Type 075 Landing Helicopter Dock (LHD) News & Discussions

[Deino]

Info is good will give you source.

Yes please but honestly, how likely is that they will launch this ship, complete all tests and hand it over to the PLAN in less than 20 months??

Just compare with the Type 002 carrier and even this with the Liaoning of a similar class already known:

Launch 04.2017 - first cruise 04.2018 - hand over to PLAN? ... at least not yet in 04.2019

Similar with the Type 055 DDG, which was launched in June 2017 and is still in trails (ok. maybe just handed over in 04.2019)

So, IMO it is completely unlikely that this could be done until the end of 2020.

 

[BHarwana]

Yes please but honestly, how likely is that they will launch this ship, complete all tests and hand it over to the PLAN in less than 20 months??

Just compare with the Type 002 carrier and even this with the Liaoning of a similar class already known:

Launch 04.2017 - first cruise 04.2018 - hand over to PLAN? ... at least not yet in 04.2019

Similar with the Type 055 DDG, which was launched in June 2017 and is still in trails (ok. maybe just handed over in 04.2019)

So, IMO it is completely unlikely that this could be done until the end of 2020.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1115121944137957376

 

[Deino]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1115121944137957376

Thanks, but I must admit I don't rate her as very much reliable.

 

[BHarwana]

Thanks, but I must admit I don't rate her as very much reliable.

She is quite reliable but she is pointing to state media and she only forwards released news. China is a big country and there is large possibility that they could have done the work without anyone noticing. China was putting great focus on their helicopter manufacturing so there must be a reason for it and amphibious is something China needs more than anything else because in case of Taiwan Amphibious will be most important to mobilize. Just a thought. The news makes logic with Chinese defense needs.

 

[lcloo]

If 075 is launched this month, it would take at least 12 months for out-fitting, and another 12 months for sea trials. This means the commissioning of the ship would be in April 2021.

However, this 2 X 12 months time frame is an optimistic suggestion because being the first of its kind, the lead ship almost certainly would need more time than for subsequent ships of the class. A more realistic time of commissioning is 30 to 36 moths after the launch date, which would be end of 2021 or early 2022.

Type 075 will be almost as complicated as an aircraft carrier, and Hudong Zhonghua does not have experience as yet until they have done all that is on the lead ship. It is a universal law that it is always the hardest for doing it the first time.

 

[Deino]

If 075 is launched this month, it would take at least 12 months for out-fitting, and another 12 months for sea trials. This means the commissioning of the ship would be in April 2021.

However, this 2 X 12 months time frame is an optimistic suggestion because being the first of its kind, the lead ship almost certainly would need more time than for subsequent ships of the class. A more realistic time of commissioning is 30 to 36 moths after the launch date, which would be end of 2021 or early 2022.

Type 075 will be almost as complicated as an aircraft carrier, and Hudong Zhonghua does not have experience as yet until they have done all that is on the lead ship. It is a universal law that it is always the hardest for doing it the first time.

Exactly my estimations...

 

[samsara]

As always... Better do it right than do it fast! So precise time of readiness is not quite an issue here. Just have patience and keep on watching, thing will be clear in duly time. It is unlike China is in war time so must rush these stuffs even sacrifice the quality.

And about the Island of Taiwan, it will remain there, it won't go anywhere! No one can carry it away.

Even a decisive action deferred in matter of decades, if judged as necessary, it's just fine. No need to rush and be unwise.

As time goes by, China can only grow stronger and stronger. A new solution unseeable today may just be feasible in time. The Middle Kingdom can bid her time with enough patience! And I have my full vote of confidence.

 

[waja2000]

If 075 is launched this month, it would take at least 12 months for out-fitting, and another 12 months for sea trials. This means the commissioning of the ship would be in April 2021.
However, this 2 X 12 months time frame is an optimistic suggestion because being the first of its kind, the lead ship almost certainly would need more time than for subsequent ships of the class. A more realistic time of commissioning is 30 to 36 moths after the launch date, which would be end of 2021 or early 2022.
Type 075 will be almost as complicated as an aircraft carrier, and Hudong Zhonghua does not have experience as yet until they have done all that is on the lead ship. It is a universal law that it is always the hardest for doing it the first time.

