TAI HÜRKUŞ (Basic Trainer / COIN Aircraft)

[Casus Belli]

 

[Worf]

At last, I thought the first flight was not going to happen for a while.

 

[Zarvan]

Countdown For HURKUS Started,
'Hürku


According to the information given by SHGM(Directorate General of Civil Aviation), aircraft still on the runway in Ankara Akinci Air Base runway holding tests, various runway speed tests, wheel steering and braking time is being tested. If the tests conducted by the European Aviation Safety Agency EASA and SHGM(Directorate General of Civil Aviation) are positive, Hürkuş will be allowed for the first flight. After the first flight the process is expected to take approximately one and a half years. TAI In this process will produced four test aircraft as a prototype. Through the sensors located at 600 point of the plane, behavior of the plane can be followed moment by moment by the Tai engineers.
'Hürku

For GOD sake I can't understand why Turkey to this date hasn't designed at least one fighter jet on its own and produced in country

 

[Baykuş]

For GOD sake I can't understand why Turkey to this date hasn't designed at least one fighter jet on its own and produced in country

We have been busy fighting each other internally because of different political ideologies and such, besides that - AFAIK - we never have had the resources until now.

 

[LegionnairE]

I think we still don't have the resources to make a modern fighter completely on our own. Only R&D of an engine as sophisticated as the P&W F135 would take zillions of dollars.

We don't sacrifice armed forces capabilities for pure national pride. If it's more feasible to produce under licence for the amount of aircraft we have. Then we do so with a certain amount of national contribution but R&D is very expensive and very time consuming, it's not an easy decision to make.

If you don't have the resources for R&D ing a modern, efficient design and you insist on R&D then you have to settle for low-quality medicore products which is what countries like Iran are doing. We don't want that, our priorities are almost always in favor of the quality.

 

[Armstrong]

I think we still don't have the resources to make a modern fighter completely on our own. Only R&D of an engine as sophisticated as the P&W F135 would take zillions of dollars.

We don't sacrifice armed forces capabilities for pure national pride. If it's more feasible to produce under licence for the amount of aircraft we have. Then we do so with a certain amount of national contribution but R&D is very expensive and very time consuming, it's not an easy decision to make.

If you don't have the resources for R&D ing a modern, efficient design and you insist on R&D then you have to settle for low-quality medicore products which is what countries like Iran are doing. We don't want that, our priorities are almost always in favor of the quality.

Can't you enter into Joint-Ventures with organizations in the UK, France, German & amongst Scandinavian companies which are looking for customers & maybe amenable to grant greater transfer of technology than they would have otherwise in times when the European Economies were booming ?

I mean if the Indians can get TOT for Rafael, you guys are much more economically, socially & even politically integrated with different European countries !

Maybe even inciting one of them with probable orders (100 or 200 platforms) & in lieu of that getting R&D transferred to a Turkish partner for Saab or BAE to manufacture those platforms !

 

[T-123456]

Can't you enter into Joint-Ventures with organizations in the UK, France, German & amongst Scandinavian companies which are looking for customers & maybe amenable to grant greater transfer of technology than they would have otherwise in times when the European Economies were booming ?

I mean if the Indians can get TOT for Rafael, you guys are much more economically, socially & even politically integrated with different European countries !

Maybe even inciting one of them with probable orders (100 or 200 platforms) & in lieu of that getting R&D transferred to a Turkish partner for Saab or BAE to manufacture those platforms !

5th Gen?
There is only the US,Russia and China.
Take your pick.
Japan does it alone.
South-Korea,no deal.

 

[Armstrong]

5th Gen?
There is only the US,Russia and China.
Take your pick.
Japan does it alone.
South-Korea,no deal.

Starting with a high-end 4.5th Generation platform would be a better bet....let the F-35 take care of the 5th Generation needs of the TuAf !

The amount of learning the F-16s provided TAI was, I'm sure, invaluable but imagine how more TOT & perhaps partial JV in some areas of a proper 4.5th Generation platform like the Rafales, the Eurofighters or the Griphen NGs could provide !

Or even if you're not planning on going for another 4-4.5th Generation platform & would continue on with the F-16s perhaps JVs in some other areas - Avionics, ECM, Weapons etc. could be good learning for you guys now that you've got source codes for the F-16s - Maybe you could even come up with your own version of the F-16 Block 60 !

 

[LegionnairE]

If we were to maka a joint venture, first we'd need to make it for the engine. Then another joint venture possibly with another country to build the airframe around the engine... rest is already taken care of. Avionics, missiles, radars, we're capable of making them.

5. Gen. or not it still is a huge fvcking decision that is not to be taken lightly. Our standards are pretty fvcking high as we're looking into the possibility of building an aircraft that is technically superior to F35 as an air-superiority craft.

