PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[redtom]

Yeah, more and more people in China do not belive in this "iron" things, the Chinese Government shouldn't share core military tecs to anyone in this world. Business is business, nothing more or less.

This is because China is more mature towards foreign countries. The Chinese view international relations more in terms of realism than idealism. Therefore, China will also share weapons technology for practical benefit, rather than banning proliferation with pacifist ideology. China, which in the past has been reluctant to take sides in regional conflicts, has clearly taken a position.

 

[Aesterix]

Actually India and China are not really threats to each other unless both sides want the other to be and act accordingly. We have himalayas between us. The only real close contact is Ladakh that is relatively more accessible than the real ranges of Himalayas because in Ladakh armor division and troops can actually still travel although extremely difficult.

Pakistan to China's geostrategic interest is simply in having more neutral to friendly nations we can work with. That is all. More overlapping interest and higher order friendship rather than the USA's "you must do this or else" kind of "friendship". That is all. This of course doesn't always go smoothly but the purpose is not to win this and gain a war buddy. When India and China went to war in 1962, Pakistan did nothing. When Pakistan and India were at war, China did nothing. No remaining side of the three will do much in real war when two are going at it. Pakistan being strong is good for China for another reason. So that the state and system that is friendly with China remains. That India does not take Pakistan hostage like the USA has taken Ukraine hostage. Minus of course the close ties that Ukraine and Russia traditionally have.

So no, Pakistan is not there for China to keep India down or to attack India for China. It is there as a means to reaching the Islamic world and to have geographic access too. It is there to have one more peoples and leadership who will hear our side of the story when every enemy will block their ears and shut their eyes from truth. A strong Pakistan means a Pakistan that is not going to fall to Indian influence and be lost as a friend to China. India one day may turn around and join the league of nations who are realistic, genuine despite western satanic propaganda, and while imperfect and have our heated disagreements, at least work towards our individual goods that do not come at the cost of others and then eventually work towards our common good. Enmity is a doomed philosophy. India right now is totally lost to Hindutva. Oh well. Time changes all things and the greatest evils that exist in the world hopefully will be removed. Almost all we hear and see (at least in English) are from deception. It has become even more clear with recent events.

India is more of a threat than average Chinese can understand.
Kashmir is a dispute between India and China too, same as it is between India and Pakistan.
Plus India is a commercial threat to China, as competitor in trade.
Not recognising a foe as a foe is a big mistake and just considering someone as friend, does not make them one.

 

[帅的一匹]

India is more of a threat than average Chinese can understand.
Kashmir is a dispute between India and China too, same as it is between India and Pakistan.
Plus India is a commercial threat to China, as competitor in trade.
Not recognising a foe as a foe is a big mistake and just considering someone as friend, does not make them one.

India is a threat to our national security, it always will be.

 

[White privilege]

....dragons coming home.

Dracarys....!!!

 

[Beast]

India is more of a threat than average Chinese can understand.
Kashmir is a dispute between India and China too, same as it is between India and Pakistan.
Plus India is a commercial threat to China, as competitor in trade.
Not recognising a foe as a foe is a big mistake and just considering someone as friend, does not make them one.

When Indian prove they are competent then we will take them more seriously. Under Chinese eye, they are merely some pathetic disoriented clowns. Look at their military, space project and media...

 

[serenity]

India is more of a threat than average Chinese can understand.
Kashmir is a dispute between India and China too, same as it is between India and Pakistan.
Plus India is a commercial threat to China, as competitor in trade.
Not recognising a foe as a foe is a big mistake and just considering someone as friend, does not make them one.

Competition is good. We will not shy away from competition. Indian cars compete with Chinese ones. May the better ones win ... same with all other things. You do not truly understand Chinese thinking. I know many think they know all and will say and claim xyz. Chinese saying is weak means loss and to be weak is to deserve loss. To not be able to compete means not good enough.

India is a geopolitical threat to China in the domain of sovereignty in Ladakh (namely Aksai Chin) and a political threat due to India's constant harassment of China in propaganda form. Basically in the form of constant accusation and condemnation without viewing itself in the mirror and considering their accusations or condemnations with reason or understanding even if the material is founded in half truths... which is not all the case when it comes to stuff Indians say about China and things related to China.

We are not USA. We do not think a competitor means we have to do evil things to them to slow them or to stop them or whatever. Despite our tensions with India, China's actions have so far been magnanimous. We haven't banned them from accessing investment or funding from China. We haven't banned them from material and products required for manufacturing certain things using rare earth materials and additives for fuel refinery and so on which we have for some American corporations. Clearly China considers USA as a far greater threat and evil than even RSS Hindutva India.

