Turkish Minister of National Defense Yaşar Güler: We are considering purchasing 40 Eurofighter Typhoons

[LegionnairE]

Agreed. Turkey also has some strong Russian equipment, which Pakistan does not have at all.

We could sell them to you if you like. We've been trying to get rid of S-400

 

[MMM-E]

These things have never been tested in war. But you like to talk because talk is cheap. Nobody on this forum who knows anything takes you seriously. And Turkey doesn't have enough Korkuts to protect every strategic location. Have you ever been to an air base? Have you any idea about the size of an air base?

Learn about military before babbling

1 -- Greece doesnt have capability to attack every strategic location in Turkiye
only 90 SCALP Missiles .. nothing else

2 -- 250 km SCALP Missile can not reach to every strategic location in Turkiye

and Greee can't win a war by hitting a few places.
if Greece fire 90 missiles then Turkiye can fire 900 missiles
and all military-strategic targets are in range of Turkish fire power in Greece and Greek Islands


3 -- Turkiye increased its defense budget from $18 billion to $40 billion
that means Turkiye produce more weapons including AD Systems

we dont need anyone for AD Systems
Our integrated Air Defense Umbrella is completed

KORKUT in service
SUNGUR in service
HISAR-A in service
HISAR-O in service
SIPER enter service as of february 2024

only GUMS Ballistic Missile Defense System by 2028


btw not only 4km KORKUT ,, but also 15-25 km HISAR to protect Air Bases

1 battery = 3 KORKUT SPAAGs for point defence

HISAR-A/O for point and local area defence

 

[mulj]

We can't rely on that, we can't know who's going to hit which airbase first, we have to beat every foe in the air and right now TURAF inventory is not enough for this. We're behind even Greece. This Eurofighter purchase is very important.

Getting kicked out of F35 program really hurt Turkey no matter what these braindead demagogues say.

then be patient untill your aircraft programs mature and seel stop gap measures from china as you will not get any fighters from europe in distant future.

 

[LegionnairE]

2 -- 250 km SCALP Missile can not reach to every strategic location in Turkiye

Doesn't have to.

If you have to retreat all your squadrons to Diyarbakır, you're already fucked. We don't have F-35, we don't have F-15, only 30 Block50+ F-16s have the CFT, that has decent range.

then be patient untill your aircraft programs mature and seel stop gap measures from china as you will not get any fighters from europe in distant future.

Altay Tank was supposed to enter service in 2016, It's almost 2024 and we still don't have it.


To sit and wait is a big risk.

 

[PakistaniandProud]

We could sell them to you if you like. We've been trying to get rid of S-400

I want Pakistan to work on some sort of domestic defense system, I know it is not an easy task, but it is possible.

India launched a fake missile and the US & India entered Pakistan and caught us off guard before.

The Russians won’t allow us to have S400s, they’ve had an embargo on us since the Soviet-Afghan fallout, where we shot down many Soviet jets.

 

[LegionnairE]

I want Pakistan to work on some sort of domestic defense system, I know it is not an easy task, but it is possible.

India launched a fake missile and the US & India entered Pakistan and caught us off guard before.

The Russians won’t allow us to have S400s, they’ve had an embargo on us since the Soviet-Afghan fallout, where we shot down many Soviet jets.

Domestic solutions are ideal in the long term but I don't think Pakistan has enough money to spend on R&D

 

[MMM-E]

You don't know what's your talking about S400 is basically short range ballistic missiles defense system with a limited jets and AWACS killing capability patriot has the capability to intercept AWACS

Stop trolling .....

PATRIOT has max range of 160 km
and PATRIOT doesnt have even long range Radar


S400 has 4 Missiles with range of 40 , 120 , 250 and 380-400

Turkiye bought 240km 48N6E3 and 380km 40N6E Missiles
with 600 km BIG BIRD Radar

380km 40N6E Missile has AWACS killer capability

So same goes to Turkish cruise missiles they intercept by aa guns and land based CIWCS

Yes but

Greece has only 90 SCALP Missiles
Turkiye has 1.000+ Ballistic Missiles , guided MLRS , Cruise Missiles and long range guided munition....also soon long range Kamikaze Drones

if needed , Turkiye can produce more 1.000 of them

 

[MMM-E]

Doesn't have to.

If you have to retreat all your squadrons to Diyarbakır, you're already fucked. We don't have F-35, we don't have F-15, only 30 Block50+ F-16s have the CFT, that has decent range.

Why to Diyarbakır ?

Air Bases in Balıkesir , Bandırma , Eskisehir at risk

but 250 km SCALP can not reach to Konya , Ankara , Kayseri , Amasya , Malatya

and TURAF has 7 Boeing KC-135 for airrefueling for whole F-16 fleet

 

[LegionnairE]

Why to Diyarbakır ?