I think F22 still is the best of the best and I think that TF-X must be designed to compete with it. Suffice to say it's not an easy task.

 

[T-123456]

Starting with a high-end 4.5th Generation platform would be a better bet....let the F-35 take care of the 5th Generation needs of the TuAf !

The amount of learning the F-16s provided TAI was, I'm sure, invaluable but imagine how more TOT & perhaps partial JV in some areas of a proper 4.5th Generation platform like the Rafales, the Eurofighters or the Griphen NGs could provide !

Or even if you're not planning on going for another 4-4.5th Generation platform & would continue on with the F-16s perhaps JVs in some other areas - Avionics, ECM, Weapons etc. could be good learning for you guys now that you've got source codes for the F-16s - Maybe you could even come up with your own version of the F-16 Block 60 !

But isnt the goal to go forward instead of backward?
F-35 is 5th Gen,so either 5th gen or better should be the objective.
Its not a realistic project for the near future(10 years) but a start has to be made somewhere so why not now.
Btw,F-35 still under US controll we wont get the codes.

 

[Armstrong]

If we were to maka a joint venture, first we'd need to make it for the engine. Then another joint venture possibly with another country to build the airframe around the engine... rest is already taken care of. Avionics, missiles, radars, we're capable of making them.

No one is going to do that with you for metallurgy is the jealously guarded & that & only that is the toughest hindrance in building a high performance engine - Just ask the Chinese & to a lesser extent the Indians !

For the rest - There is always a chance for greater improvement !

But isnt the goal to go forward instead of backward?
F-35 is 5th Gen,so either 5th gen or better should be the objective.
Its not a realistic project for the near future(10 years) but a start has to be made somewhere so why not now.
Btw,F-35 still under US controll we wont get the codes.

How do you propose to possess the technical know-how that goes into making a 5th Generation Platform when you're unable to make, mind you, not assemble & partially manufacture, a 4th Generation platform ? TAI's experience with the F 16s, though invaluable, doesn't equip you with the ability to produce a newer 4th Generation platform & why ? Because you still lack the requisite technical know-how & skill for that.

 

[T-123456]

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[T-123456]

No one is going to do that with you for metallurgy is the jealously guarded & that & only that is the toughest hindrance in building a high performance engine - Just ask the Chinese & to a lesser extent the Indians !

For the rest - There is always a chance for greater improvement !



How do you propose to possess the technical know-how that goes into making a 5th Generation Platform when you're unable to make, mind you, not assemble & partially manufacture, a 4th Generation platform ? TAI's experience with the F 16s, though invaluable, doesn't equip you with the ability to produce a newer 4th Generation platform & why ? Because you still lack the requisite technical know-how & skill for that.

I said,you have to start somewhere.
Didnt say we have the know-how.
If you dont start with something somewhere,how are you ever going to achieve anything.
It can take 25 years or even more for all i care.

 

[T-123456]

Look at the JF-17,how did you do it?

 

[ozi2000]

Turkish first training aircraft Hürkuş made its maiden flight​

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Hürkuş, TAI’s Primary and Basic Trainer Aircraft (HÜRKU&#350 Development Program aircraft made its maiden flight in TAI facilities Kazan, Ankara today. The27 minute long flight was successfully accomplished. Turkey plans to have three versions of Hürkuş. First for civilian use, second for military training and last for military use with weapon pylon.

Design, development, prototype production and international certification via utilization of domestic facilities by the Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) of an original trainer that would meet Turkish Armed Forces’ future needs and take a share in the world trainer market, and constitution of Technical Data Package and Integrated Logistic Support infrastructure for these prototypes. The aircraft has been named HÜRKUŞ, in commemoration of Vecihi Hürkuş.

The Hürkuş contract has been signed on 15 March 2006 between Undersecretariat of Defence Industries (SSM) and TAI. The Program is constituted of 6 phases. In July 2006 Preliminary Definition Review, in December 2006 Conceptual Design Review, in August 2007 Preliminary Design Review and in April 2009 Critical Design Review phases have been accomplished.

Technical information about aircraft:

Maximum cruise speed : 574 km/h (310 KCAS)

Maximum altitude: 10577 m (34700 ft)

Maximum range (15,000 ft) : 1478 km

Engine: 1 x PT6A-68T Pratt & Whitney Canada turboprop aircraft engine

Engine power: 1,600 shp

Dimensions

Length: 11.17 m (36 ft 8 in)

Wing span: 9.96 m (32 ft 8 in)

Height: 3.70 m (12 ft 2 in)

Turkish first training aircraft Hürku

This video was out on 28th meaning maiden flight actually made on 28th to make sure It will not have any issue on the official day.!!!!!!!