Saudi Arabia wants to buy 600-800 Leopard tanks from Germany

[Shahin Vatani]

Open up a new thread in the Perian sub forum, Lets not discus this here.

You brought it up, I was talking about Saudi. Then you decided to troll and bring up Iran in response to me.

 

[VelocuR]

Our badass Al-Khalid

 

[Cheetah786]

I think they should co-operate with our Altay tanks aswell as in future nobody knows what germany will do , they might stop sale of parts

And help a Muslim country to Move ahead are you crazy

 

[Bubblegum Crisis]

Full ToT? I don't think so.

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I don't think they really should waste a lot of money on these, instead they should invest in R&D and other big projects.
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You guys should also consider in the near future to make a deal with our future Altay tanks.

Hope they come with domestic assembly and with some degree of TOT. Leopards will 'whip' Abrahams or ANY other tank on the planet !

I think they should co-operate with our Altay tanks aswell as in future nobody knows what germany will do , they might stop sale of parts

I understood, the dessert issues. What benefits of this Leopard to meet Saudi expectation? what differences?

Come on Saudi should know better state of the art Israelis Merkava was destroyed easily in Lebanon war.

See all olds links :

http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...ee-f-15s-helicopters-more-11.html#post2917685

http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...ee-f-15s-helicopters-more-11.html#post2917691

http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...ee-f-15s-helicopters-more-11.html#post2920359

http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-forum/118240-leopard-2a7-saudi-arabia-3.html#post2997203

http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-forum/118240-leopard-2a7-saudi-arabia-3.html#post2997223

http://www.defence.pk/forums/turkey-defence/173846-altay-savunma-ve-havac-l-k-dergisi.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/turkey-defence/173846-altay-savunma-ve-havac-l-k-dergisi-2.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/turkey-defence/173846-altay-savunma-ve-havac-l-k-dergisi-3.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-photos-multimedia/157113-made-turkey-15.html#post3034147

 

[lem34]

And help a Muslim country to Move ahead are you crazy

you were thinking what I was lol

 

[Wright]

When you have money you want the best. The leo is top dog.
I also think they don't want Russian based tanks after seeing how easily Iraq went down in both wars. Also from seeing the Arab- Israeli wars.
An I think Iranian tanks are also Soviet based, which is perhaps why they went for the German one.

Anyhow good for them, they need to build up their army to counter Iranian agression.

 

[Shahin Vatani]

When you have money you want the best. The leo is top dog.

Good for them, they need to build up their army to counter Iranian agression.

Trust me Iran is not aggressive, we are very peaceful. If we wanted to be aggressive Saudi wouldn't be around anymore to tell the tale.

 

[Arabian Legend]

taking advantages of europe economical crisis is a good move by Prince Salman.

 

[lem34]

Guys can I ask any of you that is knowledgeable on tanks to tell us if Sauds could have done a similar deal with Pakistan and or Turkey?

 

[Sharki]

Trust me Iran is not aggressive, we are very peaceful. If we wanted to be aggressive Saudi wouldn't be around anymore to tell the tale.

Haaretz exclusive: Syria documents show Iran helping Assad to sidestep sanctions

Haaretz exclusive: Syria documents show Iran helping Assad to sidestep sanctions - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

Syrian army being aided by Iranian forces

Syrian army being aided by Iranian forces | World news | guardian.co.uk

 

[lem34]

@Raptor Al-Khalid does not meet saudi requirements for a heavy MBT with 7 wheels and 1500HP+ engine.

But they would not have this problem with Pakistan and or Turkey. They could use them how they want.:


Twice as deadly: Saudi Arabia aims at 10 bln euro tank deal with Germany

Published: 17 June, 2012, 10:50


Saudi Arabia wants to buy between 600 and 800 Leopard II main battle tanks from Germany, at least twice more than what was previously reported, a German newspaper says. The future deal is estimated to worth around 10 billion euros.

A German-Saudi contract for purchase of some 300 brand new modern tanks was on the table since at least last year. Hover the Gulf monarchy wants more hardware, Bild newspaper reports.

There is still resistance in the German federal government to selling military hardware to Saudis. Foreign Ministry and Defense Ministry both oppose it due to security and human rights considerations.

The Economy Ministry advocates the deal, which would give a boost to domestic defense producers Krauss-Maffei Wegman and Rheinmetall, especially as the demand for armor from the German army shrinks with its ongoing restructuring.