After all we did have over 4000 years of relative peace and stability despite Himalayan ranges and natural boundaries, we did have trade and access to each other. If India wants to give us commercial competition, I personally welcome it, may it be commercial, peaceful and give consumers and people better returns as commercial competition usually does.

If they insist on war path, that would be their partial doing too. It will be obliged. All China truly wants is to finish our development and once done, then secure our sovereignty and end our civil war. Even CCP's old civil woe foe KMT is more pro reunification with mainland China now to the point Taiwanese had to protest and riot to displace them and vote them out. Younger generations are MTV and hollywood... all about self worship and instagram. Same everywhere but they dislike mainland more than their elders who left mainland and countered CCP because they considered the masses too backwards and themselves as superior Chinese. It's sort of like India with caste but more to do with money than religious beliefs. Now those elderly and previous KMT are mostly pro mainland and already see in the mainland what they wanted China to be back in the 1940s and 1950s to 1970s when they left in waves.

We don't want to force our "rule of law" on others or our will and use the same carrot and stick method as USA. I think China is selfish in the way that we don't care as much about world domination as the Jew dominated western cabal does. We just care about middle kingdom lol. If we can help develop others in win win cases then sure. As long as they aren't a threat to us or plan on becoming one in future. I think tough lessons learned by China in 19th and 20th centuries.

From those lessons, our response isn't to become insecure of power and how things are but to know that weakness = death and to be weak is to deserve pain. It's more self punishment and self hate for losing a step and losing the path. May that mistake never be made again. Whatever the cost. During the rise of China's people after Communist party took the reigns and control, they have done right by us and we do right by ourselves. We witnessed and experienced what it's like to be weak. Maybe not as badly as Indians suffered but lessons learned. The price to pay during that period and till now still is some individual liberties. F*ck individual liberties. When you know what its like to really suffer you laugh at the nonsense the west talks about. Freedom this and democracy that. F*ck those devils and F*ck all those weaklings who cannot see past the obvious.

With India they're path seems to be Hindutva. Rather than bringing the heat to the Euros who raped killed pillaged them, they have set their sights on others who are their former fellow victims and constant current victims. That's weakness like the Hong Kong weaklings who buckle under Anglo glossy advertisements and propaganda. As long as we do right, it is all we can do and hope for. China's way and methods are often fraught with small blunders and mistakes and certainly we are imperfect but there is all the criticism leveled on us for those slight wrongs. That's all the devil does, make you entirely focused on one hand and one thing.

 

[帅的一匹]

Competition is good. We will not shy away from competition. Indian cars compete with Chinese ones. May the better ones win ... same with all other things. You do not truly understand Chinese thinking. I know many think they know all and will say and claim xyz. Chinese saying is weak means loss and to be weak is to deserve loss. To not be able to compete means not good enough.

India is a geopolitical threat to China in the domain of sovereignty in Ladakh (namely Aksai Chin) and a political threat due to India's constant harassment of China in propaganda form. Basically in the form of constant accusation and condemnation without viewing itself in the mirror and considering their accusations or condemnations with reason or understanding even if the material is founded in half truths... which is not all the case when it comes to stuff Indians say about China and things related to China.

We are not USA. We do not think a competitor means we have to do evil things to them to slow them or to stop them or whatever. Despite our tensions with India, China's actions have so far been magnanimous. We haven't banned them from accessing investment or funding from China. We haven't banned them from material and products required for manufacturing certain things using rare earth materials and additives for fuel refinery and so on which we have for some American corporations. Clearly China considers USA as a far greater threat and evil than even RSS Hindutva India.

After all we did have over 4000 years of relative peace and stability despite Himalayan ranges and natural boundaries, we did have trade and access to each other. If India wants to give us commercial competition, I personally welcome it, may it be commercial, peaceful and give consumers and people better returns as commercial competition usually does.

If they insist on war path, that would be their partial doing too. It will be obliged. All China truly wants is to finish our development and once done, then secure our sovereignty and end our civil war. Even CCP's old civil woe foe KMT is more pro reunification with mainland China now to the point Taiwanese had to protest and riot to displace them and vote them out. Younger generations are MTV and hollywood... all about self worship and instagram. Same everywhere but they dislike mainland more than their elders who left mainland and countered CCP because they considered the masses too backwards and themselves as superior Chinese. It's sort of like India with caste but more to do with money than religious beliefs. Now those elderly and previous KMT are mostly pro mainland and already see in the mainland what they wanted China to be back in the 1940s and 1950s to 1970s when they left in waves.

