TURKEY break dependence on Foreign Military Technology ( all projects with details )

[LeGenD]

KALE KTJ-3200

Safran TR40 (French turbojet engine).

KALE KTJ-3200 will replace Safran TR40 in all SOM variants though.

Now how Turkey learned to develop an engine? Knowhow of developing engines came from somewhere, right? This knowhow came from decades of sourcing engines from other members of NATO for use in various defense applications of Turkey. Or Turkey re-invented the wheel in this case? YOU learn the craft from somebody.

I hope my POV is clear to all now.

Tremendous achievement by the way. Credit where due.

Which engine is in use in RAAD missile?

WE learned a lot from Tomahawks in our hands.

 

[xbat]

WE learned a lot from Tomahawks in our hands.

Come on! it must be chineese

 

[Beny Karachun]

Let's assume you're not a hasbara troll. Calculate to me, how many unguided missiles Iran would have had to fire to hit even one building like such:

Lets forget the rest of the pin point strikes:

Yes, they fell on these exact buildings "by chance"

@Cthulhu @skyshadow

For the record, these buildings were targeted because they were involved in housing the systems that were used in Soleimani's assassinations.

Anyway lets read:


Iran’s attack on Iraq shows how precise missiles have become
It scored a series of bullseyes





https://www.economist.com/science-a...n-iraq-shows-how-precise-missiles-have-become

Pin point strikes on what exactly? There's only one building hit, the other two are just random locations of no importance.

if that's your military opinion then there is no hope for you, you are saying everything is a chaos no matter how well planned they maybe.

I'm pretty sure the plan was to kill someone, and they clearly failed.

 

[Philosopher]

Pin point strikes on what exactly? There's only one building hit, the other two are just random locations of no importance.

So you're pretending not to read, given how I had clearly explained what those targets were. Anyway, your useless trolling is quite apparent. Try harder next time.

I'm pretty sure the plan was to kill someone, and they clearly failed.

And that's why they warned them hours before hand

 

[MMM-E]

Safran TR40 (French turbojet engine).

KALE KTJ-3200 will replace Safran TR40 in all SOM variants though.

Now how Turkey learned to develop an engine? Knowhow of developing engines came from somewhere, right? This knowhow came from decades of sourcing engines from other members of NATO for use in various defense applications of Turkey. Or Turkey re-invented the wheel in this case? YOU learn the craft from somebody.

I hope my POV is clear to all now.

how France learned to develop TR-40 engine?


then how Turkey learned to develop ANKA , AKSUNGUR and AKINCI UCAVs ?
then how Turkey learned to develop SOM, ATMACA , OMTAS , HISAR , BOZDOGAN , GOKDOGAN Missiles ?
then how Turkey learned to develop KORAL , REDET , MILKAR 3A3 , MUKAS , SOJ Electronic Warfare Systems ?
then how Turkey learned to develop CAFRAD , EIRS , KALKAN-II AESA Radars ?
then how Turkey learned to develo SAHI209 and TUFAN hypersonic Electromagnetic Rail Guns ?
then how Turkey learned to develop Single mode LASER which is only the US and Turkey in the World
then how Turkey learned to develop IIR and RF seekers ?
then how Turkey learned to develop JP-10 type missile Fuel which is only a few countries in the world ?
then how Turkey learned to develop long range (friend or foe) Identification System which is only 7 in thhe world ?
then how Turkey learned to develop Quantum well Infrared Photodetectors which is only 4 countries in the world ?
then how Turkey learned to develop Targeting and Jamming Pods which is only a few countries in the world ?
then how Turkey learned to develop ADA class Corvette , ISTIF class Frigate , TF-2000 class Destroyer ?

etc
etc
etc


Do you know what about KALE AEROSPACE which was established in 1969 who has developed KTJ-3200 Engine ?

Aselsan
Havelsan
Roketsan
Turkish Aerospace Industries
TUSAS Engine Industries
STM

and Defence Industries Research and Development Institute (TÜBITAK SAGE)

Turkey spend $75 billion to develop hundreds of military projects


Greece is also a NATO Country as like 29 Countries ..
but only the US , The UK , France and Turkey have developed hundreds of high tech military projects in NATO ..... Greece can not develop even anti Tank Missile

so Nobody gives critical technologies to another country .. without individual efforts you can not develop hundreds of high tech military projects


Turkey has developed Aircrafts in 1930s-1940s

1942 Istanbul Aircraft Factory

but traitor Politicans closed Aircraft and other Factories in Turkey

now We are coming back

even the US blocked sale of UCAV to Turkey but Turkey has developed its own UCAVs

Baykar AKINCI UCAV ........ only the US,Israel,Turkey and China in the World

Length : 12,3 m
Height : 4,1 m
Wingspan: 20 m
MTOW : 4.500 kg
Payload : 1350 kg
Service ceiling : 40.000 feet

-- SATCOM
-- Multirole AESA Radar ( air search , Synthetic Aperture , weather )
-- Electronic Data Gathering ( ELINT / COMINT )
-- MAM-L laser guided smart munition
-- GOKTUG Air to Air Missile
-- TEBER , KGK and HGK guided bombs
-- SOM Cruise Missile

 

[skyshadow]

Pin point strikes on what exactly? There's only one building hit, the other two are just random locations of no importance.