250 km SCALP can not reach to Konya , Ankara , Kayseri , Amasya , Malatya

and TURAF has 7 Boeing KC-135 for airrefueling for whole F-16 fleet

Depending on the launch parameters it could be more.
And they have more than 90

 

[KAL-EL]

It's stupid no matter who does it.


LOL you think they give a ****


France will directly attack Turkey.
The most rabid anti Turkic country on earth is France. They hate us much more than Greeks.

Why is there so much animosity between France and Turkey? I'm asking as a complete outsider to the region

 

[LegionnairE]

Why is there so much animosity between France and Turkey? I'm asking as a complete outsider to the region

There's a long long history of anti Turkism going back to enlightenment, but most recently the influence of Armenian diaspora in France have steered politics against us.

Even Bernard Lewis got fined in France for speaking against Armenian genocide allegations.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Stop trolling .....

PATRIOT has max range of 160 km
and PATRIOT doesnt have even long range Radar


S400 has 4 Missiles with range of 40 , 120 , 250 and 380-400

Turkiye bought 240km 48N6E3 and 380km 40N6E Missiles
with 600 km BIG BIRD Radar

380km 40N6E Missile has AWACS killer capability

Lol within 100 km patriot have the capability to intercept AWACS it has a big RCS and pac 3 AESA range is well above 200km to 250 km

Big bird radar is only for big RCS targets like ballistic missiles and have much less range to detect Fighter Jets

And no that missiles has no capability to intercept slow moving targets like AWACS but to intercept ballistic missiles (supersonic/hypersonic warheads)

 

[CivilianSupremacy]

And China have its terms and conditions as well. China might not allow J-10CE in NATO drills. Turkey will have to operate these aircraft separately much like S-400 systems.

Nothing is static in geo-politics. I see even US & China warming up ties to some extent. Chinese President and Biden were all smiling and having fun the other day. I think J-10Cs will go much easier for Turkey than the S-400 issue. First its China and not Russia, West / NATO is primarily against Russia and not at China. Infact many european countries are eager to have great relations with China.

Secondly, china wouldn't worry much J-10Cs flying along NATO planes. JF-17s, Which are primarily chinese tech has flown several times in intl exercises, For China its more important to gain influence and gain more market. I don't think China would put conditions like that. and again its not their most high end aircraft, China is not selling anybody its J-20. The J-10C is like China's F-16, It want more market for it that's why J-10Cs participates regularly in intl airshows.

S-400 was a completely different issue at different scale. The NATO was designed at first place to counter Soviets (Russians), A NATO country buying a russian hi-tech military equipment was a symbolic blow to NATO itself. Secondly, if Turkey would have acquired F-35s, the S-400 Radars would have picked its signatures. F-35 is the most expensive military programs ever. F-35 is a stealth aircraft made for several partners. The americans wouldn't risk their primary fighter to be compromised in any way and keep its stealth profile as it is. There's nothing of that magnitude if Turkey to buy fighter jets from China. If Turkey is denied the F-16 block-70s and the Euro-Fighters then I see every possibility of Turkey going for J-10Cs or any other capable non-western jet. Turkey has all the rights to look for its own defense needs.

But J-10C is just not compatible with our systems,

So, does that mean Turkey will keep using a specific systems for eternity ? Ofcourse, countries keep adding multiple technologies and adapt. There are countries which have French, American, Russian, all sort of different vendors and even they were able to integrate all. Turkey would have to deal with 2 different types, it isn't a big deal at all.

 

[LegionnairE]

So, does that mean Turkey will keep using a specific systems for eternity ? Ofcourse, countries keep adding multiple technologies and adapt. There are countries which have French, American, Russian, all sort of different vendors and even they were able to integrate all. Turkey would have to deal with 2 different types, it isn't a big deal at all.

In theory we could replace the avionics with Turkish ones, we could set up infrastructure to build chinese engines and replacement parts etc. but J-10 simply isn't worth it.

if it can't mount a Turkish radar, if it can't launch a Turkish missile, if it can't have datalink connection with other Turkish fighters and E7, it's useless..


Even if China came to our door and offered J-10C for free, it would be no use.

 

[Hold the door]

In theory we could replace the avionics with Turkish ones, we could set up infrastructure to build chinese engines and replacement parts etc. but J-10 simply isn't worth it.

if it can't mount a Turkish radar, if it can't launch a Turkish missile, if it can't have datalink connection with other Turkish fighters and E7, it's useless..


Even if China came to our door and offered J-10C for free, it would be no use.

Russian and Chinese products dont suit us. They don't understand this.

We have been GE's largest subcontractor for 50 years. We learned a lot from them. If we move on to China and Russia now, what we have learned will be garbage.