The initial contract for 300 tanks is already ready for signing, but still requires consent from a council of eight German ministers and the Federal Chancellor, who has to approve any export of military technology from the country. So far Germany was reluctant to sell heavy arms to the Gulf nations.

Bild says Spanish firm General Dynamic/Santa Barbara would produce the tanks under a license, if the deal is finally given the green light. Saudis would like to have it sealed before the holy month of Ramadan starts on July 20.

The first reports on a possible sell of hundreds of state-of-art German Leopard 2A7+ tanks surfaced in July 2011. The news caused criticism by rights groups and opposition politicians in Germany, who were discontent that German arms would be supplied to a country with poor human rights record. They said Saudi Arabia may the tanks, which are tailored for desert and urban warfare, to quash domestic dissent.

When mass pro-democratic protests erupted in Bahrain last year, Saudi Arabia sent its troops to help local security forces in a crackdown on the Bahraini opposition. The two monarchies are currently considering forming a closer political alliance.


Twice as deadly: Saudi Arabia aims at 10 bln euro tank deal with Germany — RT



To add insult to injury they make money and they tell you they are doing you a favour lol

I think they should co-operate with our Altay tanks aswell as in future nobody knows what germany will do , they might stop sale of parts

I agree with you 1000%

 

[Shahin Vatani]

Haaretz exclusive: Syria documents show Iran helping Assad to sidestep sanctions

Haaretz exclusive: Syria documents show Iran helping Assad to sidestep sanctions - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

Syrian army being aided by Iranian forces

Syrian army being aided by Iranian forces | World news | guardian.co.uk

So what? Syria is our ally, what has that got to do with us being aggressive to Saudi Arabia?

 

[lem34]

I would love to see rather Saudified Al-Khalid (Proven Tank good in Desert!) or Saudified Altay Tank. I say lets not be dependent on the west but rather buy from each other. Pakistan has a very good cost-effective defence industry and Turkey has the goodies.

maybe we could have done a deal three ways between Pakistan Turkey and Saud. The west often do joint ventures on weapons and pool costs together etc

 

[BordoEnes]

maybe we could have done a deal three ways between Pakistan Turkey and Saud. The west often do joint ventures on weapons and pool costs together etc

Would be a dream come true, Dont think thats ever done.

 

[Armstrong]

Guys can I ask any of you that is knowledgeable on tanks to tell us if Sauds could have done a similar deal with Pakistan and or Turkey?

I haven't a clue about Tanks but in the Al-Khalid Information Pool thread, Antibody had posted an interesting article on this :

BTW, received this interesting Article from SomeBozo regarding the Saudi deal for Al-Khalids, the evaluation/testing of the tank and its overall performance:


ISLAMABAD, Pakistan: (PNS) - A 23-member Royal Saudi Land Forces evaluation team headed by Maj Gen Ahmed Bin Saeed Al-Shehri visited Pakistan for evaluation of indigenously manufactured products of Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT).

The evaluation team was warmly welcomed by the Chairman HIT, who gave them an exhaustive briefing on the capability of HIT and its potential for marketing sophisticated weapon systems suiting the dictates of modern warfare.

The Saudi team showed keen interest in state-of-the-art and pride of Pakistan Armour, Al-Khalid tank and APC Saad, and carried out intensive in-house technical evaluation and trials.

During the arduous trials under most inhospitable environments, the roaring Al-Khalid, a marvel of tank technology performed astoundingly well. It is for the first time that a Main Battle tank (Al-Khalid) attained 100% hits at a distance of 4,000 meters and set an unprecedented record in tank technology.

Al-Khalid also fired while moving, on a moving target at various ranges upto a distance of 3,000 meters and achieved 100% results. The lethality and accuracy of the weapon stations of Al-Khalid, its high power to weight ratio and manoeuvrability demonstrated in the most hostile terrain speaks volumes of its agility and combat capability to challenge any tank of the world.

Saudi Master Gunner, Subedar Major Yahya Bin Ahmed Atif achieved the rare feat of hitting a bulls eye at extreme ranges with 100% accuracy and achieved record firing results with a few days training only, indicative of user friendliness of Tank Al-Khalid.

The delegation was highly impressed with the performance of tank Al-Khalid and APC Saad during arduous trials. The new generation, APC Saad of Pakistan Armed forces has also been totally manufactured in Pakistan with a vision to meet the demands of 21st century battlefield.

Pakistan is rightfully proud of its engineers and technicians who envisioned, designed and manufactured such combat multipliers, giving its Armed Forces the power punch and capability to face any challenge to its national security.

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