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I love bad faith. You're both geniuses…
Quote 1 (With google translate and me):
(Défense anti-missiles : pourquoi MBDA et Thales peuvent espérer en Turquie)
Missile defense: why MBDA and Thales can expect in Turkey
Industrial MBDA and Thales on a war footing to supplant the Chinese in air defense in Turkey
28/02/2014
Michel Cabirol, Ankara - La Tribune
Despite choosing a Chinese industrial to provide air defense system long range to Turkey, the two French manufacturers MBDA and Thales can still hope to be called by the Turkish Ministry of Defence to replace CPMIEC.
France has done the job in Turkey. And rather well, although industrial - the MBDA and Thales radar operator in the GIE Eurosam - are not yet at the forefront in negotiating an order contract of 3 to 4 billion dollars - by the competing groups - on an air defense system of long range (Air Defence). However, during the Franco-Turkish armament seminar Thursday in Ankara, T-Loramids program currently still promised to the Chinese, was well in the minds of the French delegation.
A delegation very, very cautious in all official statements to avoid offending the Turks ultimately themselves very bothered by their initial choice. "We respect the choice that was made," said the CEO of MBDA, Antoine Bouvier, this Thursday in Ankara. "We clarify and improve our offer in respect of the negotiation with the SSM (Turkish Secretary of State for Defence Industries, Editor's note)," he clarified, however, at a press conference organized by GIFAS.
How to get out heads high?
"In Turkey, everyone came to the conclusion that we must stop negotiating with the Chinese but no one yet knows how to do. This is the question today," one expert dossier. A coaster officially opened recently manner. "There are some points of risk (in discussions with the Chinese) but for now it is not at the level to bring us big blockages", had said on February 17 Secretary of State for Turkish Defence Industries (SSM), Murad Bayar, in an interview with
"Hürriyet" newspaper.
It must also preserve Bayar soldier finding a solution, asking for heads high this Micmac. Where a call from the foot to Beijing, one of the main partners of Turkish industry, which would come to the rescue of the Turkish Ministry of Defence, according to several sources. To be continued.
Eurosam in ambush
Asked if the Turkish authorities were not "fully convinced" Capacity of this armament, Murad Bayar replied: "We can actually tell if we see that the project can not continue with China then we will consider the second. offer ", namely that made by the French-Italian company Eurosam. Both industrial traffic, which arrived in US, offer the SAMP/T Aster 30 missiles armed with (MBDA) and equipped with radar Arabel and/or GM400 (Thales). To date, there are no formal negotiations between Turkey and Eurosam since CPMIEC (China Precision Machinery Import-Export Corp.) is always the first choice of Turks ( "prefer bidder").
But Ankara has left an outcome in case negotiations with the Chinese fail, demanding the end of January the French and Americans to extend their offer of three months until the end of April - a second and final report. Which in itself is usual in this kind of tender. "This was part of the agreement between the Turks and the groups selected for the tender, it's automatic," Does it confirms
"La Tribune".
Improved supply of MBDA and Thales
So, in mid-February both groups - MBDA and Thales - have refined their offer especially at the price (down) and industrial counterparties (upward) for Turkish groups, including Roketsan (Turkish MBDA) and Aselsan (Turkish Thales) and a fabric of local subcontractors. MBDA and Thales were when the choice made by dearest SSM approximately one billion dollars against a Chinese offer very (too?) Competitive. In addition, the SSM is considered a very formidable negotiator and who is feared by most international arms groups. "It's easy with them at the end of trading you do not have margins," quips an industrialist.
Turkey can she finally break the tender? Some estimate the potential threat. Others, however, noted that Ankara is in urgent need of this air defense system that will be installed near the Syrian border. In the end, this is indeed the Turkish Prime Minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who has the last word despite its current political woes. It is he and he alone who wanted a strategic partnership with China.
Belly dance from France
Besides the seminar Franco-Turkish arms in Ankara, a delegation of sixty French companies members of GIFAS (French industrialists of aeronautics and space) came three days in Turkey (Istanbul, Ankara, Izmir and Eskisehir) to seek cooperation with Turkish companies in the field of aeronautics and space. "France and Turkey share the same ambition to develop and support the long term their national defense industry" which "produces its own military equipment," explained the Delegate General for Armaments (DGA), Laurent Collet-Billon at the Franco-Turkish seminar. And propose "a new stage in relations" between Paris and Ankara on the basis of "win-win".
