Sugarcane
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Am I? Bashing people?
I apologize for my wordings (After all english is not my mother tongue) - "You" in my post was not you as person but part of society on other extreme.
Look what it did.. it got you thinking. Two posts ago you were hesitant on the aspect of bashing the common mans decisions and its outcomes.. and look.. now you are following the same thought process of looking into the whys of the common man's decision...that worked out well in my view.
My post was not in approval of common man but to point out the hypocrisy which exists in our society - On one hand we bash common people for their choice on other hand we allude them for their choice of accepting a decision of making new country. On very same forum - i was labeled as worst than enemies of Pakistan, justification was that even they don't talk in this way.
Do you agree that the common man wishes to talk and hug the terrorists? After all, it is their elected who are taking these steps...is then by process the common man not accountable for his decision? Are all supporters of PPP not accountable for their governments actions? Some would argue that with elections still rigged this is not the representation of the common man or you or me; but then is it not essentially our own fault that we do not ask for our rights? Hence, are we not as common men responsible for our own fates to be led like sheep to the wolves? analogically.. are we not as common men responsible for tolerating leadership and elements in society that allow extremism to take root, allow both Saudi Arabia and Iran to finance a proxy war on our soil resulting in the death of Pakistanis for their games.. and still hold them favourably? Then, knowing these acts are occurring.. should I still identify myself with the common man who considers both of these nations innocent? Shall I not critique my fellow common man?
When the first martial was imposed on this country, justification was that democracy is unsuitable for a country with 15% literacy rate - Now figure out that on basis of very same democracy they got Pakistan. Probably the elite knew that it was bluff. Anyway - IMHO, In democratic system, people vote for manifesto of the party and wining party have mandate to implement that agenda. But this never happened in Pakistan or in united provinces (per-partition). Even today PTI was able to secure good position was not purely because of their manifesto but because of gross loot of PPP & friendly opposition tag of PMLN - you can disagree on this but that's reality. So, I don't think accusing common men is right when you have given them flawed system, they never was part of decision/policy making and was always fooled by elite.
And the reason I keep equating the common man with goats is simple.. Do you know that many Prophets were shepherds?
Could you get the reason for that? Its because goats have the same tendency.. to go in the opposite direction to where you push them, to suddenly break lines and then take others. So if they could have the patience to do that well, they could do the same to men.. in a balance of prodding, pushing , beating and calling.. you get them all to follow. These common men were swayed by people who acted as change agents.. the phenomenon of Prophets is different as it is both spiritual and divine and hence not bound by earthly laws, but the phenomenon of the Pakistan movement is based on these men using the balance of prodding, pushing and calling to enact the change process.All they needed was the 50.01% to get their change moving.. and most simply ended up following and reduced their resistance to change. And this play with the agency of change is what all me and Hyperion are doing as such.. willingly or unwillingly.
You have given nice example but your understanding is wrong - being Paindoo, I can tell you that goats go to opposite direction only if you use excessive force, you have to show them path and they will keep following, some try to go here and there and only those need to be prodded, pushed or beating because if you don't do that than others will follow. If you start pushing and beating all of them because few are going into wrong direction than you will not be able to control them and loose all of them. That's why no Prophet used the method of prodding, pushing or beating --- they guided people to right path, previous crimes/mistakes were forgiven and punishments were given to only to those who did misdeeds again to prevent others following them.
Now, to the point of view that we are putting across is.. where does one draw the line between a favourable view of Saudi Arabia..and a worshipping role to them. Hence, is the favourable view based on the point you put across as for "Islamic" purposes or is it truly based on equal job opportunities, equality in workforce and general "helpful" view of Saudis in Pakistani society.
The same goes for many people who heap praises on western societies in Pakistan.. are these views based on just their performance as a society or more rooted in psychological aspects of identity and belonging.
The problem with our society is that our liberal class go to extreme while putting their views and i don't see any difference between them and nut case mullah. Same is here, some who are in favor go to extreme that they don't see any problem in KSA and other go to extreme that they call everybody who have favorable view as worshiper of them.
If you go and personally meet the people and ask their views than you will know that their are many reasons for this favorable of view
1) Their Prophet was Arab and their holy places are in Arabia -- You can guess the level of emotional attachments for this point is that they can can even give their lives and you know when you are in Love of something you ignore all other things - that's universal human psychology.
2) You must realize that they haven't heard about wrong deeds of Arabs (except Kufar of early Islamic era) as your text books portray all Arabs & Muslim invaders as angels, they are indoctrinated in a way that they think they were either part of incoming armies or was being oppressed by Hindus (as they were Muslims at that time) - Keep in mind these books & history was written by educated people.
3) They get frequent dose that Arabs are supporting Pakistan with Oil & Dirhams, They funded nuclear program --- Now you want them become namak haram all of sudden lol
4) Mullahs portray their system as 100% Islamic and to support that they say, see it's almost crime free --- And you can't deny that whatever the system is KSA is heaven when you compare it with Pakistan from crime POV
So, Paray tell me why they shouldn't have favorable view or idealize KSA? On top of that when they see people from extreme left wing abusing/bashing their believes they go further right and people like me who are in between they are confused where to go, they don't want to abandon their religion and become westerner neither they want to become Taliban and i am afraid in long run it will create more chaos as these people will be forced to choose one side and whatever extreme they will go will lead to destruction. You are doing right thing sir but you are doing it wrong.
Frankly --- anyone who think that this favorable views is something to do with working condition and living standard in KSA needs to go out of their circle and try to understand 95% of Pakistan.