We don't want to force our "rule of law" on others or our will and use the same carrot and stick method as USA. I think China is selfish in the way that we don't care as much about world domination as the Jew dominated western cabal does. We just care about middle kingdom lol. If we can help develop others in win win cases then sure. As long as they aren't a threat to us or plan on becoming one in future. I think tough lessons learned by China in 19th and 20th centuries.

From those lessons, our response isn't to become insecure of power and how things are but to know that weakness = death and to be weak is to deserve pain. It's more self punishment and self hate for losing a step and losing the path. May that mistake never be made again. Whatever the cost. During the rise of China's people after Communist party took the reigns and control, they have done right by us and we do right by ourselves. We witnessed and experienced what it's like to be weak. Maybe not as badly as Indians suffered but lessons learned. The price to pay during that period and till now still is some individual liberties. F*ck individual liberties. When you know what its like to really suffer you laugh at the nonsense the west talks about. Freedom this and democracy that. F*ck those devils and F*ck all those weaklings who cannot see past the obvious.

With India they're path seems to be Hindutva. Rather than bringing the heat to the Euros who raped killed pillaged them, they have set their sights on others who are their former fellow victims and constant current victims. That's weakness like the Hong Kong weaklings who buckle under Anglo glossy advertisements and propaganda. As long as we do right, it is all we can do and hope for. China's way and methods are often fraught with small blunders and mistakes and certainly we are imperfect but there is all the criticism leveled on us for those slight wrongs. That's all the devil does, make you entirely focused on one hand and one thing.

What about south Tibet? India army still occupy our land, We can’t play nice with India.

Competition is good. We will not shy away from competition. Indian cars compete with Chinese ones. May the better ones win ... same with all other things. You do not truly understand Chinese thinking. I know many think they know all and will say and claim xyz. Chinese saying is weak means loss and to be weak is to deserve loss. To not be able to compete means not good enough.

India is a geopolitical threat to China in the domain of sovereignty in Ladakh (namely Aksai Chin) and a political threat due to India's constant harassment of China in propaganda form. Basically in the form of constant accusation and condemnation without viewing itself in the mirror and considering their accusations or condemnations with reason or understanding even if the material is founded in half truths... which is not all the case when it comes to stuff Indians say about China and things related to China.

We are not USA. We do not think a competitor means we have to do evil things to them to slow them or to stop them or whatever. Despite our tensions with India, China's actions have so far been magnanimous. We haven't banned them from accessing investment or funding from China. We haven't banned them from material and products required for manufacturing certain things using rare earth materials and additives for fuel refinery and so on which we have for some American corporations. Clearly China considers USA as a far greater threat and evil than even RSS Hindutva India.

After all we did have over 4000 years of relative peace and stability despite Himalayan ranges and natural boundaries, we did have trade and access to each other. If India wants to give us commercial competition, I personally welcome it, may it be commercial, peaceful and give consumers and people better returns as commercial competition usually does.

If they insist on war path, that would be their partial doing too. It will be obliged. All China truly wants is to finish our development and once done, then secure our sovereignty and end our civil war. Even CCP's old civil woe foe KMT is more pro reunification with mainland China now to the point Taiwanese had to protest and riot to displace them and vote them out. Younger generations are MTV and hollywood... all about self worship and instagram. Same everywhere but they dislike mainland more than their elders who left mainland and countered CCP because they considered the masses too backwards and themselves as superior Chinese. It's sort of like India with caste but more to do with money than religious beliefs. Now those elderly and previous KMT are mostly pro mainland and already see in the mainland what they wanted China to be back in the 1940s and 1950s to 1970s when they left in waves.

We don't want to force our "rule of law" on others or our will and use the same carrot and stick method as USA. I think China is selfish in the way that we don't care as much about world domination as the Jew dominated western cabal does. We just care about middle kingdom lol. If we can help develop others in win win cases then sure. As long as they aren't a threat to us or plan on becoming one in future. I think tough lessons learned by China in 19th and 20th centuries.

