Pakistan will launch a two-seater version of JF-17 - Induction of JF-17B in 2017

[Deino]

Ok guys ... as usual beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

It's so damn ugly

Sorry ...

Deino

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On a scale from 1-10 it's about a 5.5

 

[DJ_Viper]

It's so damn ugly

Sorry ...

Deino

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It is, sorry! Because the plane is so small itself that they had to cram another pilot in, and build redundant flight controls in within such a limited space. Its pretty obvious that they didn't want to make any modifications to the design so they tried to add the second seat and "make do", quickly and cheaply.

 

[HRK]

-Am I the only one who thinks it doesn't look bad at all ?

- Secondly, (if you think it looks bad/ ugly)do looks really matter if your investment is paying off ?

-Thirdly, it would be very interesting to know if the specifications of the aircraft(especially with respect to load carrying capabilities) differ compared to the JF-17A, because the rumors were that, in addition to training, it can also function as a dedicated strike platform?

-Lastly, it would be very interesting to see how many JF-17B's are inducted in the PAF, considering the initial reports stated that the aircraft is very easy to learn.

http://www.avic.com/en/forbusiness/militaryaviationanddefense/fighters/394348.shtml

 

[Dungeness]

It's so damn ugly

Sorry ...

Deino

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I agree. It looks way too "fat". I am really disappointed with CF.

 

[hunter_hunted]

it's fat as obese american , design is supposed to be one of key selling point . Spine should look like F-16s

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

JF-17B def looks better than this thing

 

[Akasa]

There is no easy way to modify a single-seat design into a tandem one, especially with an airframe that was never designed to accommodate two seater variants in the first place. Now that it's built, the next logical step would be to hasten the installation of an AESA radar.

 

[Zarvan]

There is no easy way to modify a single-seat design into a tandem one, especially with an airframe that was never designed to accommodate two seater variants in the first place. Now that it's built, the next logical step would be to hasten the installation of an AESA radar.

We need to develop BLOCK III first but also AESA has to be developed for BLOCK I and II and this JF-17 B

 

[Dazzler]

it's fat as obese american , design is supposed to be one of key selling point . Spine should look like F-16s

Aircraft design is more about fulfilling requirements than moving booty on the ramp. The B model is clearly influenced by PAF's approach of squeezing maximum out of everything. The side mounted canopy shouts "save some space" all too loud. The bulkier spine is to add as much fuel and avionics as possible. Trim down the spine and youll lose range. Comparing it with the f-16 is not justified, as the falcon already enjoys more range, and CFTs only help its cause. In blk 52, the spine is solely meant to add more avionics and EW equipment, thats it.

See this baby?

it is easily the ugliest thing in the sky, but it is the first to enter and last to leave the battlefield and can wreak havoc on enemy assets, radars and other infrastructure and serves as a crucial asset in US Naval Aviation's arsenal.

 

[帅的一匹]

The Max payload has increase from JF17's 3600KG to JF17B's 4500KG, it has to be bulky.

look shit...this is called "Designer failure" at the initial stage. Clearly evident that the designers never thought about the future when the aircraft turns into dual. Design is an art and Americans did PHD in weapons design, looks and aerodynamic features.

This one is designed according to PAF's requirement, so........

 

[Maxpane]

The Max payload has increase from JF17's 3600KG to JF17B's 4500KG, it has to be bulky.


This one is designed according to PAF's requirement, so........

but on official site it is 3600 kg

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

The only fighters which were designed from scratch as 2 seaters look aerodynamically & aesthetically pleasing.

Like the
F-15
F-14
F-4 Phantom

 

[CriticalThought]

It is, sorry! Because the plane is so small itself that they had to cram another pilot in, and build redundant flight controls in within such a limited space. Its pretty obvious that they didn't want to make any modifications to the design so they tried to add the second seat and "make do", quickly and cheaply.

There is nothing which and cheap about it. As lot if thought had obviously gone into optimizing aerodynamically. As an example, that thicker spine ensures a smoother surface transition from the thicker end of the canopy. The protruding nose could be a prototype thing that gets dropped in production.

What is slightly problematic is that the canopy doesnt allow for looking around towards the back.

Finally, PAF will be providing it's feedback after flying so let's see what the final design is. The nose was supposed to be larger to accommodate AESA so I am a bit confused.

Aircraft design is more about fulfilling requirements than moving booty on the ramp. The B model is clearly influenced by PAF's approach of squeezing maximum out of everything. The side mounted canopy shouts "save some space" all too loud. The bulkier spine is to add as much fuel and avionics as possible. Trim down the spine and youll lose range. Comparing it with the f-16 is not justified, as the falcon already enjoys more range, and CFTs only help its cause. In blk 52, the spine is solely meant to add more avionics and EW equipment, thats it.

See this baby?

it is easily the ugliest thing in the sky, but it is the first to enter and last to leave the battlefield and can wreak havoc on enemy assets, radars and other infrastructure and serves as a crucial asset in US Naval Aviation's arsenal.

Google shock area rule to understand the thicker spine

 

[帅的一匹]

I mean they can make it longer to dilute its eyeball effect of builky?

but on official site it is 3600 kg

I read the Chinese source on the China.com that it can carry 4500KG payload.

It looks little bit podgy............

As Yang wei Leave CAC, the step-up desginer is definitely a aesthetic tomb.

As long as PAF has no problem with this dual seater, i think its still within the original expectation. Cause witout PAF's confirmation, they won't build it.

JF17B is only for pilotes traning puropose, we don't have to put too much emphsis on it. we are lookg foward to BLK3.