I'm pretty sure the plan was to kill someone, and they clearly failed.

what Iran did with its ballistic missiles is actually what Israel dose with its air force and guided bombs, which is to take out exact structures and destroy them the goal is to destroy not to kill, of course they could be some casualties too but that's not the point the point is to show the enemy that you are right we do not have air force that can do what your air force dose but we have BMs and drones and CMs that can do the same which is to take out bases or get them out of operational category for long period of time.


if you want my personal opinion i think IRGC has to kill US soldiers or a high ranking general if they do not do this then the enemy will think to do the same thing again.


but this is not the place to talk about Iran missiles you can come to Iranian missile thread


https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/iranian-missiles-news-and-discussions.227673/page-258

 

[Philosopher]

Few members in this thread have missed the point. It does not matter if the Turks imported technology in the past and indeed, if they import some here and there today. All nations have to start from somewhere and smart nations learn from the experience of others. What matters today is that Turkey is striving towards self sufficiency. That is what is important. They're willing to put in the hard work instead of just becoming an import state like many others in that region.

 

[dBSPL]

1. Why is this title in the MENA section?
2. Why are concepts such as resource diversity and supply dependency confused with each other?
3. Why is a "pissing contest" in this title?
3/a. What is the purpose of this type of listing? Because the list is full of deficiencies.
3/b. MMME, Why try to prove something by constantly opening new titles about these?
3/c. Topic is using for out of purpose , both by MMME who opened the topic and by the people he was fighting with.

 

[MMM-E]

TURKIYE become one of a few countries in the World that develop 100% indigenous Attack Helicopters after the US , Russia , France



Turkiye has developed TAI T-129 Attack Helicopter with Italy to replace American AH-1P Cobra and AH-1W Super Cobra

56 T-129 Attack Helicopters entered service between 2014 and 2019
Total of 83 + ( 35 optional ) T-129 Attack Helicopters will be in service

Turkiye will have the biggest Attack Helicopter fleet in the Middle East and Europe


1 ) TAI T-129

Max take of weight : 5 t
Max cruise speed : 281 km /h
Range : 537 km
Service ceiling : 6,096 m
Engine : 2 × LHTEC CTS800-4A ( each 1361 shp )

-- the state of the art EW systems and EO systems
-- Aselflir 300T targeting sight system
-- AVCI Helmet Mounted Display System

1 x 20mm turreted gun with a capacity of 500 rounds
76 x 70mm Classic Rockets
16 x CIRIT 70mm Laser Guided Air to Ground Missiles
8 x UMTAS Long Range Anti Tank Missiles
2 x STINGER Air to Air Missiles

2 ) TAI T-129 Phase-II ( T-129B2 )

on 13 November 2019 , T-129 Phase-II has conducted its first test flight, fitted with laser warning receivers and other electronic warfare systems and the first delivery is planned for mid-2020

21 T-129 Phase-II Attack Helicopters are planned to be delivered

3 ) TAI T-629 Attack Helicopter ... ( Max take of weight : 6 t )

The designs have been finalised and plan to carry out the first flight in 2020

T-629 based on the T129, but free of ITAR (International Traffic in Arms Regulations) components is plausible.
In this case, the T629 would utilize TEI TS1400 turboshaft Engine instead of the LHTEC CTS800-4A


T-629 will be almost 100% indigenous

TEI = TS-1400 ( 1500shp ) Turboshaft Engine
National Transmission and Rotor
ASELSAN = Avionics, Electronics , Mission Computer, FLIR , DIRCM, Electronic Warfare Systems
ALP AVIATION = Landing gears
METEKSAN = MILDAR fire control Radar
TRMEKATRONIK = three barrel 20mm gatling Gun
ROKETSAN = CIRIT 70mm laser guided rockets and MIZRAK anti Tank Missiles

TEI TS-1400 Turboshaft Engine to replace American LTECH CTS800-4A

4 ) TAI ATAK-2 Heavy Attack Helicopter ( Turkiye joins to big club / American AH-64E .. Russian KA-52 )

