PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[mudas777]

This year 23 March will be some sight to remember with new JF-17 block 3 and J -10C appearing in the Pakistani colours. Probably at last a message to the US too, F 16 darlings refusal opened the other doors for us. Final nail in the coffin will be if Zulu's replacement shows up from no where, imagine the sight of the US military attaché face with open mouth saying F**k me and glass of sherbet falling off his hand. .

 

[siegecrossbow]

I get that but I was asking on the lines since PAF has participated with and against the likes of F-22. Considering the relationship between the two sides I was curious to know if we ever participated against the J-20 or in conjunction against mutual threats.

Red Flag is very different from Shaheen. But to answer your question, I don't believe so. Every year the inventory of aircraft used in Shaheen has been disclosed.

 

[Windjammer]

Don't want to jump to any conclusions but J-10 may not be the only thing happening.

 

[SD 10]

Yes let us worry about that. I'm so worried about CAC's production capacity.

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their whole purpose is creating doubt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PAF ka F16 ka junoon

Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un

SHUKAR AL HAMDULILAH

 

[serenity]

Yes let us worry about that. I'm so worried about CAC's production capacity.

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I would rather China keep all the J-10C made. We only have around 500 J-10 in total and around half are J-10A. Ideally PLAAF should have 500 J-10C.

Now the important question is how much the unit price sold is and package price.

 

[Basel]

It is not just about the Missile(s) but the SPECTRA suite on Rafale which sets the French jets apart from most competition. With SPECTRA, the Jets virtually become stealth and do not appear on enemy sensors.

It's not know how that system will perform against AESA radars as they are very difficult to spoof or jam.

Which unit is expected to get them first?

Most probably No 15 Squadron.

 

[ARMalik]

OLD News. This was reported more than a YEAR AGO by one of the X PDF members. He reported months ago that J-10s were being inducted. And that would make sense because if you have J-10s flying-past on March 23 then it means the jets have already been inducted.

 

[mudas777]

As for the F-16...
Has US (officially) rejected Sale to Pakistan?
Has Pakistan (officially) rejected the F-16?

They denied the sale and even from the Jordon transfer of F 16 is denied by the US state department. Officially there is no ban on the arms sale but unofficially they are not considering any sales or transfer of weapons especially big ticket items to us. Same goes for the Zulu's transfer of choppers were denied. US state department crossed all the limits to teach us a lesson that even Pakistan getting choppers from the Turkey they stopped the sale of engines for it, how petty. How clear you want the message to be regardless of having no arms sale ban on us.

 

[ziaulislam]

Sir, don't be so quick to jump the gun.

(For Years) people said that PAF rejected the J-10. And here we are today.

As for the F-16...
Has US (officially) rejected Sale to Pakistan?
Has Pakistan (officially) rejected the F-16?

Unless those two questions be answered, its a worthless debate, but as I mentioned earlier - as long as the senior Leadership of the PAF has the Viper at the back of their head(s) - the door will always remain open.

20 years ago china economy was smaller then india(current)

Alot has changed in 20 years
25 years ago china only had f7

J10 has gone through three major upgrades

 

[Zee-shaun]

 

[ziaulislam]

They denied the sale and even from the Jordon transfer of F 16 is denied by the US state department. Officially there is no ban on the arms sale but unofficially they are not considering any sales or transfer of weapons especially big ticket items to us. Same goes for the Zulu's transfer of choppers were denied. US state department crossed all the limits to teach us a lesson that even Pakistan getting choppers from the Turkey they stopped the sale of engines for it, how petty. How clear you want the message to be regardless of having no arms sale ban on us.

The turkey chopper sale was an indication that all western equipment sane pure european equipment transfer is dead

Why?
It has to do with sucessfull lobbying of india

Dont be surprised that 20 years from now india and china may become neutral and you may get a ban from china as well..!

Lesson here is self reliance or joint ventures WITH SIMILAR countries like ukrain turkey south africa. If u own part of IP then ban is less likely

 

[Shotgunner51]

I'm so worried about CAC's production capacity.

I am more worried about the slow production rate of WS-10C engine. You know PLAAF's own J-10C, J-11B (spares needed), J-16, J-16D (electronic fighters), PLAN's J-15A, J-15T (catapult version) ... all waiting for the same exact engine! Even the J-20 (which is supposed to use 18.5 tons class WS-15) is now slicing the already small pie. The shortage is compounded by the fact that China has not ordered a single unit of AL31 since 2017.

 

[siegecrossbow]

I would rather China keep all the J-10C made. We only have around 500 J-10 in total and around half are J-10A. Ideally PLAAF should have 500 J-10C.

Now the important question is how much the unit price sold is and package price.

Every J-10C sent to Pakistan is one less aircraft China has to maintain in Hotan.

 

[ziaulislam]

I am more worried about the slow production rate of WS-10C engine. You know PLAAF's own J-10C, J-11B (spares needed), J-16, J-16D (electronic fighters), PLAN's J-15A, J-15T (catapult version) ... all waiting for WS-10C! Even the J-20 (which is supposed to use 18.5 tons class WS-15) is now slicing the already small pie. The shortage is compounded by the fact that China has not ordered a single unit of AL31 since 2017.

Doubt 15-20 engines are going to be an issue
Its more about demand then production

 

[Trailer23]

They denied the sale

They never denied the Sale, they just said that we had to pay for them out of our own pocket. We didn't - that's our loss.

Lets try to stay on topic & carry this conversation elsewhere before we get a slap on the wrist by the Mods.