 helix) now go and google it even USN uses E2D on its super carriers ever wondered why

as for there range wll by the thing is india already has Novotar K-100 very long range BVR missiles and each Mig 29K will carry at least one apart from 2 WVRs & 2 BVRs

one more thing pakistan is next door to india and during war time owr multiple & multi band PESA/ASEA/2D-3D-4D land based and aerostat radars will be scanning , tracking and annaylising all your movements cause most of them have 400 Km+ range which again will be backed by 5 phalcon AWACS + equal Number(if not more) of Indian made AWACS all of whome while remaining at least 50 Km inside indian air space can scan,track as far as hindukush mountain ranges & will alert all indian offensive & defensive assets simontainousli which in return will alert indian navy, indian air force and CBGs which will do the needfull to stop and blunt your attck well before they could even reach in a striking postion

as for satnd off wepons do you have any idea what stand off wepons we have

please il ask you my intellegent sir google it and do some research

the main thing is indian navy will never send CBG for blocking your sea lanes as i told before its not worth risking CBG to do naval blockade of a country like pakistan

as for your super dupar F 16s well bhai that will be your biggest tactical mistake if ever you send them to do naval job as thanks to friends like israelies & singaporeans we now have quite a bit of inside knowledge of your primarry platform

you donthave to worry onli carrier based Mig29Ks as all your air bases are not more than 150 kilometers from the indo pak border and there we have at least
100 MKIs +60 each of upgraded MIG 29s & M2Ks + 150 MIG 21 Bisons(all carry BVRs)
backed by 150 jags for strike role

lolzzz even USA dosent uses F16s for naval jobs...you will need something like F18 or typhoon to do that job deu to range

so bhai ji thing is CBGs are not for naval blockade job tell me how will you attack us when nor do you have numbers niether the quwality

but then good luck cause you will need it more than us

man why you are taking pains and writing so much for him,we should answer him in his own language....

 

[HariPrasad]

well bhai thing is qwality and numbers and on those two parameters alone you are in no pstion to challenege india your onli hope is ...iff...iff i mean chinese come to your rescue but the thing is chinese will go to war onli when they want to they will never go to war to save pakistan cause if they do that it gives USA, Japan, S korea , Vietnam & Taiwan to fully and openli support india cause "an enemy of your enemy is your friend" but the thing is we are already going great guns and dont need anybodies help but in wartime that shal be apreciated and will not be forgotten but tell me which ummah nation will come to your rescue 'iff' ever theres a indo - pak war

now as for your AWACS well buddy i think you have no idea about them go and ask any PAF official and he will tell you why sending land based AWACS to open seas is a bad tactical move ..... well the thing is AWACS needs at least 2-4 Fighter aircrafts to escort it even if its in your own air space while CBGs ...read Indian CBGs have there own multiple heli based AWACs (K31 helix) now go and google it even USN uses E2D on its super carriers ever wondered why

as for there range wll by the thing is india already has Novotar K-100 very long range BVR missiles and each Mig 29K will carry at least one apart from 2 WVRs & 2 BVRs

one more thing pakistan is next door to india and during war time owr multiple & multi band PESA/ASEA/2D-3D-4D land based and aerostat radars will be scanning , tracking and annaylising all your movements cause most of them have 400 Km+ range which again will be backed by 5 phalcon AWACS + equal Number(if not more) of Indian made AWACS all of whome while remaining at least 50 Km inside indian air space can scan,track as far as hindukush mountain ranges & will alert all indian offensive & defensive assets simontainousli which in return will alert indian navy, indian air force and CBGs which will do the needfull to stop and blunt your attck well before they could even reach in a striking postion

as for satnd off wepons do you have any idea what stand off wepons we have

please il ask you my intellegent sir google it and do some research

the main thing is indian navy will never send CBG for blocking your sea lanes as i told before its not worth risking CBG to do naval blockade of a country like pakistan

as for your super dupar F 16s well bhai that will be your biggest tactical mistake if ever you send them to do naval job as thanks to friends like israelies & singaporeans we now have quite a bit of inside knowledge of your primarry platform

you donthave to worry onli carrier based Mig29Ks as all your air bases are not more than 150 kilometers from the indo pak border and there we have at least
100 MKIs +60 each of upgraded MIG 29s & M2Ks + 150 MIG 21 Bisons(all carry BVRs)
backed by 150 jags for strike role

lolzzz even USA dosent uses F16s for naval jobs...you will need something like F18 or typhoon to do that job deu to range

so bhai ji thing is CBGs are not for naval blockade job tell me how will you attack us when nor do you have numbers niether the quwality

but then good luck cause you will need it more than us

Excellent analysis.

 

[trident2010]

As said many times ACC is not needed for pakistan but if needed, is a nightmare for the PN.

 

[Basel]

That is my opinion. I see you are agree on that.
Forget about Nuclear Sub with western standard. Even china do not have it. Only we have that sub (Nepra). At the most Pakistan can get a nuke sub of dated (Even by chinese standard) technology.

You are totally outdated about Pakistan military capacity, from start PN had two option one western and other Chinese to develop nuclear sub and the approach PN have taken to develop is bit different and an American and western country is on board as per local news with China as backup, and to my knowledge PN already has capacity to launch land attack cruise missiles from its subsurface fleet, so PN already has limited nuke strike capacity. In case of emergency PN can put TELs of BMs & CMs on domestic commercial ships and launch them from open sea too.