First flight : 2024
MTOW : 10 tons
Speed : 172 kts ( 318 km/h )
Service ceiling : 20.000 feet ( 6.096 m )
Operation envelope : between -40 / +50 C day and night
Engine : 2 x TEI TS-3000 ( each 3000 shp )

MILDAR Millimeter wave fire control Radar
HEHSIS 360 degree Electronic Warfare Counter Measure System
DIRCM Infrared Counter Measure System
Target Detection System
Helicopter Obstacle Detection System
Modular Avionics Architecture
4 axis Autopilot
HELMET Integrated Display System
Ballistic protection heavy armored Cockpit ( resistant to 12.7 mm ammunition )
1200 kg weapon payload capacity

-- 30 mm Gun with buried munition box
-- CIRIT 70 mm laser guided Rockets
-- MIZRAK Anti Tank Missiles ( up to 16 ATGMs )
-- Air to Air Missiles

TAI heavy class Attack Helicopter will be 100% indigenous including Turboshaft Engine

to be continued

 

[Beny Karachun]

what Iran did with its ballistic missiles is actually what Israel dose with its air force and guided bombs, which is to take out exact structures and destroy them the goal is to destroy not to kill, of course they could be some casualties too but that's not the point the point is to show the enemy that you are right we do not have air force that can do what your air force dose but we have BMs and drones and CMs that can do the same which is to take out bases or get them out of operational category for long period of time.


if you want my personal opinion i think IRGC has to kill US soldiers or a high ranking general if they do not do this then the enemy will think to do the same thing again.


but this is not the place to talk about Iran missiles you can come to Iranian missile thread


https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/iranian-missiles-news-and-discussions.227673/page-258

How did a helicopter maintanance garage was a part of the attack on Solemani? Besides, 2 bases were attacked, and a few sand dunes were also hit, was the extra base a part of the attack, or the sand dunes? Your attack was fruitless, and the base became opertational within a day, and it could still host operations even during the attack.

So you're pretending not to read, given how I had clearly explained what those targets were. Anyway, your useless trolling is quite apparent. Try harder next time.



And that's why they warned them hours before hand

Those targets were empty, served no real importance for the bases operations, and had nothing to do with the attack on Soleimani.

Don't give yourself credit for the American intelligence achievements. Why would you warn the Americans where you will strike?

 

[Philosopher]

Those targets were empty, served no real importance for the bases operations, and had nothing to do with the attack on Soleimani.

Don't give yourself credit for the American intelligence achievements. Why would you warn the Americans where you will strike?

These comments have already been addressed plenty of times, if you were actually interested in a proper discussion instead of trolling you would have seen that.

 

[skyshadow]

How did a helicopter maintanance garage was a part of the attack on Solemani? Besides, 2 bases were attacked, and a few sand dunes were also hit, was the extra base a part of the attack, or the sand dunes? Your attack was fruitless, and the base became opertational within a day, and it could still host operations even during the attack.

Those targets were empty, served no real importance for the bases operations, and had nothing to do with the attack on Soleimani.

Don't give yourself credit for the American intelligence achievements. Why would you warn the Americans where you will strike?

how hitting few warehouses going to stop Iran from building missile in other countries?? they all have a massage Iran got the message and now its building them underground, now we have to see if US gets the message. you need to know that replacing Soleimani is easy the why he was always traveling around IRGC is not a group that has only one leader or one headquarter no, they work like a government they build structures and they have universities that train new generals and soldiers they learn as they go so the next general that comes to play will pick up where general Soleimani left off just like Tehrani Moghadam death after the incident other scientists pick up where they left off and there work is on going to this day, science does not get destroyed but people do and other people will replace them, yes there could be a year or two of setbacks but things will go on just look at the headline below things is going as planed as people say "they can shot one man but nothing will stop the planes".


EsmaiI Qaani: New 'shadow commander' of Iran's Quds Force

 

[Beny Karachun]

These comments have already been addressed plenty of times, if you were actually interested in a proper discussion instead of trolling you would have seen that.

No, they weren't addressed.

 

[Philosopher]

No, they weren't addressed.

Obviously not for someone who is looking only to troll. For members interested in proper discussions, there have been ample threads running on this topic where all these issues were addressed by many, including me. So yes, let's not pretend as if you're interested in anything other than trolling. You've demonstrated that here perfectly.

 

[islamrules2020]

very strong military indeed, Turkey will play a major role in the next great war, but still I can't tell weather Turkey will be on the side of Islam or on the other side, all depends on the Turkish people