From those lessons, our response isn't to become insecure of power and how things are but to know that weakness = death and to be weak is to deserve pain. It's more self punishment and self hate for losing a step and losing the path. May that mistake never be made again. Whatever the cost. During the rise of China's people after Communist party took the reigns and control, they have done right by us and we do right by ourselves. We witnessed and experienced what it's like to be weak. Maybe not as badly as Indians suffered but lessons learned. The price to pay during that period and till now still is some individual liberties. F*ck individual liberties. When you know what its like to really suffer you laugh at the nonsense the west talks about. Freedom this and democracy that. F*ck those devils and F*ck all those weaklings who cannot see past the obvious.

With India they're path seems to be Hindutva. Rather than bringing the heat to the Euros who raped killed pillaged them, they have set their sights on others who are their former fellow victims and constant current victims. That's weakness like the Hong Kong weaklings who buckle under Anglo glossy advertisements and propaganda. As long as we do right, it is all we can do and hope for. China's way and methods are often fraught with small blunders and mistakes and certainly we are imperfect but there is all the criticism leveled on us for those slight wrongs. That's all the devil does, make you entirely focused on one hand and one thing.

What about south Tibet? India army still occupy our land, We can’t play nice with India.

When Indian prove they are competent then we will take them more seriously. Under Chinese eye, they are merely some pathetic disoriented clowns. Look at their military, space project and media...

1.2 billion of those disoriented clowns will be a huge threat to China any time, we should respond with iron fist every time they try to provoke.

 

[Beast]

What about south Tibet? India army still occupy our land, We can’t play nice with India.

I think we shall stop here.. Here is not the thread about such things. We shall talk about PAF J-10C or J-10 capabilities.

 

[ghazi52]

Aviation Art of Rehan Siraj .​

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My tribute to No 15 Squadron "Cobras", depicting their new aircraft, J-10C.
While a box formation of old aircrafts of 15 Sqn namely F-86, F-6, F-7P, and Mirage V can be seen in the background.
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[Aesterix]

I think we shall stop here.. Here is not the thread about such things. We shall talk about PAF J-10C or J-10 capabilities.

Agreed.........

 

[Deino]

Let's get ready for a new series of J10 pics from tomorrow onwards....dragons coming home.

Yes, as per my information too, they will be - if weather permits (that was the strange addition!) - transferred tomorrow.

 

[Air Wolf]

Nothing is free in this world and anyone who relies on other countries would always be facing some kind of carrot and stick.

It's quite evident you didn't understood at all. Who said anything about getting things for free? You think Pakistan is getting all this equipment for free from China?

It's the before/after arm twisting along with receiving the cost which is NOT acceptable.

 

[serenity]

What about south Tibet? India army still occupy our land, We can’t play nice with India.


What about south Tibet? India army still occupy our land, We can’t play nice with India.

1.2 billion of those disoriented clowns will be a huge threat to China any time, we should respond with iron fist every time they try to provoke.

We still occupy Aksai Chin. Nothing has changed in West Tibet. With South Tibet, we didn't control that land before until after making claim that Dalai Lama birth place whatever reasons. If India ceases claims on Aksai Chin, the Chinese claim in South Tibet may cease too. Consider that we claimed South Tibet land after India claimed Aksai Chin without reason (well with British reasoning) well in response we claimed South Tibet without reason from India.

1.2 billion clowns who may get violent and disrupt things beyond reason is indeed a threat. I give you that. It's up to Chinese leadership to weigh things and consider things. That's their job. May they find the better answers. My opinion is China should simply distance from india wherever possible. Respond only like we have. If they block Malacca Strait, respond harshly etc. Only ensure interests are not attacked. 1,2 billion even if ending up as total clowns, does not mean they can run over to China or do much. If they want war, be prepared and be strong. End them and make sure they know they have no aspirations for real victory as much as they tell themselves and fool themselves into believing so.

Our aim is to be above this. The real thing in the way is the thing in the way! not the things on the side and the guy trying to drag us back. If they grab your shirt, kick them down. China aims to rise above this stuff. Once progress and development completes, all things resolve. It's to look ahead and solve problems head rather than get bogged down and waste energy and resources working out how to keep those far below even further away as I feel is the implied thing here. India is a temporary distraction not the goal of the nation.

 

[FuturePAF]

An informative video on the systems of the J-10. Does his analysis seem correct? WS-10 has a max thrust of 140 kn.

Would the Arinc 429 bus interface allow the integration of foreign weapons systems?

 

[Aesterix]

An informative video on the systems of the J-10. Does his analysis seem correct?

I am a regular viewer of this channel. The guy is legit and knowledgeable. He is a degree holder in the subject.