"It makes sense that the French and Turkish industrialists meet and study the opportunities to cooperate in exporting or equip their own armed forces," he said. Especially as the president of GIFAS, Marwan Lahoud, said that Turkey and Turkish industry are very mature today for high-level cooperation and develop their own aviation industry. "The country has a fairly intense industrial activity and aims to become a great aviation power," he confirmed. So French industrialists are ready to give a "new impetus" to the Franco-Turkish cooperation, said Marwan Lahoud.
Franco-Turkish cooperation always thank you to the Armenian question, a red rag to Ankara and the Turkish streets.
Why CPMIEC was selected
To everyone's surprise, the Chinese group CPMIEC (China Precision Machinery Import-Export Corp.) won last September the international tender launched by Turkey to acquire an air defense system. The Undersecretariat for the Defense Industry (SSM) had indicated that it had "decided to start talks with CPMIEC company for the joint production systems and their missiles in Turkey on the negotiated price," according a statement.
Why the Turks had they selected the Chinese? Because they were - by far - the best bidders with an offer of $ 3 billion and had industrial cooperation also very competitive relative to US competitors (Lockheed Martin/Raytheon) and European (Eurosam). But also in favor of rapprochement with China and wanted assumed by the Turkish Prime Minister, said a good observer of Turkish politics.
Americans do not want a Chinese system also strategic in the heart of the Atlantic alliance. Turkey needs to plug its future missile defense architecture with NATO systems, some very sensitive data for identification of friend or foe ( "Identify Friend and Foe system"). Ultra-secret data and that can not be of course installed on a Chinese system.
Source : La Tribune section defense ( Link )
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Quote 2 (With google translate and me) :
(MBDA et Thales : le missile Aster 30 sur une bonne trajectoire en France et en Turquie)
MBDA and Thales: the Aster missile 30 on a good trajectory in France and Turkey
19/11/2015
Michel Cabirol
Good news for MBDA/Thales for the duo Aster 30. France will launch the program of modernization of the defense system Aster 30 Block 1 NT and Turkey discuss with France to provide anti-aircraft defense system.
This is very good news for MBDA (missile) and Thales (radar operator), who were waiting since 2012. ... During a Ministerial Investment Committee (CMI), which was held on Wednesday, the ministry Defense made the decision, according to several sources, launch the Franco-Italian program of development of the Aster 30 Block 1, the Aster 30 Block 1 NT (New Technology). Is a national control the order of 400 million euros to be shared equally between the missile and the electronics within the consortium Eurosam (50-50 between MBDA and Thales).
In principle, Italy, awaiting a French decision, should also pass on his side an order of about 400 million euros to the two manufacturers. The Italian Ministry of Defense has included in its budget appropriations to launch the program. For France and Italy, everyone has understood the need to revive the Franco-Italian cooperation process in the field of armaments.
An effort on prices
Industrialists have made an effort on prices to reach an agreement at the Ministry of Defence, says one in
La Tribune ..
This program provides treatment obsolescence of ammunition combined with improved performances against theater ballistic missiles . In addition, industrial adapt the overall system, to be able to shoot the missiles of the two generations.
The new missile will have a self-director benefiting from the technology become mature Ka-band that will bring growth potential for performance against ballistic targets up over 1,500 km range, without regression performance against conventional targets .
Good news also for Turkey
MBDA and Thales also had good news for Turkey, which officially broken last week negotiations T-Loramids program with the Chinese group China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corp. (CPMIEC) for the provision of an air defense system ($ 3.4 billion). Ankara, which is part of NATO, was in exclusive talks since 2013 with CPMIEC. Which provoked an outcry, the US in particular.
In Turkey, the Eurosam consortium that offers the SAMP/T system, is in discussions with Ankara, according to our information, on an order from an air defense system of long range (Air Defence) accompanied by technology transfer (3 to 4 billion of Euro's) as part of a new program (MSAM). Turkey wants to launch its own air defense program.
Source : La Tribune section defense ( Link )
Maintenant lisez (si vous savez lire imbé…). Vous verrez ça sera beaucoup plus facile avec des neurones.
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