In the end you can think whatever you want but it will not change reality of what we have to defend our interests, it will be good for us if you under estimate us.

 

[Basel]

Tell me how would you counter Brahmos?

Pakistan is in process of developing net centric warfare capability in which all services will share their resources, data and targets and by doing that Pakistan will increase its current fighting capacity by many folds.

Its true that brahmos is potent system and threat, but its not impossible to shoot it down and Pakistan will not be able to shoot down all in coming missiles and same goes for India. Pakistani military establishment dont see a single system as threat but they look how all Indian systems combined create threat for the nation and then they devise strategy to cope them, and to stop brahmos integrated air defense will work against it which will share its resources, information and even targets and when this will happen many systems will act to stop incoming threat not just one.

 

[Alpha1]

so PN already has limited nuke strike capacity.

Are you talking about Babur launched from Agosta90b?

In case of emergency can put TELs of BMs & CMs on domestic commercial ships and launch them from open sea too.

In the end you can think whatever you want but it will not change reality of what we have to defend our interests, it will be good for us if you under estimate us.

sounds to far fetched. commercial ships will be sitting ducks and there will be a huge probability of loosing considerable part of our deterence
and commercial ship are not designed to support ; carry TELS and launch BMs

 

[Basel]

sounds to far fetched. commercial ships will be sitting ducks and there will be a huge probability of loosing considerable part of our deterence
and commercial ship are not designed to support ; carry TELS and launch BMs

Not far fetched, PN was ready to do it in hostilities if things go worse, and long range systems will be used to make sure launching ships remain safe and they will not be huge ships so it will be easier for them to shoot n scoot but still it will a daredevil mission which Pakistanis are not afraid to take if necessary.

Do you know PN was the first navy in region to initiate unmanned stealthy missile craft to launch BMs & CMs back in late 90s and boyz of NED University were behind it.

Are you talking about Babur launched from Agosta90b?

I don't know the system but during discussion with a friend who have many family members in PN told me that we have this capacity, he don't give details but said we can defend our self don't worry.

 

[Alpha1]

Not far fetched, PN was ready to do it in hostilities if things go worse, and long range systems will be used to make sure launching ships remain safe and they will not be huge ships so it will be easier for them to shoot n scoot but still it will a daredevil mission which Pakistanis are not afraid to take if necessary.

Do you know PN was the first navy in region to initiate unmanned stealthy missile craft to launch BMs & CMs back in late 90s and boyz of NED University were behind it.

Incase of a conflict with India I hope we are lucky enough to stop india from enforcing a blockade IMO such ''ships'' will be of limited use and very vunreable. our ships will not be able to venture out far from the coast in either case.let alone escort an improvised BM TEL carrying cargo ships to a distance where our BMs can reach more targets than the BMs on land.
I won't count on them.

 

[Basel]

Incase of a conflict with India I hope we are lucky enough to stop india from enforcing a blockade IMO such ''ships'' will be of limited use and very vunreable. our ships will not be able to venture out far from the coast in either case.let alone escort an improvised BM TEL carrying cargo ships to a distance where our BMs can reach more targets than the BMs on land.
I won't count on them.

What is hurting Pakistani military capacity is its economy, if it kicked starts then all three services have plans in place to implement which will take them to 21st century fighting force capability, we have made our own data link system which allow us to make communicate between NATO & non NATO systems and if you know Pakistani military capacity you will understand how much this capacity will increase their fighting and survival capacity.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Incase of a conflict with India I hope we are lucky enough to stop india from enforcing a blockade IMO such ''ships'' will be of limited use and very vunreable. our ships will not be able to venture out far from the coast in either case.let alone escort an improvised BM TEL carrying cargo ships to a distance where our BMs can reach more targets than the BMs on land.
I won't count on them.

I do not wish to comment on your post; except for the underlined part.
A BM TEL on a Merchant Ship is/will be a sitting duck. Regardless of what fleet you have. In the Sea a slow-moving ship cannot hide and can be obliterated once identified and tracked. Which again is easy to do.
At Sea, the only platform for a BM that is viable is a Sub.
Otherwise keep the TELS on land; they will be far more mobile and concealable.

 

[MilSpec]

Incase of a conflict with India I hope we are lucky enough to stop india from enforcing a blockade IMO such ''ships'' will be of limited use and very vunreable. our ships will not be able to venture out far from the coast in either case.let alone escort an improvised BM TEL carrying cargo ships to a distance where our BMs can reach more targets than the BMs on land.
I won't count on them.

I think I had foreseen Nasr on boat before as a checkmate argument, albeit somewhat diluted without the jingoism... this comes pretty close....

 

[HariPrasad]

Pakistan is in process of developing net centric warfare capability in which all services will share their resources, data and targets and by doing that Pakistan will increase its current fighting capacity by many folds.

Its true that brahmos is potent system and threat, but its not impossible to shoot it down and Pakistan will not be able to shoot down all in coming missiles and same goes for India. Pakistani military establishment dont see a single system as threat but they look how all Indian systems combined create threat for the nation and then they devise strategy to cope them, and to stop brahmos integrated air defense will work against it which will share its resources, information and even targets and when this will happen many systems will act to stop incoming threat not just one.

You are right. Brahmos is a potent system and Pakistan or China has nothing to shoot it down. Perhaps US or Russia can shoot it but no other country. We have so many other things to shootdown pakistani surface ships except Brahmos. All other naval assets (Except Ships) can easily be targeted by other missiles such as Prahar, Prithvi and agni, and K series.