I don't see china need 12 month for see trails even for first ship and it much low tech compare to Aircraft Carrier.
30-36 more unlikely to happen unless somethink defect found. LPH not really an high tech even compare to 055. with just minimum defense weapon on board, out-fitting and sea trials is short of time can complete.

 

[lcloo]

I don't see china need 12 month for see trails even for first ship and it much low tech compare to Aircraft Carrier.
30-36 more unlikely to happen unless somethink defect found. LPH not really an high tech even compare to 055. with just minimum defense weapon on board, out-fitting and sea trials is short of time can complete.

We shall see if the builders take less than 24 months or longer to deliver type 075.

Using lead ship of type 055 is a little off. Lead ship of type 055 has a shorter than expected time to complete her sea trial, probable it was scheduled (during its planning stage) to meet the 70th PLAN navy parade. Which meant it was "rushed" on purpose to meet a specific requirement. Also having delivered more than 10 type 052D, the ship builders, especially JNCX has accumulated vast experience on building DDGs, thus they were able to speed up the work.

LHD or LHA no doubt is less complicated than an aircraft carrier, but they are far more complicated than type 071 LPD, and no less complicated than type 055 despite carried less weapons. At about twice the displacement ( about 40,000 tons) of type 055 DDG, it needs larger power plant , maintenance workshop for helicopters, avionics and engines, aviation fuel tanks pipes and pumps, weapon stores and elevators, aircraft hangars and elevators etc.

LHD/LHA acts as air base for transport and attack helicopters and/or a dock for hovercraft, amphibious vehicles as well as fleet command base for directing a landing operation.

For reference, the vastly experienced American shipyard needed more than 24 months for their lead ships in Tarawa and America class. They are able to cut down the delivery time after gaining experience from construction of the lead ships. The Chinese shipyard has zero experience on LHD/LHA type of ships. (the 20,000 tone type 071 is in different category).

Note that USS Saipan took 39 months from launch to commission.

 

[Deino]

I don't see china need 12 month for see trails even for first ship and it much low tech compare to Aircraft Carrier.
30-36 more unlikely to happen unless somethink defect found. LPH not really an high tech even compare to 055. with just minimum defense weapon on board, out-fitting and sea trials is short of time can complete.

but please explain WHY? Given all other comparable ships being in China or in other more experienced navies take much longer than your "I think 12 months might be possible" timeframe, how should or could CHina do this?

 

[aziqbal]

Why go back so far

Turkey laid the keel for their LHD in feb 2018 and last month it was ready for launch

That’s 13 months and that was turkeys first attempt

 

[Deino]

Why go back so far

Turkey laid the keel for their LHD in feb 2018 and last month it was ready for launch

That’s 13 months and that was turkeys first attempt

The difference is he mentioned from launch to service entry 12 months ....

 

[aziqbal]

The difference is he mentioned from launch to service entry 12 months ....

Ah that is another question

 

[waja2000]

We shall see if the builders take less than 24 months or longer to deliver type 075.
Note that USS Saipan took 39 months from launch to commission.
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i believe will be around 24 month from launch to commission, is unlikely over 30 month.
And those China shipbuilding is not compare by US shipbuilder, also US LHA is more complex than china LPH.

 

[lcloo]

From "大猫和他的小伙伴们“:-

Type 075 is around 31,000 tons. And its hangar is able to accommodate helicopters only.

Its subsequent variant Type 075A has much larger displacement. The hangar is able to take in various types of aircraft (presumably it meant rotor wing and fixed wing).

(As for what type of fixed wing aircraft, nobody knows. You may guess it as a STOVL or VTOL, time will tell).

The design of this variant is said have been completed.

Last point - priority is given to complete construction of additional contract for type 071 LP D over that of type 075, that is why the appearance of type 075 hull is late.

*** This is a info not confirmed by PLAN nor the shipyard (they never confirm anything until you see the leaked photo ) ***